Town Hall with Obama

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
The public option is meant to, eventually, crowd out the private. What was it? 15-20 years for a single payer system, or so they hope? [/quote]

No! Obama clearly stated today he is NOT in favor of a single payer system. He believes that transition is simply not appropriate for the U.S.

The purpose of health-care reform is to provide affordable health-care for all Americans. Our current system does not (46 Million uninsured). The purpose of the public option is to provide honest competition for insurance companies. The public option will not be subsidized by taxpayer money, and Obama has stated he would abandon any public option that did.

Think of FedEx and UPS, they compete with the Post Office, and they do VERY well.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
It really wasn’t rigged, guys. They were going to kick people out if they yelled and were disruptive, but they were not pre-screened questions.

You forgot to mention lack of challenging questions. I wish I could debate this clown.

What would you have asked?

I would have asked him to explain why the bill says that if you drop your insurance for any reason you would be forced to usw the public option. its on page 16 I believe.

You will not be forced to use the public option! It will be available to you but no one will be forced.

That isn’t what the bill says, or at least did. It bans new enrollment in private plans.[/quote]
Correct. The bill shows that Obama is lying through his teeth.

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http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-03-id-like-to-see-a-single-payer-health-care-plan/

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
The public option is meant to, eventually, crowd out the private. What was it? 15-20 years for a single payer system, or so they hope?

No! Obama clearly stated today he is NOT in favor of a single payer system. He believes that transition is simply not appropriate for the U.S.

The purpose of health-care reform is to provide affordable health-care for all Americans. Our current system does not (46 Million uninsured). The purpose of the public option is to provide honest competition for insurance companies. The public option will not be subsidized by taxpayer money, and Obama has stated he would abandon any public option that did.

Think of FedEx and UPS, they compete with the Post Office, and they do VERY well.[/quote]

Post office is a stand alone company. Not a subsidized one.

Tax payer money will go into the public option. You had to of made up the fact that it wouldnâ??t. What obama said was that it would have to be paid for (meaning cutting other place and raising taxes) not out of debt.

46 million uninsured is a lie. You are including rich self insured, people who opt out, people who can afford it, and people who are eligible for government programs already and simply havenâ??t signed up.

http://gardenstatepatriot.blogivists.com/2009/07/24/the-47-million-uninsured-myth/

What specifically has changed since he said the public option would be the beginning of the transition to the single payer system he really wanted? Are you saying he was wrong then and suddenly right now?

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
The public option is meant to, eventually, crowd out the private. What was it? 15-20 years for a single payer system, or so they hope?

No! Obama clearly stated today he is NOT in favor of a single payer system. He believes that transition is simply not appropriate for the U.S.

The purpose of health-care reform is to provide affordable health-care for all Americans. Our current system does not (46 Million uninsured). The purpose of the public option is to provide honest competition for insurance companies. The public option will not be subsidized by taxpayer money, and Obama has stated he would abandon any public option that did.

Think of FedEx and UPS, they compete with the Post Office, and they do VERY well.[/quote]

I will give you the same advice I give the politicians. READ THE BILL!!!

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
It really wasn’t rigged, guys. They were going to kick people out if they yelled and were disruptive, but they were not pre-screened questions.

You forgot to mention lack of challenging questions. I wish I could debate this clown.

What would you have asked?

I would have asked him to explain why the bill says that if you drop your insurance for any reason you would be forced to usw the public option. its on page 16 I believe.

You will not be forced to use the public option! It will be available to you but no one will be forced.[/quote]

You keep saying what I hear Obama saying. Assuming that you aren’t being a mouthpiece and that Obama is being sincere, please explain the thing everyone keeps asking you about pg. 16.

mike

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[quote]John S. wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
It really wasn’t rigged, guys. They were going to kick people out if they yelled and were disruptive, but they were not pre-screened questions.

You forgot to mention lack of challenging questions. I wish I could debate this clown.

What would you have asked?

I would have asked him to explain why the bill says that if you drop your insurance for any reason you would be forced to usw the public option. its on page 16 I believe.

You will not be forced to use the public option! It will be available to you but no one will be forced.

That isn’t what the bill says, or at least did. It bans new enrollment in private plans.
Correct. The bill shows that Obama is lying through his teeth.[/quote]

Page 16 does not ban private healthcare, it means private health-care options available after the bill has been passed must pass the regulations stated in the bill.

Here is a link to the bill: http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

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Again page 16 clearly states that if you do not have insurance before this bill passes you are forced to use public option. If you have insurance and it gets dropped for any reason you have to use public option. This bill is a joke. If you are interested in this bill I believe push has a list about a mile long with problems with this bill.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
John S. wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
It really wasn’t rigged, guys. They were going to kick people out if they yelled and were disruptive, but they were not pre-screened questions.

You forgot to mention lack of challenging questions. I wish I could debate this clown.

What would you have asked?

I would have asked him to explain why the bill says that if you drop your insurance for any reason you would be forced to usw the public option. its on page 16 I believe.

You will not be forced to use the public option! It will be available to you but no one will be forced.

That isn’t what the bill says, or at least did. It bans new enrollment in private plans.[/quote]

Still does, basically. Actually it only bans new enrollment in individual private plans. It still allows new enrollment in group plans. So if you switch job or your employer switches providers, you can enroll in that new plan. There are two major problems with this. First, group plans and the nonsensical link between health insurance and employment is one of the root causes to our health care problems. Second, many companies will likely switch to the public option. If you held private group insurance before your company switched to the public plan, you will not be allowed to enroll in an individual plan outside of the “National Health Insurance Exchange”.

EDIT: Use dtheyer’s link a few posts above, it works better. See page 16, Sec. 102.

Read it for yourself, but be warned: It is 1,018 pages long and will take a long time to load if it does not freeze your browser.

It is sec. 102 that describes the right to choose private insurance and the grandfathering. The section before it clarifies group and individual insurance.

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
The public option is meant to, eventually, crowd out the private. What was it? 15-20 years for a single payer system, or so they hope?

No! Obama clearly stated today he is NOT in favor of a single payer system. He believes that transition is simply not appropriate for the U.S.

[/quote]

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Think of FedEx and UPS, they compete with the Post Office, and they do VERY well.[/quote]

So well, in fact, that the USPS loses billions per year and would have long ago been bankrupt if not for our tax dollars subsidizing it.

This is actually a very good analogy and I am glad you brought it up as I would much prefer we just scrapped the USPS and let FedEx and UPS take care of all of our mail.

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:

Think of FedEx and UPS, they compete with the Post Office, and they do VERY well.[/quote]

Straight from Obama’s speech in NH.

mike

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
The public option is meant to, eventually, crowd out the private. What was it? 15-20 years for a single payer system, or so they hope?

No! Obama clearly stated today he is NOT in favor of a single payer system. He believes that transition is simply not appropriate for the U.S.

The purpose of health-care reform is to provide affordable health-care for all Americans. Our current system does not (46 Million uninsured). The purpose of the public option is to provide honest competition for insurance companies. The public option will not be subsidized by taxpayer money, and Obama has stated he would abandon any public option that did.

Think of FedEx and UPS, they compete with the Post Office, and they do VERY well.[/quote]

You know, I really didnt believe Obama would in fact plant people in town hall meetings and on message boards, but you sir just proved to me that he does. Thanks for that.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
dtheyer wrote:

Think of FedEx and UPS, they compete with the Post Office, and they do VERY well.

Straight from Obama’s speech in NH.

mike[/quote]

I didn’t watch it, but I’m reading he said the following. “UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems”

Foot in mouth? Pointing out that the government service is always having the problems?

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
tedro wrote:
I didn’t see the whole thing, but my favorite part was when he said, “Medicare works right.”

He didn’t say that. He said there are problems with that system and it is quickly becoming unsustainable. When it comes to it’s ability to provide care however, works just as well if not better than most options offered to elderly patients.
[/quote]

Well, I didn’t remember the quote exactly right, but perhaps you can explain this part:

And so I do think it’s important for particularly seniors who currently receive Medicare to understand that if we’re able to get something right like Medicare, then there should be a little more confidence that maybe the government can have a role – not the dominant role, but a role – in making sure the people are treated fairly when it comes to insurance.

The transcript: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/141914/obama’s_town_hall:_full_transcript/

It doesn’t. I can form my own opinions so we can thus avoid a discussion on the interests of these two groups.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Again page 16 clearly states that […] If you have insurance and it gets dropped for any reason you have to use public option. [/quote]

The link is above, could you please copy and paste the part you believe says this? There’s a lot wrong with this bill. Why don’t we start focusing on the real problems.

From politifact: [quote]Under the House bill, companies that offer insurance to individuals will do it through an exchange, where the government sets minimum standards for coverage. The new regulations require insurance companies to accept people even if they have previously existing conditions and to provide a minimum level of benefits, among other things.

To be sure we were reading the bill correctly, we turned to an independent health care analyst at the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. The foundation has analyzed the major health care proposals, including those of the Republicans, providing point-by-point analysis .

Jennifer Tolbert, the foundation’s principal policy analyst, told us that Page 16 doesn’t outlaw private insurance. “There will be individual policies available, but people will buy those policies through the national health insurance exchange,” she said.

The House bill allows for existing policies to be grandfathered in, so that people who currently have individual health insurance policies will not lose coverage. The line the editorial refers to is a clause that says the health insurance companies cannot enroll new people into the old plans.

The IDB editorial has caught the attention of some of the bill’s most direct supporters. Rep. Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who is guiding the legislation through Congress, wrote a letter to the publication saying the editorial was “factually incorrect and highly misleading.”

The conservative Heritage Foundation also said the editorial misread the legislation, writing on its Foundry blog, “So IDB is wrong: individual health insurance will not be outlawed.” Heritage believes that the new regulations will be so onerous as to drive private insurance out of business “which is effectively the same thing.” But that is a substantially different argument than what the editorial said.[/quote]

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to get back on topic, it seems that all the protesters where outside. Stacked deck is all this was

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I was quoting what he said because it made sense to me. No, lol, I do not work for Obama.

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Here is the big issue with obama’s town hall. The shit he is claiming isn’t in the actual bill HR 3200. There is no mention of being able to keep you insurance. There is no mention of choosing your own doctor. There is mentioning of more or less force “End of life” counseling and chils welfare counseling…Yes that is in the bill they are going to tell you how to raise your kid.

"Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government’s coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It’s outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading “home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children.” The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, “well-trained and competent staff,” would “provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains … modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices,” and “skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development.”

You are gonna believe who unearthed this, Chuck Norris of all people. He actually read and pulled apart the entire bill. Something obama has not done.

Looking at the text of the HR 3200, he’s right, it’s in there…

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gambit, as tedro clearly stated they changed it. You will forgive me if i cant keep up with all 1,000 pages. My first point still stands, if you dont have insurance and this passes you will be forced on this plan. Either way they are still going to kill the private sector.