Tour de Cheat

Cycling was in such bad shape as a sport… This is the past thing it needed. It didn’t need another Tour winner to test positive. What’s weird is that the positive test was more than 2 months ago and it’s just now being released. They managed to keep it quiet until now (I assume they were trying to discredit the results and save face in their sport?)

He cheated and got caught. I hope they ban him and strip him of his tour title.

PEDs are cheating (right now anyway) and is against the rules. They’ve got to punish this guy or change the rules

And from what I understand, Contador’s positive was in the midst of about 14 other administered tests within a very short time frame. I’ll be interested to see how they explain the fact that he tested positive in one test (somewhere around 7 or 8 in the lineup) but yet none of the other drug screens picked up this amount of Clen.

For those not familiar with professional cycling, this sort of thing has been going on for a long time. Most accept that these guys dope on some level; the Spanish just seem to be less efficient at covering it up. In recent years, nearly an entire Spanish team was banned after someone snitched and they found a whole bag of the syringes and empty bottles used on the cyclists in the trainer’s bus.

PED’s have been in the sport for a while. People are always trying to bust Lance, and yet he has conveniently never been caught. I respect what he did, but there’s a solid chance he just had PED’s they could not pick up yet. Testing for these drugs (at least in cycling) always seems to be at least 4 or 5 years behind the advancement of the PED’s themselves.

Who knows, but I agree with Gregron, either change the rules or let the stuff be legal. Just cause I start taking PED’s doesn’t mean I’m gonna be able to put my ass on a bike and ride over mountains and shit and win a 2000 mile bike race in 21 days.

[quote]Chewwy wrote:

[quote]Amiright wrote:

[quote]Chewwy wrote:

[quote]Amiright wrote:
Records will still be broken because a more capable athlete will come about one way or another. Records will always be broken… even without steroids. [/quote]

So you think the 100m will keep getting faster and faster till we have someone running 100m in under 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 seconds? Records will not always be broken.
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Way to take it a little too literally… A world record is meant to stand for more then 2 days. Record will always be broken and when we reach the peak they will be tied(but that is a long long time away). Don’t know what the record for the 100 is off the top of my head but I bet it will be beat by a hundredth(or more) of a second in 10-20 years(maybe sooner) and so on. As far as your life or your children’s lives are concerned… record will always be broken. [/quote]

The record is apparently 9.58 set by that Bolt fella. I wonder how much faster its possible for a human to run.[/quote]

Ben Johnson ran a 1.69s 0-10m and a 1.00s 10-20m in separate races, both tied for the fastest ever. I believe Jon Drummond is the only man ever to have a “perfect” 0.1s (the lowest possible) reaction time. Bolt’s 0-20m in Berlin was 2.89 and his reaction time was 0.14.

So take that and add the maximum allowable tailwind (2m/s, compared to the 0.9 in Berlin) which knocks off about 0.05 per 1m/s and you have a 9.29, just based on what has already been done.

I think my lifetime will see a sub-9s 100m.

like the top doctors in europe said many many years ago. first thing you need to do to build a world class cycling team is get the best pharmacist…this way you can take all the drugs you need to take to make you train harder and longer, then take the recovery drugs, then take what the pharmacist says… the masking agents…

i think everyone on lances team has been caught and busted over the last few years, how come lance isnt busted yet…

this night be one of those “money talks” situations.

i do hope he gets busted, cause we all know he doped…

The answer is just to make drugs legal. Either everyone is already using them, in which case you do no damage by making them legal, or only a few people are using them, in which case you’ve created an unfair competitive environment. What’s that? Drugs are unhealthy and dangerous. Go fuck yourself. Training and competing at that level is unhealthy anyway. Plus, letting athletes use drugs in the open will give them every incentive to get doctors to advise them on how to do things as safely as possible since their is no risk that the doctor will “snitch.”

Sports would be fair, safe, and entertaining. I don’t see what the problem is.

[quote]spk wrote:
i do hope he gets busted, cause we all know he doped…[/quote]

actually no one “knows he doped” because he is the most tested athlete in sports and never tested positive. A lot of people THINK he doped, or WANT him to have been doping but no one KNOWS he doped because he never tested positive.

[quote]wiggles wrote:
And from what I understand, Contador’s positive was in the midst of about 14 other administered tests within a very short time frame. I’ll be interested to see how they explain the fact that he tested positive in one test (somewhere around 7 or 8 in the lineup) but yet none of the other drug screens picked up this amount of Clen.

For those not familiar with professional cycling, this sort of thing has been going on for a long time. Most accept that these guys dope on some level; the Spanish just seem to be less efficient at covering it up. In recent years, nearly an entire Spanish team was banned after someone snitched and they found a whole bag of the syringes and empty bottles used on the cyclists in the trainer’s bus.

PED’s have been in the sport for a while. People are always trying to bust Lance, and yet he has conveniently never been caught. I respect what he did, but there’s a solid chance he just had PED’s they could not pick up yet. Testing for these drugs (at least in cycling) always seems to be at least 4 or 5 years behind the advancement of the PED’s themselves.

Who knows, but I agree with Gregron, either change the rules or let the stuff be legal. Just cause I start taking PED’s doesn’t mean I’m gonna be able to put my ass on a bike and ride over mountains and shit and win a 2000 mile bike race in 21 days.[/quote]

Whats more, the positive test was 4 days before the race ended, after Contador had almost completely locked it up. Wouldn’t be much of a point taking clen at that stage. And certainly no point in taking a really, really tiny amount as indicated by the amount in the test. I’m not sure what 50 picograms/ml in the urine corresponds to dosage-wise, but it doesn’t seem like much.

Cattle farmers, as it turns out, cheat too.
I had a discussion on this elsewhere, and did a LEXIS search of major Euro newspapers (english only) and found a ton of confirmed cases of clen being used in the cattle industry there, despite the EU ban on it in cattle. “ban” is a strong word here, since the EU authorities allow .1 microgram/kg of clenbuterol in meat before it’s a problem. It’s perfectly legit to use in pork and horses, so it’s relatively easy to get. They don’t test every single piece of meat, obviously, and based on those news stories there are farmers that use quite a bit more clen than they’re allowed to hoping not to get caught.

based on the apparent prevalence of its use in cattle, the tiny amount in Contador’s test and over a dozen clean tests in the preceding 2 weeks, it seems like the “food contamination” excuse is plausible.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:
The amount of Clenbuterol he had in his system was FOUR HUNDRED times less than the amount necessary for a positive test[/quote]

Not true at all.

It was 400x less than the minimum standard for dectection at the lab. Meaning the lab only needed to be able to detect a level 400x higher to meet the WADA standard.

Reading comprehension is a good skill.

Logic says that if they discovered less than the amount necessary for a positive test there wouldnt be an issue at all. [/quote]

Ah. Damn. Thanks for pointing that out.

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
i’m not watching a sport without superhuman feats of athleticism. that shit sounds boring.[/quote]

I’m not watching Tour de France.

Unless they do it here instead of France and instead of riding bikes they play football.

Why didn’t that work!

I am so pro-steroids its ridiculous.

What the fuck is with people posting videos that open themselves. STOP IT.

Huh? Its not even showing for me, idgi. T-Nation is broken.

[quote]CapnYousef wrote:
Huh? Its not even showing for me, idgi. T-Nation is broken.[/quote]

Weird. It’s the second or third time someone’s posted a video that plays itself.

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
i’m not watching a sport without superhuman feats of athleticism. that shit sounds boring.[/quote]

I’m not watching Tour de France.

Unless they do it here instead of France and instead of riding bikes they play football.[/quote]

hahaha awesome