Even if it’s oxidized or not,your body still needs a certain amount of cholesterol or else it will start producing it’s own.
Yes,thats right.
People actually have high cholesterol levels when they never touch cholesterol in their diet.
Yes,your body doesn’t have receptors for yolk thats not oxidized,but when I cook my eggs they’re sunny side up.That means the whites are gently fried and the yolk is still runny.
The yolk isn’t cooked,just a little warm.
[quote]PaleoMuscle wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Cholesterol does not make your cholestrol level go up.
In fact,the yolk in eggs can lower your cholesterol.
The yolk can also raise your cholesterol if it’s oxidized. This is how the entire “hype” started that eggs are bad for you. It was based on a study a long time ago on powdered eggs, not whole fresh eggs. It contained tonnes of oxycholesterol.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, I don’t read every post or even most of these posts. I can tell you, however, that I would see the word “eggs” on a page easily before I decided yet another thread was needed on a topic that must get asked once a week. No one is even saying that there is anything wrong with asking the question. What IS being said is that the little “search” function seems to go completely unused and you all want to throw a fit anytime someone directs your attention back to it.[/quote]
Well I thought I did use the search function but you’re right I didn’t see the other post when it was probably right there on the same screen. Compared to how much I have read on this site I have posted very little. I pretty much always search for an existing discussion of a topic instead of posting, which is why I threw a fit to your remark. I think you’re right that it would help if more people respected the search function.
[quote]Beyond that, one simple fact needs to be understood when looking for specifics in science related to bodybuilding. Science doesn’t give a shit about bodybuilding or weight lifting as a whole. Very FEW studies are done related directly to the way we eat, train or live. That means you won’t find any studies done on people who eat 10-12 eggs for breakfast because the guys in white lab coats can’t even comprehend anyone eating that way regularly for a life time without there being some disease process involved.
The same goes for looking for direct parallels between scientific studies and protein intake, overall food intake, or body changes related to training specifically.[/quote]
Good point! I think that after all of the research on more specific aspects of exercise related nutrition such as insulin, creatine, omega 3’s, etc, that I, and likely many others, assume that this level of research exists in a much broader sense when it really doesn’t.
When it comes to dietary cholesterol I can’t help but wonder if it’s actually beneficial. Afterall, it is the precursor to our hormones.
I agree that the relationship between cholesterol and heart disease is actually very weak. I can’t believe how much the world has completely accepted the idea. While I think there may be a relationship there I don’t think it’s worth using any of these cholesterol lowering drugs out there.
Lowering your “bad” (LDL) cholesterol with statin drugs may not reduce the rate at which plaque builds up in the arteries surrounding the heart, according to a study.
Researchers concluded that the commonly held belief that lower cholesterol is better does not extend to the reversal of calcified plaque progression.
American Journal of Cardiology August 1, 2003;92(3):334-6
Thats great!
Just NEVER eat raw egg whites alone.
Always eat raw eggs whole.
[quote]Big Dan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
When people ask the same question on the same day and the other thread is still on the same page, it is clear that the person asking the questions does ZERO reading on their own.
Actually I read this site a lot. I basically knew most of these facts years ago as I’ve been reading this site since I was a freshman in college. That was 4 years ago; I’ve just been a lurker. I have already read that you eat that many eggs and wanted opinions from other people. That said, excuse me if I don’t have the time you do to read every post.
I asked the question because I want to be sure that there aren’t negative effects from a very large amount of eggs. I’ve never been concerned over having them now and again. But when the amount reaches 12-16 eggs and 2 scoops of egg protein powder a day for 365 days straight I wonder if it could be a problem.
By the way, I’ve found the easiest way to eat that many eggs is to use a blender. I’ve been eating 1 solid food meal w/ eggs each day and one or two smoothies w/ eggs. Quickly cook up 6 eggs, then add the eggs, water, peanut butter, olive oil, and a couple frozen strawberries to the blender. It’s pretty easy and doesn’t taste half bad. I only barely cook the eggs and from what Dr. Berardi has said I think cooked eggs are absorbed better than raw.[/quote]
[quote]Big Dan wrote:
Ah, so you’re saying that depending on the person dietary cholesterol can become an issue.
Anyway I don’t look like my avatar. I just think that’s funny. I’m 22 with a fairly average height / weight of 6’ and 185 lbs. I train about 3 to 4 times a week. I’ve never had any history of high cholesterol. I’m looking to bulk without paying an arm and a leg on food (just entered Grad school and living on a research assistantship).[/quote]
high cholesterol bull shit, eat your eggs theyll do you no harm, search uffe ravnskoff in google for cholesterol myths.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PaleoMuscle wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PaleoMuscle wrote:
The yolk can also raise your cholesterol if it’s oxidized.
Prove this.
You’re going to have to do the research yourself, but it is out there. I just don’t have the time to back through what i’ve ready studied.
I do research on thsi topic and have never seen anything related to this. As such, I will call your comment “bullshit” until you prove it. Why would oxidation alone cause cholesterol to suddenly have a direct effect on blood cholesterol levels?[/quote]
That’s fine. But if you get a chance look up the studies that made them think dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol – it was powdered eggs they were using with oxidized oxycholesterol. But regardless, whatever.
[quote]PaleoMuscle wrote:
That’s fine. But if you get a chance look up the studies that made them think dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol – it was powdered eggs they were using with oxidized oxycholesterol. But regardless, whatever.
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That doesn’t mean that oxidation causes an increase in blood cholesterol levels. You think that current studies aren’t using cooked eggs? Was this a joke post? Do you honestly run around making huge leaps to conclusions with no basis off of a poor understanding of a study?
[quote]PaleoMuscle wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Thats great!
Just NEVER eat raw egg whites alone.
Always eat raw eggs whole.
Or eat the raw egg yolk alone and cook the white.
Or do what I do and put the egg in boiling water for 90 seconds to destroy the avidin and then put the egg in the blender with shake.
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Pretty much same thing.
The point is to never seperate the egg and to always eat it whole when consuming it raw.
If you buy organic eggs you won’t have to worry about getting sick when consuming them,along with all the other benefits.
[quote]PaleoMuscle wrote:
Hog Ear wrote:
I had high cholesterol 3 years ago, started eating 12 whole eggs/day and my level is now in the healthy range. Don’t let eggs scare you.
that’s not surprising considering if your diet isn’t adequate in cholesterol the liver produces more in responses (maybe too much?).
Just curious, the 12 whole eggs/day – how did you eat them? Just want to establish any correlation between oxycholesterol and high blood cholesterol levels which seems to be the case.
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I always fry my eggs in coconut oil- I scramble them and try to not overcook em. The natural coconut oil gives a nice tropical flavor. Often I throw in curry, onions, and sweet peppers.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PaleoMuscle wrote:
That’s fine. But if you get a chance look up the studies that made them think dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol – it was powdered eggs they were using with oxidized oxycholesterol. But regardless, whatever.
That doesn’t mean that oxidation causes an increase in blood cholesterol levels. You think that current studies aren’t using cooked eggs? Was this a joke post? Do you honestly run around making huge leaps to conclusions with no basis off of a poor understanding of a study?[/quote]
Look buddy, look it up yourself – oxidized cholesterol is NOT good for the body!
Pretty much same thing.
The point is to never seperate the egg and to always eat it whole when consuming it raw.
If you buy organic eggs you won’t have to worry about getting sick when consuming them,along with all the other benefits.
Cthulhu[/quote]
I disagree. Is there ever a good time to eat raw white even if the yolk is attached? The avidin will still bind to the biotin. But I guess you’re implying that there is so much biotin in the yolk that it wouldn’t matter? I still only eat my egg yolks raw WITHOUT the whites. The whites can be saved for cooking or at least heating.
[quote]PaleoMuscle wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PaleoMuscle wrote:
That’s fine. But if you get a chance look up the studies that made them think dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol – it was powdered eggs they were using with oxidized oxycholesterol. But regardless, whatever.
That doesn’t mean that oxidation causes an increase in blood cholesterol levels. You think that current studies aren’t using cooked eggs? Was this a joke post? Do you honestly run around making huge leaps to conclusions with no basis off of a poor understanding of a study?
Look buddy, look it up yourself – oxidized cholesterol is NOT good for the body!
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No, oxidized cholesterol in itself is not good for the body, however, where is any proof that a healthy individual would end up with high cholesterol levels simply because they cooked their eggs? Simply because there is one fact known, it doesn’t mean it closes the book on how the human body deals it. Stress alone can cause your own body to oxidize cholesterol. Judging by the exclamation point in your last post, you just did more damage than an egg.
Uffe Ravnskov, well known expert on cholesterol, and author of the book, “Cholesterol Myths”, writes “The idea about oxidized cholesterol is yet another myth used to explain away the many studies that have failed to find an association between high cholesterol and CVD. Oxidized cholesterol is a risk factor only, probably reflecting lack of antioxidants or excess of free radicals in your body. The amount of oxidized cholesterol produced by heating eggs is trivial. And the main cause of an imbalance between omega 3 and omega 6 is a high consumption of vegetable oils from corn and sunflowers.”
[quote]The researchers controlled experimental conditions to specifically look at egg phospholipid and its effect on cholesterol absorption. Even though a good amount of cholesterol is consumed when an egg is eaten, much of the cholesterol becomes “unavailable for absorption” in the presence of the phospholipid, Koo said.
“This may be a reason why so many studies found no association between egg intake and blood cholesterol,” he said. The phospholipid, or lecithin, found in egg markedly inhibits the cholesterol absorption. The inhibition is not 100 percent, he said. Some cholesterol is absorbed but the amount is significantly reduced in the presence of this phospholipid.
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In other words, Paleo, it is a jump to conclusions to assume that because some studies show “oxidized cholesterol” to be bad that cooking eggs causes this to be bad in the human body. One does not always equal the other, especially in human physiology.
[quote]Hog Ear wrote:
I can only speak for myself when I say that over the last 3 years I’ve eaten a lot of cooked whole eggs, and my lipid profile has improved. [/quote]
My cholesterol levels are just fine and I know for a fact I eat more eggs than most people. I think that research I just posted may explain this to a degree. Eggs may be in their own category with regards to how the body deals with their cholesterol.
No, oxidized cholesterol in itself is not good for the body, however, where is any proof that a healthy individual would end up with high cholesterol levels simply because they cooked their eggs?
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There isn’t any.
True enough.
Hahaha…good point!
I actually remember reading that now that you’ve brought it to my attention but completely forgot about it. You make some valid points and have made me re-think things. I did look into both sides but I guess just inconclusively figured that oxycholesterol was harmful no matter what the present health status of the person. As you say, there is no proof that it is harmful, so what do I do? I guess balance is the key…not worry about it too much…but also keep it in mind. If you have consumed (and others) high amounts of eggs by frying, cooking, whatever (hell even powdered eggs), and have had no increase in cholesterol, then that may be enough proof.
Hmmmm…I was always afraid of whole egg powder for this reason. Maybe I might change my mind on this.
The researchers controlled experimental conditions to specifically look at egg phospholipid and its effect on cholesterol absorption. Even though a good amount of cholesterol is consumed when an egg is eaten, much of the cholesterol becomes “unavailable for absorption” in the presence of the phospholipid, Koo said.
“This may be a reason why so many studies found no association between egg intake and blood cholesterol,” he said. The phospholipid, or lecithin, found in egg markedly inhibits the cholesterol absorption. The inhibition is not 100 percent, he said. Some cholesterol is absorbed but the amount is significantly reduced in the presence of this phospholipid.
In other words, Paleo, it is a jump to conclusions to assume that because some studies show “oxidized cholesterol” to be bad that cooking eggs causes this to be bad in the human body. One does not always equal the other, especially in human physiology.[/quote]
Yes.
Eating egg yolks alone isn’t a problem.Just try switch it up a little bit.
Like egg yolks one day,then whites the next.Remember that the biotin loss occurs in your digestive tract when the two molecules bond together before it is even absorbed. Eating the yolk and the white separately will greatly reduce the problem
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[quote]PaleoMuscle wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Pretty much same thing.
The point is to never seperate the egg and to always eat it whole when consuming it raw.
If you buy organic eggs you won’t have to worry about getting sick when consuming them,along with all the other benefits.
Cthulhu
I disagree. Is there ever a good time to eat raw white even if the yolk is attached? The avidin will still bind to the biotin. But I guess you’re implying that there is so much biotin in the yolk that it wouldn’t matter? I still only eat my egg yolks raw WITHOUT the whites. The whites can be saved for cooking or at least heating.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Yes.
Eating egg yolks alone isn’t a problem.Just try switch it up a little bit.
Like egg yolks one day,then whites the next.Remember that the biotin loss occurs in your digestive tract when the two molecules bond together before it is even absorbed. Eating the yolk and the white separately will greatly reduce the problem
.
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I thought whites alone was the worst (raw)? And should never be done. I’m starting to do more whole egg raw. This morning this shake kept me full for over 6 hours! Probably from slow digestion?
2 cups water
1/4 cup mixed berries
small chunk creamed coconut
1 tspn coconut oil
1/4 coconut milk
2 whole eggs
I know, ALOT of fat, but I like it that way. Not much protein but i think the “quality” beats quantity.
