Too Fat to Graduate?

Some work should really be done to fix things at a younger age. I remember taking health and PE class in high school and middle school, and the material taught was the USDA bullshit recommendations. It screwed me up for the longest time, trying to live a ‘healthy’ lifestyle and I was just falling prey to bad science and marketing for soy burgers and soy milk and all this other crap that people who don’t know any better think is healthy.

Forcing fat students to learn some more worthless, uneffective methods to lose weight and be ‘healthier’ is a waste. The end product of what they are teaching is skinny, weak, and hormonally deranged males.

The first step would be coming up with valid, useful material to teach these individuals, but nobody can agree on it and it leads to stupid arguments about functional training, obsessive eating habits and what not, so until there is a commonly accepted standard for health and physical fitness, nothing will change.

And I agree, that although there is a definite problem with obesity in this country, requiring somebody who is large but not terribly obese to do something others don’t have to do is discriminatory; Make them all take the class.

[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
SSC wrote:
bozbot wrote:
SSC wrote:
Absolute shit.

While we’re at it, we should also not let people graduate until they have blonde hair and blue eyes.

people cant help what hair and eye color they are born with. being a fat lazy fuck is a lifestyle choice.

horrible arguement.

you’re probably one of those people who argues against gym class in grade school.

and people wonder why america is becoming so obese

You’re probably one of those people who makes illogical conclusions because you’re a fucking idiot.

Discrimination is wrong whether you’re fat, stinky, tall, Asian, retarded, or whatever.

And people wonder why America is considered to be less intelligent than other nations.

His statement was more logical than yours.
So, you have no problem with: fat cops/firemen, retarded teachers/cops/firemen/soldiers, etc?[/quote]

LOL… this argument has so many holes in it I don’t even know where to begin. Let me try…

First of all, to equate a mentally retarded school teacher, cop, fireman, or soldier to the same standard as an OVERWEIGHT college kid is morally irresponsible and incredibly ignorant. It’s a try to play with words to prove a point, but it’s just a totaly fallacy. Give me a break, dude.

Fat cops and firemen. Again - clever way to use a very selective audience to make your argument. As long as the said cop or fireman does not let his or her physique issues manifest themselves in such a way that compromises their job, why the fuck SHOULDN’T they be allowed to? It’s a choice. Just like bodybuilding is a choice. Would you like it if you couldn’t become graduate with a Political Science degree if your arms were over 18"?

It’s unfortunate your argument can be discarded so easily, as you’re missing a large portion of the population and the concept of social control.

First, I’m not sure why a CPA would have to be in shape to perform his or her duty. I can’t think of any pilots that would benefit any more from being in shape. Same with a sports writer. Or perhaps a novelist. Maybe even a school teacher. Engineers probably don’t need to be in shape, nor do psychologists. I could continue, if you want me to.

Now before you get all huffy, yes, everyone benefits from a healthier society. That’s why we have an inevitable Fat Tax on its way. This is the government’s way of systemically depriving people of the accessibility of their poor lifestyles.

The fact that a school discriminates against its students in such a manner is in the same vein as a college not allowing a student who doesn’t shower to graduate. Yeah, it’s unpleasant, but it’s their choice, and no one else has the right to dictate the autonomy of another being.

wow

the more time passes the more I realised that college and educational organisation in general these days is bullshit. I wish we could go back couple of decades ago when they didnt make science class that diluated and easy peasy for everyone. Just now what I am studying we are skipping so much stuff it’s mind boggling. I could not open my book I would pass. Instead I choose to give effort and I got 100% in my last 3 exams. wtf

All this ‘‘I wanna go to university’’ sociology, political science, music and liberal art stuff is pissing me off. I mean if you wanna get into music don’t go to schoool you fucking idiot sit your ass on a chair on start working hard.

And now I hear in US these is bullshit competition to get into college, you have to do community service…what’s next? Who licks ball the best and take themselves the most seriously?
Fuck off

Only you’re forgetting that you grouped “fat, stinky, tall, Asian, retarded, or whatever.” into the same group, not me. I didn’t equate a retarded cop/etc to an overweight college kid. I equated overweight cop/etc, to an overweight college kid.
Who’s playing on words here?
But I’m not even gonna waste my time and elaborate, as you said that you don’t see how people in different professions would benefit more from not being fat. EVERYONE can benefit from not being fat/being in shape.
Carry on now

[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Only you’re forgetting that you grouped “fat, stinky, tall, Asian, retarded, or whatever.” into the same group, not me.[/quote]

Apparently I have to phrase things in such a manner so it’s easier to understand;

Ahem.

Discrimination is wrong, no matter what your age, skin color, sexual preference, or physical appearance is. Case closed.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
dude holy shit. my pic is on your shirt. that’s gangster as fuck.

agree that it’s bullshit.

i think they should continue to use BMI. i like miserably failing BMI tests and then ppl see me in person.[/quote]

Yeah I was hoping you’d notice (phase 2 of my devious MMF plan is now in action).

From what I understood, the requirement is for anyone with a BMI of 30 or over to take 3 hours of fitness classes a week. They must complete the class. There is no requirement for them to lose weight, to get fitter or anything. I mean, if they were fat asses to begin, then the additional exercise will definitely allow them to lose weight and get fit, but that is not a requirement of the course!

So that being said, I am in favour of the idea of having EVERYONE do it. But to also have equivalents. There’s no point in making a varsity athlete take another 3 hours of gym. Or someone who actively participates in club sports.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
wow

the more time passes the more I realised that college and educational organisation in general these days is bullshit. I wish we could go back couple of decades ago when they didnt make science class that diluated and easy peasy for everyone. Just now what I am studying we are skipping so much stuff it’s mind boggling. I could not open my book I would pass. Instead I choose to give effort and I got 100% in my last 3 exams. wtf

All this ‘‘I wanna go to university’’ sociology, political science, music and liberal art stuff is pissing me off. I mean if you wanna get into music don’t go to schoool you fucking idiot sit your ass on a chair on start working hard.

And now I hear in US these is bullshit competition to get into college, you have to do community service…what’s next? Who licks ball the best and take themselves the most seriously?
Fuck off[/quote]

Go to a better school… not all colleges are treated equally. You made the choice to go to the easier/lackluster one. And you don’t have to do community service to get into school… it just helps… I didn’t do any community service and I was fine, got into 4/6 schools. Also do you even understand what people that go to school for music even do?.. or any of those majors… School isn’t just about the material learned. Different people also have different goals.

Great idea, to make that requirement! That is NOT discriminatory, that is very similar to what happens in the military. To get in, there are certain minimum physical requirements that need to be achieved(some of you know this better than i). With obesity rates climbing ever higher, making it a requirement to take a 1-2 credit class for a semester, of which they were notified in advance that would happen if they didn’t meet the minimum requirement, is a great idea.

[quote]SSC wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
SSC wrote:
bozbot wrote:
SSC wrote:
Absolute shit.

While we’re at it, we should also not let people graduate until they have blonde hair and blue eyes.

people cant help what hair and eye color they are born with. being a fat lazy fuck is a lifestyle choice.

horrible arguement.

you’re probably one of those people who argues against gym class in grade school.

and people wonder why america is becoming so obese

You’re probably one of those people who makes illogical conclusions because you’re a fucking idiot.

Discrimination is wrong whether you’re fat, stinky, tall, Asian, retarded, or whatever.

And people wonder why America is considered to be less intelligent than other nations.

His statement was more logical than yours.
So, you have no problem with: fat cops/firemen, retarded teachers/cops/firemen/soldiers, etc?

LOL… this argument has so many holes in it I don’t even know where to begin. Let me try…

First of all, to equate a mentally retarded school teacher, cop, fireman, or soldier to the same standard as an OVERWEIGHT college kid is morally irresponsible and incredibly ignorant. [/quote]Interesting, considering you are the one that did it. [quote] It’s a try to play with words to prove a point, but it’s just a totaly fallacy. Give me a break, dude.

Fat cops and firemen. Again - clever way to use a very selective audience to make your argument. As long as the said cop or fireman does not let his or her physique issues manifest themselves in such a way that compromises their job, why the fuck SHOULDN’T they be allowed to? [/quote] It is still discrimination either way. Which you said was always bad.[quote] It’s a choice. Just like bodybuilding is a choice. Would you like it if you couldn’t become graduate with a Political Science degree if your arms were over 18"?

It’s unfortunate your argument can be discarded so easily, as you’re missing a large portion of the population and the concept of social control.

First, I’m not sure why a CPA would have to be in shape to perform his or her duty. I can’t think of any pilots that would benefit any more from being in shape. Same with a sports writer. Or perhaps a novelist. Maybe even a school teacher. Engineers probably don’t need to be in shape, nor do psychologists. I could continue, if you want me to. [/quote] Just to point out a couple of things here:
First, what you are doing here is discrimination.

2, depending on the specifics of an engineering position, parts of the job can be very physical.

3, physically healthy individuals make better employees for a wide range of reasons. Sick less often, more energy/focus, better mental health, est. est. est. This stuff applies even to CPAs.[quote]

Now before you get all huffy, yes, everyone benefits from a healthier society. That’s why we have an inevitable Fat Tax on its way. This is the government’s way of systemically depriving people of the accessibility of their poor lifestyles.

[/quote]
I would place a bet that it will do no such thing. It will be like all the other vice taxes.

[quote]

The fact that a school discriminates against its students in such a manner is in the same vein as a college not allowing a student who doesn’t shower to graduate. Yeah, it’s unpleasant, but it’s their choice, and no one else has the right to dictate the autonomy of another being.[/quote]

If a student didnâ??t maintain a reasonable level of hygiene, Iâ??d like to think heâ??d get kicked out of class rooms. It would be unfair to the other students and a distraction from learning. So if a student never showered, Iâ??d like to think he wouldnâ??t graduate.

It is a schools right and duty to attempt to produce the best prepared student possible. If they feel that a basic level of fitness should be included, thatâ??s absolutely their right.

Iâ??m an engineer, they made me take a history class in school. It honestly has as little to do with my particular major as fitness, but the school thought a basic class in world history is something every student should take. That is their right.

[quote]elano wrote:
This is wrong.[/quote]

Yup, agree. It’s the school’s right and I can’t complain, but I hope this doesn’t become widespread.

True story, yesterday at the gym I saw some kid who I thought was just a fat guy [but a nice, smart, guy too] benching 295 for reps. I thought he was just fat, and I like to think I would have better judgment on that since I’m on this site and am exposed to strong people who have a little bodyfat on them. I’d be worried what the opinions on that kid would be if it were someone appointed by the school.

I used that BMI calculator on the website, the standards for “overweight” are laughable. Even at 6’2 195 pounds I would still be considered “overweight” according to the BMI. How ridiculous is that?

Sorry, but this is a load of crap.

A school has one purpose, and that is to teach. Just because someone is fat doesn’t mean that they don’t know how to lose weight, simply that they haven’t. Many people are aware of how to do so, many have at some point, but are too lazy to be bothered or keep it off. A BS requirement to graduate isn’t going to make them any less lazy. Some people choose to be fat–feeders, etc. I don’t condone it, I think it is gross, but it is THEIR choice. By the Uni imposing a lifestyle alteration in order to graduate, they are butting in too far.

Also, would you guys who are okay with this also be ok if the school said that smokers had to quit in order to graduate?

Lifestyle choices aren’t the school’s damn business.

[quote]Squiggles wrote:
Also, would you guys who are okay with this also be ok if the school said that smokers had to quit in order to graduate?

Lifestyle choices aren’t the school’s damn business.[/quote]

How is taking a class and quitting smoking the same? The students signed the paper, that is equivalent to me signing a contract saying I’ll take History and English even though my major is Economics, then getting pissed off when I am about to graduate because I do not think I should be made to take those things.

[quote]Squiggles wrote:
Also, would you guys who are okay with this also be ok if the school said that smokers had to quit in order to graduate?

Lifestyle choices aren’t the school’s damn business.[/quote]

Also its a private school… they can’t do pretty much whatever they want

[quote]Squiggles wrote:
Also, would you guys who are okay with this also be ok if the school said that smokers had to quit in order to graduate?

Lifestyle choices aren’t the school’s damn business.[/quote]

Absolutely, i hate smoking with incredible fervor.(one of the few things i absolutely hate altogether)

Actually by accepting you as a student, to graduate, you need to meet that schools guidelines. Therefore, if you don’t meet the guidelines at that school, then yes it is in fact the schools business.

I’m with Squiggles. That’s fucking ridiculous. I get this kind of shit at work and the biggest joke is the people on the “Health and Wellness Committee” are a bunch of vegetarian heart attacks waiting to happen. Colleges should stick to teaching and stay the hell out of lifestyle choices, especially since it hasn’t exactly been shown that the common wisdom wrt health is actually sound.

This requirement might get some people angry, but the students should have known about it when they started at this college, that this would be a requirement to graduate. No one forced them to go to this college, they chose to go of their own free will knowing what the requirements would be.

So this girl needs to quit whining, and take the class, fulfill her requirements to graduate (which were outlined when she started), and then graduate.

[quote]Amiright wrote:
Its like any other requirement or prerequisite in school… no one bitches because they have to take calc 1 to take calc 2. [/quote]

Well of course not. Because all you have to do is just take Calc 3, which doesn’t have either Calc 1 or 2 as prerequisites as they figure that no one would do that.