Training Arms Twice Per Week

[Professor_X]

[quote]Alquemist wrote:

I believe if some people were to eat more (even if they are already eating to bulk), they would be able to train harder and find out just how far they can go without overtraining.[/quote]

There is no doubt about it. If I were to eat like some of the people on this site, I would have had to quit lifting while I was in school due to lack of progress. My food intake is what allowed me to gain muscle in spite of only getting about 4 hours of sleep a night or less and in spite of lifting 6 days a week.

It is like it hasn’t sunk in yet that some of these people may be “overtraining” because they are afraid to eat enough to avoid it in the first place.

[ab_power]

At the moment, even on off days for Arms, I’ll load up the ez-curl bar after I’m done the other muscle group and do a few sets of curls and skull crushers. It seems to be working well, the past 2-3 months.

[Cephalic_Carnage]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Alquemist wrote:

I believe if some people were to eat more (even if they are already eating to bulk), they would be able to train harder and find out just how far they can go without overtraining.

There is no doubt about it. If I were to eat like some of the people on this site, I would have had to quit lifting while I was in school due to lack of progress.

My food intake is what allowed me to gain muscle in spite of only getting about 4 hours of sleep a night or less and in spite of lifting 6 days a week.

It is like it hasn’t sunk in yet that some of these people may be “overtraining” because they are afraid to eat enough to avoid it in the first place.[/quote]

It’s no wonder that everyone now tries to present non-failure training as the holy grail of hypertrophy.

Due to the fact that people here eat about as much as a dieting 110 lb figure girl, the only kind of training that they can still perform without instantly dying from strain is a 15-30 minute
mobility+ general_warmup+ potentiation+ activation+whatever session,
followed by something that resembles what we used to do for warm-ups at the end of our very first year of lifting…

I bet my car that Brad Pitt eats more (and probably even trains harder, ha!) than 80% of the stickmen posting here…

[doubleh]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is stupid. Some of the best progress on my back came from us doing sets of pull ups just about every time we trained no matter what else we were training that day. According to some here, I should have “overtrained” and all progress should have come to a stop.

How many people here who cry about overtraining this much have actually gained significant amounts of muscle mass (as in, you are now pretty big when compared to OTHER WEIGHT LIFTERS) and also experienced being severely overtrained?

Why does it seem like it is usually the smaller guys who worry about this?

Unless you are simply doing something stupid like lifting for 5 hours a day, I think some of you underestimate your own body’s recovery ability as well as the importance of diet and sleep to allow you to deal with more training.

If you are eating so few calories due some fear of fat gain that training arms twice a week will destroy all progress, you may want to quit approaching this like a little girl and eat to grow.[/quote]

The guy is suggesting a program that hits his triceps hard 5 straight days a week. Unless he lifts with bare-bones volume and crap intensity, he will overtrain his triceps.

See my post above - not overtrain as in CNS fatugue, but he will not be able to recover properly from such a routine, at least for a while until some adaptation occurs.

Are you suggesting this is a good idea?

FYI - I am not one of the smaller guys either. I’ve been doing this for a while now.

[Professor_X]

[quote]doubleh wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is stupid. Some of the best progress on my back came from us doing sets of pull ups just about every time we trained no matter what else we were training that day. According to some here, I should have “overtrained” and all progress should have come to a stop.

How many people here who cry about overtraining this much have actually gained significant amounts of muscle mass (as in, you are now pretty big when compared to OTHER WEIGHT LIFTERS) and also experienced being severely overtrained?

Why does it seem like it is usually the smaller guys who worry about this?

Unless you are simply doing something stupid like lifting for 5 hours a day, I think some of you underestimate your own body’s recovery ability as well as the importance of diet and sleep to allow you to deal with more training.

If you are eating so few calories due some fear of fat gain that training arms twice a week will destroy all progress, you may want to quit approaching this like a little girl and eat to grow.

The guy is suggesting a program that hits his triceps hard 5 straight days a week. Unless he lifts with bare-bones volume and crap intensity, he will overtrain his triceps.

See my post above - not overtrain as in CNS fatugue, but he will not be able to recover properly from such a routine, at least for a while until some adaptation occurs.

Are you suggesting this is a good idea?

FYI - I am not one of the smaller guys either. I’ve been doing this for a while now.
[/quote]

I am suggesting that making blanket statements about what EVERYONE won’t recover from is pretty ill-informed. What works for me may not work for someone else. I may be able to get away with training shoulders 3 times a week.

Someone else may not. the one thing we need to be moving away from is the idea that you can PREDICT what someone else is going to respond well to.

What will determine if this program works for him…IS IF IT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS FOR HIM.

[Cephalic_Carnage]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
doubleh wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is stupid. Some of the best progress on my back came from us doing sets of pull ups just about every time we trained no matter what else we were training that day. According to some here, I should have “overtrained” and all progress should have come to a stop.

How many people here who cry about overtraining this much have actually gained significant amounts of muscle mass (as in, you are now pretty big when compared to OTHER WEIGHT LIFTERS) and also experienced being severely overtrained?

Why does it seem like it is usually the smaller guys who worry about this?

Unless you are simply doing something stupid like lifting for 5 hours a day, I think some of you underestimate your own body’s recovery ability as well as the importance of diet and sleep to allow you to deal with more training.

If you are eating so few calories due some fear of fat gain that training arms twice a week will destroy all progress, you may want to quit approaching this like a little girl and eat to grow.

The guy is suggesting a program that hits his triceps hard 5 straight days a week. Unless he lifts with bare-bones volume and crap intensity, he will overtrain his triceps.

See my post above - not overtrain as in CNS fatugue, but he will not be able to recover properly from such a routine, at least for a while until some adaptation occurs.

Are you suggesting this is a good idea?

FYI - I am not one of the smaller guys either. I’ve been doing this for a while now.

I am suggesting that making blanket statements about what EVERYONE won’t recover from is pretty ill-informed. What works for me may not work for someone else.

I may be able to get away with training shoulders 3 times a week. Someone else may not. the one thing we need to be moving away from is the idea that you can PREDICT what someone else is going to respond well to.

What will determine if this program works for him…IS IF IT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS FOR HIM.[/quote]

Nah, you’re so yesteryear.

We got all the k3wl interweb coaches who can tell us what the best way to get big is (the best way this month, that is), so why not just ask them and accept their word as gospel…

[doubleh]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
doubleh wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is stupid. Some of the best progress on my back came from us doing sets of pull ups just about every time we trained no matter what else we were training that day. According to some here, I should have “overtrained” and all progress should have come to a stop.

How many people here who cry about overtraining this much have actually gained significant amounts of muscle mass (as in, you are now pretty big when compared to OTHER WEIGHT LIFTERS) and also experienced being severely overtrained?

Why does it seem like it is usually the smaller guys who worry about this?

Unless you are simply doing something stupid like lifting for 5 hours a day, I think some of you underestimate your own body’s recovery ability as well as the importance of diet and sleep to allow you to deal with more training.

If you are eating so few calories due some fear of fat gain that training arms twice a week will destroy all progress, you may want to quit approaching this like a little girl and eat to grow.

The guy is suggesting a program that hits his triceps hard 5 straight days a week. Unless he lifts with bare-bones volume and crap intensity, he will overtrain his triceps.

See my post above - not overtrain as in CNS fatugue, but he will not be able to recover properly from such a routine, at least for a while until some adaptation occurs.

Are you suggesting this is a good idea?

FYI - I am not one of the smaller guys either. I’ve been doing this for a while now.

I am suggesting that making blanket statements about what EVERYONE won’t recover from is pretty ill-informed. What works for me may not work for someone else. I may be able to get away with training shoulders 3 times a week.

Someone else may not. the one thing we need to be moving away from is the idea that you can PREDICT what someone else is going to respond well to.

What will determine if this program works for him…IS IF IT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS FOR HIM.[/quote]

OK, I’ll play along. Do you think the program he suggested, blasting his tris 5 days straight every week, is a good idea FOR ANYONE?

EDIT - and if so, whom (in a general sense)?

[Professor_X]

[quote]doubleh wrote:

OK, I’ll play along. Do you think the program he suggested, blasting his tris 5 days straight every week, is a good idea FOR ANYONE?

EDIT - and if so, whom (in a general sense)?[/quote]

I think Total Body programs SUCK for bodybuilding goals and have said so many times. I would NEVER recommend that someone train that way if their goal is to actually end up gaining an ‘extreme’ (or at least well above average) level of lean body mass.

With that said, I still have to admit that it just may work well for someone out there regardless…I just know most of the really big guys didn’t get that way from Total body workouts.

Aside from that, one of the failures of total body training is the neglect of isolated muscle groups. It makes no sense to avoid training muscle groups directly unless you are already genetically gifted in those areas and aren’t trying to gain much size.

Finally, “blasting his triceps 5 days straight” implies he is actually training them directly. That is not the case here and you are referring to overlap as the triceps assist in other areas of training. There is a huge difference between the two.

Whether this will work for him is yet to be seen and making statements as if it simply can not work for anyone is what has led to so many newbies being afraid to EVER simply try shit themselves and see if it fucking works through trial and error.

No matter what, he will learn more by doing than he will by you insisting what is possible or impossible for someone else.

[doubleh]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
doubleh wrote:

OK, I’ll play along. Do you think the program he suggested, blasting his tris 5 days straight every week, is a good idea FOR ANYONE?

EDIT - and if so, whom (in a general sense)?

I think Total Body programs SUCK for bodybuilding goals and have said so many times. I would NEVER recommend that someone train that way if their goal is to actually end up gaining an ‘extreme’ (or at least well above average) level of lean body mass.

With that said, I still have to admit that it just may work well for someone out there regardless…I just know most of the really big guys didn’t get that way from Total body workouts.[/quote]

Well, I agree.

Aside from that, one of the failures of total body training is the neglect of isolated muscle groups. It makes no sense to avoid training muscle groups directly unless you are already genetically gifted in those areas and aren’t trying to gain much size.

Again, I agree.

Finally, “blasting his triceps 5 days straight” implies he is actually training them directly. That is not the case here and you are referring to overlap as the triceps assist in other areas of training. There is a huge difference between the two.

Here’s where I disagree. Heavy benching might, in and of itself, be enough to fatigue the triceps. Throw in dips, where depending on form triceps could be more stressed more then the pecs, and you’ll definitely be hitting your tris hard.

One surely could set up a split this way, chest and arms on back-to-back days, IF you have rest days built in. But come on, there is NO rest in there. I’ve NEVER heard of anyone doing something like this. Have you?

As I mentioned before, if tris could routinely recover from such a beating, wouldn’t someone have figured this out by now?

Whether this will work for him is yet to be seen and making statements as if it simply can not work for anyone is what has led to so many newbies being afraid to EVER simply try shit themselves and see if it fucking works through trial and error.

I’m sorry, I still stand by my belief that this will not work for any extended period of time. For him, for anyone. This isn’t rocket science. Muscles that get broken down need time to recover.

The only qualifier I threw out there was unless he was doing bare-bones volume with minimal intensity - but then again, why bother in the first place?

I don’t think you’d ever use a split like this, nor recommend it to anyone else. That may be the best proof of all.

No matter what, he will learn more by doing than he will by you insisting what is possible or impossible for someone else.

True - but what he will quickly learn is, you can’t train the same muscle 5 days in a row every damn week for any decent length of time. I am trying to save him a future halt in progress.