Training ADD and mental Blocks

I want to answer this in specific because it may explain better my situation.

  1. What are my goals?

My major goal is to compete in powerlifting. But to become strong I got to become more muscular, but to become more muscular I need to lose weight first because I’m fat right now. So I don’t what’s my specific goal.

Are my goals realistic?

Yes, one at a time, but not all at the same time. (I think)

  1. Has this program been used by others to achieve the goals I am seeking?

Then I go back to the idea that every training program works for someone. I still don’t know what works for me specific. Because a lot of things worked on making me stronger or bigger, but none worked at making me keep trilled to stay on the program.

So compete in powerlifting. Seriously. Sign up for a competition/pay, today. Nothing focuses your training better than having an actual goal on an actual timetable.

No one really cares how strong/weak you are, they are much too worried about their own performance. I bombed my first strongman competition - came in like 20lbs too light and zeroed or came in last in all but one event. Everyone was supportive, and I had a great time.

And you can choose your weights in powerlifting whereas many times in other strength sports the weights are chosen for you, so as long as you can at least bench/squat/deadlift the bar, you’re good to go.

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That’s what I want the most to do. But I really can’t. I quit my job and I’m awaiting for my visa to move to Portugal. It should had been issued until yesterday. So at any moment I’ll have to take my bag and move.

Is this on his site? I’m kind of curious, because I always saw CT as more of a progression guy. Meadows was the all over the place programs (apparently I have some squirrel brain too!).

Yes, on Thibarmy. It is on here, too, linked below. There were also three free programs, here and Thibarmy: bodybuilding, powerlifting, and athletic development.

With the pendulum approach, iirc, you’d see the same workouts every fifth week.

He also released a series of pendulum programs for purchase. I have no experience with those.

Probably a fair description. He does include a variety of progressions with weight/reps/tempo/sets and intensification methods. For example, progress may mean keeping weight and reps the same, lengthening the eccentric by two seconds, and adding a set.

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I took a redeye last night and went on an article-reading marathon after you sent that… great recommendation! These look like incredible options for those of us that are going to change things up all the time anyway. Go ahead and lean into it like @T3hPwnisher and @FlatsFarmer wede saying.

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Must admit, Pendulum Training looks interesting. Must have missed it when first released. I’ve predominantly used full-body training so I’m curious what splits are your favorites? @FlatsFarmer @Brant_Drake @T3hPwnisher @barley1 @TrainForPain @Njord
Think that covers everyone in this thread.

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Right now I’m loving Push/Pull/Legs + Arm Day.

Layout is pretty standard, “Main Lift” with 2-4 assistance lifts.

And I’ve been rotating through different “special” methods for the assistance work each month. Stuff like

1 minute timed sets

Slow eccentrics

All single arm/single leg moves

Drop sets

Post Exhaust super sets, where a set of one of the assistance moves is done right after each set of the main lift

Post set stretches

For the last couple of years I’ve been enjoying Westside Conjugate. It roughly translates to an upper/lower split with some upper back supplemental work on “lower” days occasionally.

It’s designed for powerlifting and the supplemental lifts are geared to improving sticking points on the big three but could easily be manipulated as a power building program with different accessory selections.

In the past I’ve had great hypertrophy and strength results with Layne Nortons PHAT routine

Muscle & Strengths PHUL has been good to be as well.

All three offer varying intensities and volumes, but conjugate training is most advanced and has the most variation built in.

I personally prefer programs that make it easy to track progress. I like concrete goals. Pendulum style training, Thib’s muscle confusion plan, for me doesn’t work because if I’m constantly changing then I don’t have anything to measure against and it bugs me out. I hate the RPE and RIR stuff too. Ask me on a Monday morning vs a Thursday afternoon.

I do like the built in variety Conjugate programs offer via varying intensities, modalities and supplemental / accessory selection while still keeping a regular check on progress for the main lifts, and using percentage based measurements to track. By design, Louise Simmons made it a mix of multiple styles contained within a measurably progressive format, and you don’t stall out like you would on most splits.

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That was, like, 20 years ago

Me, too. Running Thib’s Jacked Athlete 31, atm.

I’m not a powerlifter and don’t know much about Westside training. Don’t you do max effort, strength skill, speed, and hypertrophy/assistance work all in the same week?

I understood Pendulum training–at least the powerlifting version-- to devote an entire week to each element, rather than a day during each training week, if that makes sense.

You find a training max–one big lift per day–over one week, do a percentage-based volume workout the next week, then do speed/ballistic lifts the next. Irrc, this is bookended with two hypertrophy weeks. To begin the next Pendulum, you retest your max and repeat the process.

It struck me as a interesting approach to getting stronger.

I’ve been experimenting with incorporating a bunch of conjugate principles into my training in the past month and it’s honestly been one of the best things I’ve ever done as far as programming to beat plateaus, fatigue, and feeling stale. Being able to change variations every workout or ride with an exercise for two or three weeks to really add some numbers if I want has been so freeing in addition to maxing out each week on my main lifts as I want is great and my work sets are a lot better with continuously updated percentages.

Should have started trying this stuff out a couple years ago, it’s been so good. XD I look forward to training sessions even more now. :slight_smile:

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Yes, max effort starts from a high rep max and gradually works down to one rep, or three if you’re just training to train and risking injury isn’t worth it. And you have flexibility in selecting supplemental and accessory work which can be manipulated for hypertrophy instead of pure strength gains as a focus.

Not the same as muscle confusion then.

Sounds like an interesting approach, but I’m curious to hear feedback from people who’ve tried it.

On the surface it seems to an arbitrarily assigned method of distributing accumulation, strength and power. I’ll have to read the write-up but I’m not convinced it’s better than other methodologies, just different, which is a trend in the fitness industry to maintain marketable relevance.

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Yep. Probably just different.

The OP said he has training ADD, is worried he may be missing out on more effective training approaches.

I thought a program with frequent method changes and that includes a bit of everything may nip both concerns in the bud. That would probably be true for Westside, too.

Push Pull Legs Arms is kind of my default as well.

I also like Chest & Bis, Legs, Shoulders & Tris, Back.

It’s much simpler for me to just go in and beat something up until it’s sore and not really have to worry about what will be in the next workout.

I haven’t really given full body a fair enough shake, but I think CT’s full body + gap plan is genius.

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These days, I legit don’t want to lift any more than 3x a week, and for less than an hour at a time. This means I tend toward full body workouts , and like to make use of super/giant sets whenever possible to maximize volume/density in the training space. If I do allow myself 4 days of lifting, then it’s an upper/lower split ala 5/3/1, as I focus on movements rather than muscles.

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I’ve tried full body, but never really enjoyed it. When life has prevented me from having my preferred gym access (due to kids, work, travel, whatever) I usually do one week of full body as a “warm up” set, one week of push-pull-legs, and sneaky cardio in the background so my VO2 max isn’t a limiting factor when I’m back in gym rat mode, then defaulted to this.

I like a 5/2 split best, so a week would look like this -

1.) Upper body - compound heavy day - low volume, high weight powerlifting, accessory work

2,) Lower body - compound heavy day - Olympic lifts, squat movement, hinge movement, calves, accessory crap

3.) Off - Good sleep, learn more about lifting, cook something and eat it

4.) Chest and back - pump day - Vertical press, horizonal pull, vertical pull, horizontal push, accessory work, but with different equipment, higher volume, and different techniques to finish and burn out.

5.) Legs - pump day - Run the muscle ladder - glutes, quads, hams, calves, abs.

6.) Arms/Shoulders - pump day - We all like to do this. Have fun.

7.) Rest - Do something new that is dumb and interests you.

i don’t prioritize cardio since I keep ending doing 20k steps for work, and swimming a ton to relax.

Back to the ADD initial question (and thank you for tagging me!) I feel that this structure gives some breathing space and doesn’t make a lifter feel like they are losing progress. You bounce between strength and hypertrophy progression, with a couple of positive and non-gym rest days to allow consistency (which is really all that matters.}

Hope this helps, I’m going to make some eggs and yell and suffer through my kid playing a soccer game.

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For real, and more and more as I get older.

I just had a random thought while watching my son try to play some video game that’s giving me motion sickness: I kind of wanted to do this on “hard mode” before, even if only for a fraction more result. Now, it’s just a past time, and I want to play on easy mode. Less grinding for the sake of grinding.

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I like it!

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And along with that, just like a career: the reason you work so hard at the start is so you don’t HAVE to work so hard at the end. You invest and save when you’re young so you can live off the savings and investments when you’re older and don’t have the vigor to get after it like you did in your youth. I killed myself in training for years/decades, and now I don’t have to do that to keep getting the results I want. Similar to how Stan Efferding got to set world records in powerlifting while squatting once every 2 weeks. The foundation was already established.

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