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[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
What is most amazing to me…is that NASA is just now admitting what some people thousands of years ago already figured out…our own solar cycle better than we understand it now.

NASA denied this was much of a risk at all until after 2008…while they continued planning for it with airlines and sattelites.[/quote]

And I have no doubt they (NASA) know a lot more shit than they’re letting us onto.[/quote]

I think the moment they started talking to airlines about plans of action, it was already past time to worry.

People are still in the dark about this because of hubris. Yeah, the ancient civilzations were idiots.

Only they weren’t. They spent life times documenting what most of us didn’t even know about until a few years ago. I didn’t even know our own sun was on an 11 year cycle. This isn’t taught in school. It means they could use it as a calendar…and probably understood it better than some of our top scientists today.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bujo wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
The ONLY way this would work is if I was the only one that knew the end was near.
The biz of Church would go thru the roof. An Occult for ever block.

Gather all my family Brothers, Sisters, etc load up on ammo and reloading skills.
Head to that one spot my bother owns land, water. Set up watches.
Sit and wait for the end with loved ones and killing as few people as we can before the end.[/quote]

What if it was a solar flare? Your only ‘safe’ place would be deep underground.[/quote]

That’s what the magnetosphere is for. It’s managed to work pretty good for the last 4 billion years.
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Right…and according to the discovery channel show I linked before, all it takes is a direct hit from a solar flare to cause some major damage in terms of desctruction of sattelites and world wide black outs. We have simply lucked out that we have not been hit with a massive solar flare directly aimed at us in a long time. I believe the last one that could have knocked out all electrical activity on Earth was in the 1800’s before we had our lives ruled by technology.

Realistically speaking, the idea is more of a risk of loss of all power than the belief that the world will blow up.

Considering what that means to us today, no, I personally don’t take it lightly and I know that NASA is doing research into it.

I am just saying the “aw, nothing is gonna happen because ancient people were dumb” line doesn’t fit here. They weren’t stupid. They had the same brains as we do, just different experiences.

The loss of all satellites and power would fucking kill us. As a society. we literally depend on it to survive.[/quote]

Scientist are always saying crap like that. Solar Flare, gamma burst, meteor, 10% change in the Sun’s surface temperature, and all life on Earth goes bye-bye. Yet no extinction level event has occurred in the last couple hundred million years. That is a nice long run of “good luck”. or maybe something else is involved. Alien baby sitter, hand of God, the collective good will of humanity generated every Christmas day forming a giant force field… Who knows???

Personally, I don’t think our “End Of Days” is going to happen for another couple billion years. Basically, once the Sun starts to die and goes thru the nova process. We’re too young to die yet. We haven’t even invented a real, functioning Starship Enterprise. I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let humanity go extinct before we get space stewardesses in short short one piece mini-skirts and phaser pistols.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
I got the one on the right. You guys can figure out who kills the other 3 horsemen[/quote]

I’ll take the creepy fuck at the bottom.

And for everyone that believes ancient peoples knew more than we do now, that’s fucking stupid.

Just because a few dipshits moved some heavy rocks doesn’t mean they can see the future. They didn’t even figure out the whole ‘wash your hands’ thing.[/quote]

It’s not that they could see the future, consider that they figured out more than just a season cycle.

I’m not convinced that moving around 1000 ton rocks is something that ‘primitive’ cultures would
do. There is a lot more to it than that.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bujo wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
The ONLY way this would work is if I was the only one that knew the end was near.
The biz of Church would go thru the roof. An Occult for ever block.

Gather all my family Brothers, Sisters, etc load up on ammo and reloading skills.
Head to that one spot my bother owns land, water. Set up watches.
Sit and wait for the end with loved ones and killing as few people as we can before the end.[/quote]

What if it was a solar flare? Your only ‘safe’ place would be deep underground.[/quote]

That’s what the magnetosphere is for. It’s managed to work pretty good for the last 4 billion years.
[/quote]

Right…and according to the discovery channel show I linked before, all it takes is a direct hit from a solar flare to cause some major damage in terms of desctruction of sattelites and world wide black outs. We have simply lucked out that we have not been hit with a massive solar flare directly aimed at us in a long time. I believe the last one that could have knocked out all electrical activity on Earth was in the 1800’s before we had our lives ruled by technology.

Realistically speaking, the idea is more of a risk of loss of all power than the belief that the world will blow up.

Considering what that means to us today, no, I personally don’t take it lightly and I know that NASA is doing research into it.

I am just saying the “aw, nothing is gonna happen because ancient people were dumb” line doesn’t fit here. They weren’t stupid. They had the same brains as we do, just different experiences.

The loss of all satellites and power would fucking kill us. As a society. we literally depend on it to survive.[/quote]

Scientist are always saying crap like that. Solar Flare, gamma burst, meteor, 10% change in the Sun’s surface temperature, and all life on Earth goes bye-bye. Yet no extinction level event has occurred in the last couple hundred million years. That is a nice long run of “good luck”. or maybe something else is involved. Alien baby sitter, hand of God, the collective good will of humanity generated every Christmas day forming a giant force field… Who knows???

Personally, I don’t think our “End Of Days” is going to happen for another couple billion years. Basically, once the Sun starts to die and goes thru the nova process. We’re too young to die yet. We haven’t even invented a real, functioning Starship Enterprise. I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let humanity go extinct before we get space stewardesses in short short one piece mini-skirts and phaser pistols.[/quote]

I don’t understand this response. This isn’t about the “end of days” (A concept the non-religious seem to have an issue with). It is about what the fuck would YOU do if all of the lights went out and how long do you think you could make it?

I guess I just can’t understand blowing this off completely as if it isn’t a risk when scientists are now saying it is.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-break-speed-of-light-ndash-and-einsteins-laws-of-physics-2359568.html

The fact that even our law of physics may be flawed, is another example of how clueless we really may be.

Just because we live by a certain set of ‘rules’, doesn’t mean that they are correct. Much like we have lost touch with a huge amount of knowledge of the past, which we’re only starting to recover, their set of laws of nature may have varied hugely in contrast to ours. That’s why it’s plausible they had a much better understanding of the universe.

Imagine something like The Bible, as far fetched as a lot of it may be, actually contains some documented events that actually occurred way back when.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bujo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bujo wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
The ONLY way this would work is if I was the only one that knew the end was near.
The biz of Church would go thru the roof. An Occult for ever block.

Gather all my family Brothers, Sisters, etc load up on ammo and reloading skills.
Head to that one spot my bother owns land, water. Set up watches.
Sit and wait for the end with loved ones and killing as few people as we can before the end.[/quote]

What if it was a solar flare? Your only ‘safe’ place would be deep underground.[/quote]

That’s what the magnetosphere is for. It’s managed to work pretty good for the last 4 billion years.
[/quote]

Right…and according to the discovery channel show I linked before, all it takes is a direct hit from a solar flare to cause some major damage in terms of desctruction of sattelites and world wide black outs. We have simply lucked out that we have not been hit with a massive solar flare directly aimed at us in a long time. I believe the last one that could have knocked out all electrical activity on Earth was in the 1800’s before we had our lives ruled by technology.

Realistically speaking, the idea is more of a risk of loss of all power than the belief that the world will blow up.

Considering what that means to us today, no, I personally don’t take it lightly and I know that NASA is doing research into it.

I am just saying the “aw, nothing is gonna happen because ancient people were dumb” line doesn’t fit here. They weren’t stupid. They had the same brains as we do, just different experiences.

The loss of all satellites and power would fucking kill us. As a society. we literally depend on it to survive.[/quote]

Scientist are always saying crap like that. Solar Flare, gamma burst, meteor, 10% change in the Sun’s surface temperature, and all life on Earth goes bye-bye. Yet no extinction level event has occurred in the last couple hundred million years. That is a nice long run of “good luck”. or maybe something else is involved. Alien baby sitter, hand of God, the collective good will of humanity generated every Christmas day forming a giant force field… Who knows???

Personally, I don’t think our “End Of Days” is going to happen for another couple billion years. Basically, once the Sun starts to die and goes thru the nova process. We’re too young to die yet. We haven’t even invented a real, functioning Starship Enterprise. I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let humanity go extinct before we get space stewardesses in short short one piece mini-skirts and phaser pistols.[/quote]

I don’t understand this response. This isn’t about the “end of days” (A concept the non-religious seem to have an issue with). It is about what the fuck would YOU do if all of the lights went out and how long do you think you could make it?

I guess I just can’t understand blowing this off completely as if it isn’t a risk when scientists are now saying it is.
[/quote]

I’m going to have to ask that you stop derailing this thread. Can we please get back to discussing intergalactic poontang and slutty space stewardesses?

Thank you.

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I’m just glad that it’s 2011 and 2012 is not far away.

Remember the pastor that said the world was going to end back on May 21st? The great thing about that shit was that it was news about 2 weeks before that date so we didn’t have to listen to dumb shit for too long.

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Personally, I would have no trouble surviving without electricity indefinitely. By that I mean I can hunt and fish for food, no problem. Something that does come to mind is; what if I need medical attention? Antibiotics and whatnot. What if I get bitten by a snake while out hunting? Life would certainly become more… interesting.

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I have to laugh at the people who are fascinated at the ancient stone buildings and wondering how it was possible for them to be built…

You should take a trip to the kennedy space centre in florida and gaze at the Saturn V rocket (which was made 40 years ago) - just think of the poor quality computers and calculators they used to configure the millions of parts that went together to make that.

Seriously, if half of the people spent more time with physics/engineering and less with sports and the TV a lot more shit would get done.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Personally, I would have no trouble surviving without electricity indefinitely. By that I mean I can hunt and fish for food, no problem. Something that does come to mind is; what if I need medical attention? Antibiotics and whatnot. What if I get bitten by a snake while out hunting? Life would certainly become more… interesting.[/quote]

What if I can’t search in google for answers for mundane questions?

I will not survive for more than three days.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Personally, I would have no trouble surviving without electricity indefinitely. By that I mean I can hunt and fish for food, no problem. Something that does come to mind is; what if I need medical attention? Antibiotics and whatnot. What if I get bitten by a snake while out hunting? Life would certainly become more… interesting.[/quote]

What if I can’t search in google for answers for mundane questions?

I will not survive for more than three days. [/quote]

I truly envy ythe faith in humanity you young guys have. I have lived in many places and been in many countries. It’s not food, water or loss of electric power that I worry about. It how the billions of humans would react to it.

It’s one thing to lose all the items above but once we lose our ability to communicate we are fucked. I’ve seen brawls break out in a food line when the people giving the food lost the translator and the guys in the back thought we were out of food, instead of just changing trucks.

No radio, tv cell phone is help coming? You can hunt and fish that’s smart. But know you have 200 scared dumb fucks running thru the woods for food scaring game away. People move from the cities to your nice out the way spot shitting in your water supply

People scared people. Most people don’t know the guy next door but you think he can trust you when the Poo Really hits the fan.

If nothing else I know my neighbors enough to organize awhile. Not sure how long it would last when food an water is gone.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Personally, I would have no trouble surviving without electricity indefinitely. By that I mean I can hunt and fish for food, no problem. Something that does come to mind is; what if I need medical attention? Antibiotics and whatnot. What if I get bitten by a snake while out hunting? Life would certainly become more… interesting.[/quote]

What if I can’t search in google for answers for mundane questions?

I will not survive for more than three days. [/quote]

I truly envy ythe faith in humanity you young guys have. I have lived in many places and been in many countries. It’s not food, water or loss of electric power that I worry about. It how the billions of humans would react to it.

It’s one thing to lose all the items above but once we lose our ability to communicate we are fucked. I’ve seen brawls break out in a food line when the people giving the food lost the translator and the guys in the back thought we were out of food, instead of just changing trucks.

No radio, tv cell phone is help coming? You can hunt and fish that’s smart. But know you have 200 scared dumb fucks running thru the woods for food scaring game away. People move from the cities to your nice out the way spot shitting in your water supply

People scared people. Most people don’t know the guy next door but you think he can trust you when the Poo Really hits the fan.

If nothing else I know my neighbors enough to organize awhile. Not sure how long it would last when food an water is gone. [/quote]

Exactly this.

Great…fish where? You mean, in the same fishing holes the other 5 million people in the city will rush for?

Gas? Gas where? You won’t be pumping gas without any electricity and no gas trucks will be coming.

Groceries? You mean at the stores that will be wiped clean by panic at the last minute? This one has a little more pull than the “Y2K bug”, especially if it actually happens.

People are insane in large groups when panicked…which means you only survive by getting away from them…by getting to areas they don’t already know about.

The average person here doesn’t even memorize anyone else’s phone numbers anymore because it is all in your cell phone. Most would be screwed beyond belief if they had to go even one week without internet, cell phone or tv. Most don’t even own a fucking battery powered radio and wouldn’t even know how to use one.

I mean, yeah, it is great to make fun of this shit over and over.

My question is, what happens when/if people stop laughing?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Personally, I would have no trouble surviving without electricity indefinitely. By that I mean I can hunt and fish for food, no problem. Something that does come to mind is; what if I need medical attention? Antibiotics and whatnot. What if I get bitten by a snake while out hunting? Life would certainly become more… interesting.[/quote]

What if I can’t search in google for answers for mundane questions?

I will not survive for more than three days. [/quote]

I truly envy ythe faith in humanity you young guys have. I have lived in many places and been in many countries. It’s not food, water or loss of electric power that I worry about. It how the billions of humans would react to it.

It’s one thing to lose all the items above but once we lose our ability to communicate we are fucked. I’ve seen brawls break out in a food line when the people giving the food lost the translator and the guys in the back thought we were out of food, instead of just changing trucks.

No radio, tv cell phone is help coming? You can hunt and fish that’s smart. But know you have 200 scared dumb fucks running thru the woods for food scaring game away. People move from the cities to your nice out the way spot shitting in your water supply

People scared people. Most people don’t know the guy next door but you think he can trust you when the Poo Really hits the fan.

If nothing else I know my neighbors enough to organize awhile. Not sure how long it would last when food an water is gone. [/quote]

I have faith in my ability to survive on my own. There are but a few thousand people living on these islands of mine. I know places in the mountains where I will find fresh water and game, and I’m a trained navigator/mariner. Small sailboats are easy to handle, though the sail makes you kind of conspicuous -lol. For large amounts of people to get here, they would need ships. I’m pretty sure my community would be quick to destroy the bridges.

My strategy would be to avoid other people as much as possible. It’s not like I’ve never given this any thought. However, keeping a family safe would be a nightmare, they would probably be better off banding together with their church congregation or something.

Totally agree with Heath Ledgers Joker: “You see, their morals, their code, it’s a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the world allows them to be. I’ll show you. When the chips are down, these… these civilized people, they’ll eat each other. See, I’m not a monster. I’m just ahead of the curve.”

It’s tantalizing to think about, I’ve always enjoyed these kind of Aftermath scenarios :slight_smile:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Only they weren’t. They spent life times documenting what most of us didn’t even know about until a few years ago. I didn’t even know our own sun was on an 11 year cycle. This isn’t taught in school. It means they could use it as a calendar…and probably understood it better than some of our top scientists today.[/quote]

I won’t argue the point that the general population, as a whole, is probably more ignorant about its natural surroundings and events more than any other point in history (or pre-history).

However, solar cycles are taught/covered in earth sciences curricula in colleges and (some) HS (as well as water cycle, lunar cycle, rock cycle, blah blah).

I know you’re fond of suggesting folks pick up basic biology and anatomy books to learn about their bodies. It’s the same about the physical world and universe around you- basic earth science, geology, and physical geography books.

I don’t know that they would have ‘understood it better than some of our top scientists today’, but it’s probably fair to say from a societal perspective, it meant more in their culture and daily lives. Not many people care too much about solstices and equinoxes (ie. earth orbital cycles), but back when you lived and died about getting your seeds in the ground or started your migration on time.

As technology and society’s have become more ‘advanced’ (I use “advanced” loosely with today’s populations), I think people have generally become desensitized to a lot of natural phenomena.

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Those of you that live in countries with huge populations might not be able to appreciate how much space there is to get lost in for some of us. I don’t know. We need some Canadians ITT. lol

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Only they weren’t. They spent life times documenting what most of us didn’t even know about until a few years ago. I didn’t even know our own sun was on an 11 year cycle. This isn’t taught in school. It means they could use it as a calendar…and probably understood it better than some of our top scientists today.[/quote]

I won’t argue the point that the general population, as a whole, is probably more ignorant about its natural surroundings and events more than any other point in history (or pre-history).

However, solar cycles are taught/covered in earth sciences curricula in colleges and (some) HS (as well as water cycle, lunar cycle, rock cycle, blah blah).

I know you’re fond of suggesting folks pick up basic biology and anatomy books to learn about their bodies. It’s the same about the physical world and universe around you- basic earth science, geology, and physical geography books.

I don’t know that they would have ‘understood it better than some of our top scientists today’, but it’s probably fair to say from a societal perspective, it meant more in their culture and daily lives. Not many people care too much about solstices and equinoxes (ie. earth orbital cycles), but back when you lived and died about getting your seeds in the ground or started your migration on time.

As technology and society’s have become more ‘advanced’ (I use “advanced” loosely with today’s populations), I think people have generally become desensitized to a lot of natural phenomena. [/quote]

I agree. I was relating that to how people act as if people back then were idiots…as if people wouldn’t say the same about us 1,000 years from now if we last that long.

I am also speaking of common knowledge. I don’t remember being taught advanced info about the sun other than the basics. The activity of sunspots and what that meant to us wasn’t covered in detail. I can find the info easily now myself (and do), but that is because I seek it out.

The average person on the street does not know this…while, like you said, I am betting this was common info to a farmer thousands of years ago.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Those of you that live in countries with huge populations might not be able to appreciate how much space there is to get lost in for some of us. I don’t know. We need some Canadians ITT. lol[/quote]

It isn’t that. Large areas of Texas are still empty. The problem is, these are the same places everyone else will go as well if the city is fucked. We just saw this with the last hurricane scare.

There are millions of people in this city. Hell, getting out of the city alone would be a fight. I was in the military at the time, but I had family members tell me they were in traffic for several hours just to leave the city when that happened.

Imagine if ALL CITIES were emptying like that at the same time.

Yeah, I could probably survive on my own as well. But that isn’t the biggest problem.

If Walking Dead has taught nothing…your biggest problem is other people…not just the lack of resources.

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Those of you that live in countries with huge populations might not be able to appreciate how much space there is to get lost in for some of us. I don’t know. We need some Canadians ITT. lol[/quote]

Islands are a great option. I was shocked however to find out how much food is shipped in to islands. Many islands would need to lose half it’s population in order to sustain itself without outside food sources.

I do not believe in the 2011 thing. But the earth has shifted and been hit by asteroids in the past and will again. My biggest worry is how many humans live on this rock. Will not take much to push us over the edge.

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…OH, and it’s a good thing we are seeing less testosterone and less aggression in men. Those types will be easy to pick off…especially since skinny jeans don’t allow you to run very fast.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Those of you that live in countries with huge populations might not be able to appreciate how much space there is to get lost in for some of us. I don’t know. We need some Canadians ITT. lol[/quote]

It isn’t that. Large areas of Texas are still empty. The problem is, these are the same places everyone else will go as well if the city is fucked. We just saw this with the last hurricane scare.

There are millions of people in this city. Hell, getting out of the city alone would be a fight. I was in the military at the time, but I had family members tell me they were in traffic for several hours just to leave the city when that happened.

Imagine if ALL CITIES were emptying like that at the same time.

Yeah, I could probably survive on my own as well. But that isn’t the biggest problem.

If Walking Dead has taught nothing…your biggest problem is other people…not just the lack of resources.[/quote]

Agreed. I think what you may see is smaller towns closing their roads and resources to outsiders to stay as safe as possible. In fact, Im sure some would shoot civilians on site due to the massive numbers they will see coming from the cities. Its hard to fathom that occurring but 95% of the population wont give a rats ass about others; unless it benefits them in any way.