[quote]W@LRUS!1 wrote:
derek wrote:
There is so much cross-over in weight training that I cannot believe there’s any discussion to the opposite.
What a slap in the face it is to assume that Boyle couldn’t help with powerlifting or bodybuilding. The same can be said for any other expert in thier chosen profession.
I boils down to this:
If you were preparing for a bodybuilding contest who would you hire…Mike Boyle or someone who’s successfully prep’d numerous people for a bodybuilding comp?
If you were preparing for a powerlifting competition who would you hire…Mike Boyle or someone who’s successfully prep’d numerous people for a powerlifting comp?[/quote]
Well maybe you can start your very own thread since it seems you like to stray off the point. Or simply just re-read my original question and answer THAT and stop answering questions that weren’t asked.
I’d prefer someone who was friendly, observant, kept an eye on the whole gym/person being trained, and knew their stuff very well, and was a great communicator, comedian, psychologist etc… motivator.
I don’t really care if they look like a fat old man. Sometimes it is the fat old man who really knows his stuff.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That means worrying about what highly trained specialist they should go to when they are passing right by the 260lbs freak in the corner who has worked his ass off for several years…
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Ah, but I would consider the 260 lbs guy who got there by working his ass off a knowledgeable specialist at gaining muscle.
It’s the ‘book smart only’ guy that should be avoided IMO.
Perhaps we’re having a semantics misunderstanding?
[quote]derek wrote:
Well maybe you can start your very own thread since it seems you like to stray off the point. Or simply just re-read my original question and answer THAT and stop answering questions that weren’t asked.[/quote]
Relax derek, sometimes threads stray off topic in internet forums…nothing to get overly upset about.
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
I’d prefer someone who was friendly, observant, kept an eye on the whole gym/person being trained, and knew their stuff very well, and was a great communicator, comedian, psychologist etc… motivator.
I don’t really care if they look like a fat old man. Sometimes it is the fat old man who really knows his stuff.[/quote]
Right. I am sure one of those exists…some really fat elderly man who, for some strange unknown reason, stays in a gym that he clearly doesn’t use only to disperse training wisdom. I think I am more intrigued by your ability to discern someone’s sense of humor, comedic ability, and psychological expertise…by simply looking at them.
[quote]W@LRUS!1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That means worrying about what highly trained specialist they should go to when they are passing right by the 260lbs freak in the corner who has worked his ass off for several years…
Ah, but I would consider the 260 lbs guy who got there by working his ass off a knowledgeable specialist at gaining muscle.
It’s the ‘book smart only’ guy that should be avoided IMO.
Perhaps we’re having a semantics misunderstanding?
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Maybe, but it is surprising the number of attempts by some in this thread (not you specifically) who seem unable to admit that the way someone looks can imply a hell of a lot about what they know from experience when it comes to people who workout in the gym.
I guess it hurts for some to admit that muscles mean something. One can only wonder why.
[quote]W@LRUS!1 wrote:
intenseone wrote:
Funny the mentality, I see alot of people say “Big” but since when does big translate into knowledge. Mike Boyle is one of the most knowledgable people on here, but he isn’t “big”, hell, he looks like he hardly trains (no offence to Mike)!
It all boils down to what someone wants to achieve.
No one goes to Mike Boyle that’s interested in benching 500 lbs without a bench shirt. Why, because that’s not where Boyle’s expertise lies. I wouldn’t go to a ear, nose, throat specialist to have eye surgery. I also wouldn’t go to Mike Boyle to learn to be a competitive powerlifter.
If I was interested in competing in a bodybuilding contest I’d contact Christian Thibaudeau. Mike Boyle would never even be considered.
And to answer your question. If I wanted to get BIG, I wouldn’t go to Mike Boyle for answers. I’d go to someone that specializes in getting BIG.[/quote]
I agree with this 100%, unless I missed it, I don’t think the original poster specified, I was basically referring to the general population who just walks into the gym looking for a trainer, not someone who specializes in a certain style.
[quote]W@LRUS!1 wrote:
derek wrote:
Well maybe you can start your very own thread since it seems you like to stray off the point. Or simply just re-read my original question and answer THAT and stop answering questions that weren’t asked.
Relax derek, sometimes threads stray off topic in internet forums…nothing to get overly upset about.[/quote]
Trust me, I’m totally relaxed. It’s just a little tiresome when people answer questions that weren’t even asked.
I mean, I gave two example of two different people with two pictures to make it even more clear that I was asking about only the appearance of two vastly different physiques yet somehow we keep getting “I’d rather get with a trainer that really knew his stuff” and other disconnected replies like that.
Nevermind. This is just another thread that goes nowhere because people feel the need to ignore the original question. Professor X and others have answered my question because they know what I’m asking. The other crap just confuses the issue.
It’s like talking to a child; “You must choose between the red car and the blue car”. “I want yellow!”. “Well that’s not one of your options is it”?
[quote]mahwah wrote:
Actually, your logic is flawed.
In your statement, it would be more like going to an eye surgeon who has performed the surgery on himself.
The trainer who has helped his clients get bigger would be similar to the surgeon in your example (ie. Mike Boyle).[/quote]
Good catch. But…
Unlike eye surgery, it’s possible for a bodybuilder/weightlifter ‘surgeon’ to practice, experiment, and perfect techniques with himself/herself.
So again, it would be a better decision IMO to seek knowledge about gaining significant amounts of muscle mass from someone who’s actually done it by working their ass off, rather than someone who’s total knowledge of the matter is only from what they’ve read in books.
Alirght. I take back everything I said. The comments I made about Jesse’s training life being too taxing on one’s joints really can’t be justified. I was just trying to rationalize my choice of the lean guy over the fat picture of Jesse. I couldn’t do it well.
In my defense the model guy doesn’t look awful. But I thought these comparison pictures between their deadlift style might make up for me being a jackass. Come on. How often is someone going to apologize on this forum?
My using the model’s picture wasn’t the best choice.
I was in a hurry and maybe I should’ve used a less muscular build as representative of my original point.
Your appology was nice but then you go and put the deadlift comparison pictures in there.
Jesse is deadlifting an f-ing CAR for REPS and the model is deadlifting what, 135?
I think you killed whatever point you were trying to make.
(Please don’t take this as jumping on you. It’s so hard to print and get the right attitude across ya know?)
EDIT: I may have misunderstood your reasoning for posting the deadlift pics. You may have been giving props to Jesse over the model, not vice versa. I appologize if I was mistaken.
I would never choose a trainer based on looks. It means jack shit when it comes to training someone other than them selves.
You would only know who can train you after discussing with them what you want. To me they should look strong, healthy and be passionate about what they do.
I would pick a strongman competitor over a mens health model any day. I actually want to talk to Jesses coach rather than Jesse himself.
