Torn Between Scylla and Charybdis

[quote]DSSG wrote:
For the sticking points: The old “raw people fail at the bottom” crap is BS. If you fail at the bottom of the bench it is because: 1. You aren’t staying tight 2. you lost scapula retraction 3. you didn’t tuck your elbows 4. you are touching the bar really fucking high 5. your back is pathetically weak

if you are weak at the bottom of a conventional deadlift: 1. You treat it like a squat, you don’t need to get to parallel 2. You aren’t staying tight in the bottom, you need your abs to be supporting you, or you won’t get off the floor. 3. you are over arching your back, and retracting your shoulders,

squat: 1. you are losing tension in the whole. 2. your mobility is awful. 3. you are not keeping your abs braced

That is not even an extensive list of reasons, and I tried my best to not call out on weak muscles. Also, belts actually help in the bottom.

I’ll get more later. But for now I need to sleep.[/quote]
No, failing at lockout on squat and bench is weird lol.

[quote]DSSG wrote:
For the sticking points: The old “raw people fail at the bottom” crap is BS. If you fail at the bottom of the bench it is because: 1. You aren’t staying tight 2. you lost scapula retraction 3. you didn’t tuck your elbows 4. you are touching the bar really fucking high 5. your back is pathetically weak

if you are weak at the bottom of a conventional deadlift: 1. You treat it like a squat, you don’t need to get to parallel 2. You aren’t staying tight in the bottom, you need your abs to be supporting you, or you won’t get off the floor. 3. you are over arching your back, and retracting your shoulders,

squat: 1. you are losing tension in the whole. 2. your mobility is awful. 3. you are not keeping your abs braced

That is not even an extensive list of reasons, and I tried my best to not call out on weak muscles. Also, belts actually help in the bottom.

I’ll get more later. But for now I need to sleep.[/quote]

I have a video of me doing some paused squats at 260 lbs. I will try to post it up.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
For the sticking points: The old “raw people fail at the bottom” crap is BS. If you fail at the bottom of the bench it is because: 1. You aren’t staying tight 2. you lost scapula retraction 3. you didn’t tuck your elbows 4. you are touching the bar really fucking high 5. your back is pathetically weak

if you are weak at the bottom of a conventional deadlift: 1. You treat it like a squat, you don’t need to get to parallel 2. You aren’t staying tight in the bottom, you need your abs to be supporting you, or you won’t get off the floor. 3. you are over arching your back, and retracting your shoulders,

squat: 1. you are losing tension in the whole. 2. your mobility is awful. 3. you are not keeping your abs braced

That is not even an extensive list of reasons, and I tried my best to not call out on weak muscles. Also, belts actually help in the bottom.

I’ll get more later. But for now I need to sleep.[/quote]
No, failing at lockout on squat and bench is weird lol.[/quote]
X2 with spar.

I think I need triceps and more hamstrings. I will try to video my other lifts sometime soon.

Spar, you know your fail video? That deadlift?

That is what I feel like my pull looks like. It comes up and then just gets stuck.

there’s no way doing a trap and grip workout like that consistently can’t work man. On that note, thanks for the reminder…I need to do farmers walks

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
there’s no way doing a trap and grip workout like that consistently can’t work man. On that note, thanks for the reminder…I need to do farmers walks[/quote]

My traps are on fire today haha. Hamstrings are sore too haha.

My forearms and grip feel fully recovered though. I would have sworn they would have been sore today.

[quote]trivium wrote:
I think I need triceps and more hamstrings. I will try to video my other lifts sometime soon.

Spar, you know your fail video? That deadlift?

That is what I feel like my pull looks like. It comes up and then just gets stuck.[/quote]
Deadlift is different. I can tell you that weakness is due to negligence on my part.

[quote]budreiser wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]DSSG wrote:
For the sticking points: The old “raw people fail at the bottom” crap is BS. If you fail at the bottom of the bench it is because: 1. You aren’t staying tight 2. you lost scapula retraction 3. you didn’t tuck your elbows 4. you are touching the bar really fucking high 5. your back is pathetically weak

if you are weak at the bottom of a conventional deadlift: 1. You treat it like a squat, you don’t need to get to parallel 2. You aren’t staying tight in the bottom, you need your abs to be supporting you, or you won’t get off the floor. 3. you are over arching your back, and retracting your shoulders,

squat: 1. you are losing tension in the whole. 2. your mobility is awful. 3. you are not keeping your abs braced

That is not even an extensive list of reasons, and I tried my best to not call out on weak muscles. Also, belts actually help in the bottom.

I’ll get more later. But for now I need to sleep.[/quote]
No, failing at lockout on squat and bench is weird lol.[/quote]
X2 with spar. [/quote]

I always fail reps at the lockout. I need to max sometime.

Maybe I will do a mock meet some day in the next few months.

I fail higher when I’m doing rep work vs when I’m doing a Max attempt.

[quote]budreiser wrote:
I fail higher when I’m doing rep work vs when I’m doing a Max attempt.[/quote]
Same here.

Good stuff here

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]budreiser wrote:
I fail higher when I’m doing rep work vs when I’m doing a Max attempt.[/quote]
Same here.[/quote]

I think it is because smaller muscles fatigue faster, but imagine if you were able to get those 2 or 3 extra reps because your lockout wasn’t holding you back. Sounds like new PR’s and more weight to me.

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]budreiser wrote:
I fail higher when I’m doing rep work vs when I’m doing a Max attempt.[/quote]
Same here.[/quote]

I think it is because smaller muscles fatigue faster, but imagine if you were able to get those 2 or 3 extra reps because your lockout wasn’t holding you back. Sounds like new PR’s and more weight to me.[/quote]
Not necessarily. Fatigue won’t showcase muscular weaknesses to the same degree as technical ones.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]budreiser wrote:
I fail higher when I’m doing rep work vs when I’m doing a Max attempt.[/quote]
Same here.[/quote]

I think it is because smaller muscles fatigue faster, but imagine if you were able to get those 2 or 3 extra reps because your lockout wasn’t holding you back. Sounds like new PR’s and more weight to me.[/quote]
Not necessarily. Fatigue won’t showcase muscular weaknesses to the same degree as technical ones.[/quote]

This is a good point. Again, I press with a bit more of a close grip to help keep my back tight, and my shoulders healthy. Plus I think I bench more with my hands in a bit.

Press
5x45
5x95
3x95
5x120
3x140
5x155 (Paused reps.)

Here is where shit hit the fan.

3x137.5 (I misloaded the bar. Forgot to add a 2.5 to the other side. L was heavier than the R. Paused reps.)
3x137.5 (I did the other side. R was heavier than the L. Paused reps.)
3x140 (Yeah, I just decided to do more reps. Paused.)
5x120 (These were rough reps. My left side felt like it was a bit weaker during these reps than the right.)

At this point in time someone asked me for the rack. The rack has the only chin up bar in the gym. What was I going to do? Deny them squats so I could do pull ups? (I thought about it.)

Dips
bodyweight for sets of 15/10

Took a break to try to wait for the rack. I watched this guy half squat 600 lbs in the most hardcore fashion I have ever seen, then rack the weight and talk shit about his awesome numbers. Someone else grabbed it after this.

Pull Ups (Shitty cable stack set up.)
bodyweight for sets of 9/5/4
(I don’t know what was up here. I may have already been worn out, or something. I don’t know. Felt off because of the weird bars. Couldn’t tell how far above the bar I was getting.)

I am going to do 25 more pull ups before I go to sleep tonight. I have a bar in the doorway to my room I will use. Haven’t used it in forever. It is hard to use a wider grip with this set up.

On a side note, I may take pull ups out of my program entirely. I may just do them as their own separate workout every day, and I may do a “pay the toll” type system. Every time I walk under the bar I have to rep out. I am tired of being stuck at 9 or 10 reps. Either that or I will rep out 3 times every workout. I’ve got to come up with something.

This was not my best workout. Not real happy with it. Had some elbow and wrist discomfort at various points throughout.

Lol nice pressing. Chaos training. You think when you’re having to press an angry wolf over your head it’s gonna be perfectly even? No sir. Good thinking. Train for performance.

[quote]csulli wrote:
Lol nice pressing. Chaos training. You think when you’re having to press an angry wolf over your head it’s gonna be perfectly even? No sir. Good thinking. Train for performance.[/quote]

Erm…YES! That was exactly what I was thinking. =]

Pull Ups
bodyweight for sets of 8/7/5/5/5/5

Still not satisfied.

I assume this is what being married feels like?

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]budreiser wrote:
I fail higher when I’m doing rep work vs when I’m doing a Max attempt.[/quote]
Same here.[/quote]

I think it is because smaller muscles fatigue faster, but imagine if you were able to get those 2 or 3 extra reps because your lockout wasn’t holding you back. Sounds like new PR’s and more weight to me.[/quote]
Not necessarily. Fatigue won’t showcase muscular weaknesses to the same degree as technical ones.[/quote]

This is a good point. Again, I press with a bit more of a close grip to help keep my back tight, and my shoulders healthy. Plus I think I bench more with my hands in a bit.[/quote]
I press almost exclusively close grip.

[quote]trivium wrote:
Pull Ups
bodyweight for sets of 8/7/5/5/5/5

Still not satisfied.

I assume this is what being married feels like?[/quote]

Based on my experience, being married rather feels like:

Bodyweight + 55 kg for sets of 20/20/20/20/20/20

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