Toyota Lied

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
HH, why don’t you provide me with the evidence that anyone HAS even been injured to at least begin to justify your ranting about people supposedly being killed and deathtraps and all this?

Each news report I have read has referred to numbers of incidents but never reported an injury. I have yet to see a claim of injury. While that doesn’t prove there can’t have been an instance somewhere, it’s highly unlikely that thee would be many injuries yet have the media fail to find example cases to hype up their stories.

Obviously you haven’t seen any injury evidence either, let alone a death report, yet you post as if you had.

As to your citing a political hack telling everyone to park their Toyotas, puh-leeze.[/quote]

76 year old grannies rarely drag race, Bill…

"Toyota faces at least seven suits brought by individual plaintiffs claiming deaths or injuries caused by sudden acceleration. In a Michigan lawsuit filed in August, the family of Guadalupe Alberto claims she was killed when her 2005 Toyota Camry sped out of control on a residential street in April 2008.

That suit also claims a defect in the electronic throttle control, said Heiskell, the Alberto family’s lawyer. The vehicle didn’t have a floor mat, he said.

“She blew past an intersection, witnesses saw her with both hands on the wheel,” Heiskell said. “She appeared to be standing on the brake while steering.”

Alberto, 76, was killed instantly when the Camry hit a tree at almost 130 kph, he said."

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20100202n1.html

Love my Ram truck and wife’s 'Lade…

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Would you hunt for the executives who hid that space aliens had been housed in their facility and escaped to kill your family (which in fact wasn’t killed) ?

You’re posting about “death traps” and people being killed when no one has even been injured in this Toyota matter. In other words you are hyping things up.[/quote]

Many years ago, I actually had a Toyota. When I bought a Town & Country Chrysler van, the insurance ON A NEW VAN was way less than on a 4 year old Camry! Why?

Numbers can’t lie. Those bitty car are death traps. And now they accelerate out of control!

Buy big, buy domestic.

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No car, let alone a Camry, has the power to accelerate or even maintain speed when standing on the brake.

One can certainly have an incident where for a few seconds speed is greater than intended because of response time and time needed for the brake to decelerate the car. In a confined area, or with a vehicle shortly ahead, or a sharp turn shortly ahead and so forth this certainly can produce an accident.

But claims where the car is just unstoppable and attains these high speeds despite allegedly standing on the brake cannot be correct.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:
Why do I picture HH walking around his house with boxer shorts and half tied house coat, toting a pump action shot gun in one hand and a fifth of Jack in the other?[/quote]

Me and Kesha brush our teeth with a bottle of Jack. Then we look at the clock, it says ‘Tik Tok’, so we go clubbin’!! Yeah!!!
[/quote]

Where I grew up, Lynchburg was in my back yard. I don’t waste the “good stuff” on no tooth brushin’. That’s what Jim Beam is for.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No car, let alone a Camry, has the power to accelerate or even maintain speed when standing on the brake.

One can certainly have an incident where for a few seconds speed is greater than intended because of response time and time needed for the brake to decelerate the car. In a confined area, or with a vehicle shortly ahead, or a sharp turn shortly ahead and so forth this certainly can produce an accident.

But claims where the car is just unstoppable and attains these high speeds despite allegedly standing on the brake cannot be correct.[/quote]

In her 60 years of driving, that grandmother just never learned the difference between the gas pedal and the brake pedal. That must be what they were seeing.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No car, let alone a Camry, has the power to accelerate or even maintain speed when standing on the brake.

One can certainly have an incident where for a few seconds speed is greater than intended because of response time and time needed for the brake to decelerate the car. In a confined area, or with a vehicle shortly ahead, or a sharp turn shortly ahead and so forth this certainly can produce an accident.

But claims where the car is just unstoppable and attains these high speeds despite allegedly standing on the brake cannot be correct.[/quote]

In her 60 years of driving, that grandmother just never learned the difference between the gas pedal and the brake pedal. That must be what they were seeing.
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Actually that is hardly an unknown thing.

That was in fact the cause of the Audi “unintended acceleration” problem of 20 or so years ago. People stepping on the gas when they meant to step on the brake and, in their surprise at the outcome, not thinking that they made the mistake but immediately blaming the car and pushing yet harder on the “brake” in response.

There was no actual mechanical or electrical cause. The reason this happened with the Audis moreso than other cars was because Audi put the pedals too close together both in terms of horizontal and vertical distance.

With regard to the Toyotas, the sort of accident I described above could surely happen.

This story with the grandmother, including claim of standing on the brake while achieving such speed, cannot have happened as claimed.

I’m sure you’ve noticed your car will stop harder than it will accelerate.

Try sometime actually flooring the gas then standing on the brake and see if you continue to accelerate as the 75-year old claimed.

I’m not going to go back and forth with you on this point because you have a track record of asserting things I don’t for a second think you believe. You could know quite well that what I am saying is true but choose to continue to argue the opposite. No point in that.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No car, let alone a Camry, has the power to accelerate or even maintain speed when standing on the brake.

One can certainly have an incident where for a few seconds speed is greater than intended because of response time and time needed for the brake to decelerate the car. In a confined area, or with a vehicle shortly ahead, or a sharp turn shortly ahead and so forth this certainly can produce an accident.

But claims where the car is just unstoppable and attains these high speeds despite allegedly standing on the brake cannot be correct.[/quote]

In her 60 years of driving, that grandmother just never learned the difference between the gas pedal and the brake pedal. That must be what they were seeing.
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Accidentally stepping on the gas thinking it’s the brake has happened time and again. It is not physically possible the engine overpowered the brakes. The brakes are literally orders of magnitude stronger. So, you are saying that it is more likely that her engine randomly went to full throttle while, at the same instant, the brakes stopped functioning (despite many fail safes) than some little old lady stepped on the wrong pedal?

If you would actually bother to do your research you’d find that there are many instances of this bizarre problem or the engine going to full throttle and the brakes simultaneously failing when the driver swears to be standing on the “brake pedal”. This includes Chrysler and GM and ford and all the domestics. I assume you are going to stop buying them too.

edit: bill beat me to most of this. By the way, the cranes I build generally have a safety factor of at least 2.5 braking force to engine force.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
That’s right! Don’t buy foreign crap when there is plenty of domestic crap.[/quote]

If its all ‘crap’, then why support foreign workers? Fuck 'em, they don’t care about you or me.

My point is that if someone built a domestic that did the Toyota thing, covered it up, and anyone in my family was maimed or killed…well, daddy’s gone a-huntin’…
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Why whould they unless you are making them richer, and you becoming richer at the same time. I’m confused, but not with anarchy, because we wouldn’t have these problems. Just saying.

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USA Today reported in its January 28 edition, that Safety Research and Strategies, a Massachusetts-based safety research firm, said it has found 2,274 incidents of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles causing 275 crashes and at least 18 fatalities since 1999.

Well so much for noone getting injured here.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No car, let alone a Camry, has the power to accelerate or even maintain speed when standing on the brake.

One can certainly have an incident where for a few seconds speed is greater than intended because of response time and time needed for the brake to decelerate the car. In a confined area, or with a vehicle shortly ahead, or a sharp turn shortly ahead and so forth this certainly can produce an accident.

But claims where the car is just unstoppable and attains these high speeds despite allegedly standing on the brake cannot be correct.[/quote]

In her 60 years of driving, that grandmother just never learned the difference between the gas pedal and the brake pedal. That must be what they were seeing.
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Accidentally stepping on the gas thinking it’s the brake has happened time and again. It is not physically possible the engine overpowered the brakes. The brakes are literally orders of magnitude stronger. So, you are saying that it is more likely that her engine randomly went to full throttle while, at the same instant, the brakes stopped functioning (despite many fail safes) than some little old lady stepped on the wrong pedal?

If you would actually bother to do your research you’d find that there are many instances of this bizarre problem or the engine going to full throttle and the brakes simultaneously failing when the driver swears to be standing on the “brake pedal”. This includes Chrysler and GM and ford and all the domestics. I assume you are going to stop buying them too.

edit: bill beat me to most of this. By the way, the cranes I build generally have a safety factor of at least 2.5 braking force to engine force.[/quote]

Very true. I had a Woman Drive her Hyundai right into my fitness center. Buried the whole car in the front Lobby and crashed passed the front desk. LOL!

Her excuse was that of total shock. She Swore the car just accelerated while shes was riding the brakes. lol, Whatever. She floored it by accident and didn’t even realize.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
USA Today reported in its January 28 edition, that Safety Research and Strategies, a Massachusetts-based safety research firm, said it has found 2,274 incidents of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles causing 275 crashes and at least 18 fatalities since 1999.

Well so much for noone getting injured here. [/quote]

What, has this same accelerator pedal been used since 1999? And did all these cases use this pedal?

If not – and the answer is “not” – then what is wrong with your picture?

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Anyone wonder whether the fedel gubinment “owning” GM - and needing it to maintain/gain market share - has anything to do with this? Just askin’

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
USA Today reported in its January 28 edition, that Safety Research and Strategies, a Massachusetts-based safety research firm, said it has found 2,274 incidents of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles causing 275 crashes and at least 18 fatalities since 1999.

Well so much for noone getting injured here. [/quote]

Thanks for the find! I’m sure domestics do this as well, but I get tired of Consumer Reports trumpeting Toyota and Honda and so on, when American cars get ripped. These cars are not God’s gift.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:
USA Today reported in its January 28 edition, that Safety Research and Strategies, a Massachusetts-based safety research firm, said it has found 2,274 incidents of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles causing 275 crashes and at least 18 fatalities since 1999.

Well so much for noone getting injured here. [/quote]

Thanks for the find! I’m sure domestics do this as well, but I get tired of Consumer Reports trumpeting Toyota and Honda and so on, when American cars get ripped. These cars are not God’s gift.
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Since we are on the topic of hate:
Generally, American cars get ripped cause they suck and are built like crap. Japanese cars made in America/ Mexico are also shit. Toyota cut their quality and outsourced to the wrong companies, hence the recall. It’s not like we are talking about times when Japanese cars were ACTUALLY shipped directly from Japan.

For example: The Corollas now are made in Canada/ US or MEXico. My 1997 Corolla runs like (aside from the body) new and has over 200k. It is MADE IN JAPAN.

Conclusion: Cars nowadays aren’t built like they used to. All fancy bodies with shitty interior engine parts.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:
USA Today reported in its January 28 edition, that Safety Research and Strategies, a Massachusetts-based safety research firm, said it has found 2,274 incidents of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles causing 275 crashes and at least 18 fatalities since 1999.

Well so much for noone getting injured here. [/quote]

Thanks for the find! I’m sure domestics do this as well, but I get tired of Consumer Reports trumpeting Toyota and Honda and so on, when American cars get ripped. These cars are not God’s gift.
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No but American cars are Satans spawn :-).

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

Very true. I had a Woman Drive her Hyundai right into my fitness center. Buried the whole car in the front Lobby and crashed passed the front desk. LOL!

Her excuse was that of total shock. She Swore the car just accelerated while shes was riding the brakes. lol, Whatever. She floored it by accident and didn’t even realize.
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Surely, if you are pressing the brake and it is accelerating you try other pedals, no? Or at least just take your foot of them all, all together and depending on speed and circumstances; ( considering pedestrians ) apply hand break, spin the car around and aim to hit a wall, a fence or even a lamp post side ways and let the car slide and be stopped by the impact. Would you not rather hit an inanimate object to save human life? What if there were children in the lobby and she ran right over them?

That was what I did on a highway at 75mph. The car fish tailed due to a mechanical fault. My brain could no longer tell me which direction I was facing and all I remember was holding the steering wheel as if grabbing a bull by the horns and saying to my self: “I have GOT TO STOP this car” and park it away from incoming traffic.
I hit the central barrier and turned the car side ways and “parked” it glued to the to the barrier to allow room for the incoming flow of traffic and avoid casualties. I was so disoriented I actually thought I was on the other side and was going to be hit any minute by incoming traffic.
And that is why the front of the car looks eaten away: after the fist spin ( a witness said the car just spun as I moved lanes - he was the car behind me who stopped to help me ) I brought it to 90 degrees and hit the central barrier, then let it slide to slow the car down enough till I had sufficient force to turn it around completely and “park it” right way around.
It saved my life and possibly that of others.

I posted this because ( I am not saying you are being sexist ) two women have been cited and it may be statistically correct most women panic and make matters worse behind the wheel but others are formidable drivers simply by staying 100% alert and not panicking in life and death situations.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

Very true. I had a Woman Drive her Hyundai right into my fitness center. Buried the whole car in the front Lobby and crashed passed the front desk. LOL!

Her excuse was that of total shock. She Swore the car just accelerated while shes was riding the brakes. lol, Whatever. She floored it by accident and didn’t even realize.
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Surely, if you are pressing the brake and it is accelerating you try other pedals, no? Or at least just take your foot of them all, all together and depending on speed and circumstances; ( considering pedestrians ) apply hand break, spin the car around and aim to hit a wall, a fence or even a lamp post side ways and let the car slide and be stopped by the impact. Would you not rather hit an inanimate object to save human life? What if there were children in the lobby and she ran right over them?

That was what I did on a highway at 75mph. The car fish tailed due to a mechanical fault. My brain could no longer tell me which direction I was facing and all I remember was holding the steering wheel as if grabbing a bull by the horns and saying to my self: “I have GOT TO STOP this car” and park it away from incoming traffic.
I hit the central barrier and turned the car side ways and “parked” it glued to the to the barrier to allow room for the incoming flow of traffic and avoid casualties. I was so disoriented I actually thought I was on the other side and was going to be hit any minute by incoming traffic.
And that is why the front of the car looks eaten away: after the fist spin ( a witness said the car just spun as I moved lanes - he was the car behind me who stopped to help me ) I brought it to 90 degrees and hit the central barrier, then let it slide to slow the car down enough till I had sufficient force to turn it around completely and “park it” right way around.
It saved my life and possibly that of others.

I posted this because ( I am not saying you are being sexist ) two women have been cited and it may be statistically correct most women panic and make matters worse behind the wheel but others are formidable drivers simply by staying 100% alert and not panicking in life and death situations.

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Sugar, that was an awful good story and all. I bet those cute little butt checks were just clinching that seat. And I’m sure glad a man was nearby to come to your assistance and take charge of the situation. But really, what was a little gal like you doing out of the neighborhood and on the main roads?

BTW, could your ask your husband, (or boyfriend) if the frame was bent? Was he able to find a good body shop, or did he just negotiate a total loss for you?

(You do live a long ways from Tennessee, don’t you? If not, you know I’m playing with you.)

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

But really, what was a little gal like you doing out of the neighborhood and on the main roads?[/quote]:)[quote]

BTW, could your ask your husband, (or boyfriend) if the frame was bent? Was he able to find a good body shop, or did he just negotiate a total loss for you?[/quote] I have no owner at the moment.
It is a company car. This job sometimes requires I travel out of London to pick up aquatic equipment and/or live fish. The cars are death traps and the company director and his minion, the mechanic, have no conscience. I fought with them, put my foot down
( not on the accelerator ) and refused to drive the car for three weeks prior to the accident, then the mechanic “fixed it”. I asked him would you drive this car in the highway?
He said: “Yes of course!”
But lets no go there. I can’t change the system.

This Toyota issue is no big deal here where the British owners are just confused as to whether they can continue to drive or not whilst awaiting for the parts to arrive from Japan on Wednesday.
In Britain, if you are driving a car that you know has problems and you are involved in an accident you can be charged as a criminal and even go to prison.

Yes, and it made me smile!
Thank you.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
American executives have to fear that someone with a nice assault rifle is waiting for them on a dark road.[/quote]

No they don’t, and I’m not going to stay away from anything.

Toyota makes fine automobiles. I couldn’t care less about the recall. It’s just a media spectacle. Smoke, but no fire.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
The best part about this is the president of toyota hasn’t formally addressed the situation of confusion and danger in the states. However, to the presidents credit he has been in switzerland attending very important meetings on efficiency while DRIVING AROUND IN AN AUDI. Talk about faith and pride in your work.[/quote]

Quit your whining, peasant.