Tonight's Debate

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
I thought McCain was trying to reach for a laugh when he tried to make a joke about “setting the Whitehouse guest list. I dont even have a seal yet.” It dint come off to well.

That didn’t sound like a joke to me at all. It sounded like he was making fun of Obama very condescendingly for speaking as if he could actually be president. I do agree that it FAILED.

No, he was referring to the fact that Obama’s (incredibly arrogant) campaign had an official, presidential-looking seal. I think, like the Spain joke, it went over people’s heads.[/quote]

How is that “arrogant”? Do you realize the balls it takes to even see yourself as president?

Are we really faulting presidential candidates for being…gasp…“arrogant”?

Really?

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[quote]TBoZ1244 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
I thought McCain was trying to reach for a laugh when he tried to make a joke about “setting the Whitehouse guest list. I dont even have a seal yet.” It dint come off to well.

That didn’t sound like a joke to me at all. It sounded like he was making fun of Obama very condescendingly for speaking as if he could actually be president. I do agree that it FAILED.

I thought it was speaking condescendingly to the fact that 2-3 times, that I recalled, before McCain made the comment, Obama referred to himself as the “future president” in one form or another. [/quote]

That’s what I was referring to.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
<<< However every time he stutters "uhh…emmm…ehhhh…, I wanted to turn off the TV. >>>
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It’s what he says clearly that keeps me convinced he’s running for office in the wrong hemisphere.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
I think that Obama did better off script than I expected. However every time he stutters "uhh…emmm…ehhhh…, I wanted to turn off the TV. Drives me fucking crazy.

My opinion is that McCain clearly win the debate, and here’s why. McCain did a much better job than Opie did in highlighting his positives, while at the same time highlighting Obama’s negatives.

Obama often looked frustrated, but more damaging to him I think, was the appearance of elitism and arrogance that he projected the whole time. Kerry did much of the same, and it didn’t resonate well then either.

Personally, I just think that’s who he is. It’s part and parcel to his mind set and personality, and the more the public sees this, the more they will be turned off. Also, he let McCain run roughshod over him, and then kept hoping that Jim Lehyer would throw him a life line.

Overall, a much more enjoyable debate than anticipated.

It is amazing how perspective can effect events in retrospect.

uhh…emmm…ehhhh…,?

I listened to that debate and didn’t hear this. Maybe the volume wasn’t up loud enough.

Also, highlighting his positives? The man spent more of his time pointing out Obama’s age/experience than he did answering the questions. The debate is about the topics, not personal attacks…which was what seemed to be coming from McCain especially during the last 30min.

Maybe we should post the transcript?

Lehyer was prompting the two of them the entire time to specifically point out the differences in each others policy and vision. IMHO, McCain answered that call better. McCain highlighted his policy, and illustrated as to why he considered that policy to be better by pointing out what he considered to be serious flaws in his opponents policy and vision. This was in fact, a debate.

And I would hope that McCain would continualy point out the significant age/experience difference between the two. It is in fact, a benefit to McCain to do so. Wouldn’t you? This is not a personal attack, it is a political attack.

If you had 25+ yrs experience in your particular field, with a shit ton of experience, wouldn’t you consider those qualities to be major assets over some wet behind the ears, johnny come lately with only a few years experience?

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There is a time and place for everything. If this debate seemed like the place to keep pointing that out over and over to you, there truly is no point in debating it.

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[quote]Himora22 wrote:
TBoZ1244 wrote:
The one thing that stuck out of the debate to me was the question of “now with this huge bailout, how does that change your plans?” (something to that extent).

Obama kept listing off how he wanted uni healthcare, improve education, improve infrastructure, put a bunch of money into alternative fuels, etc. etc. He said “some things might have to be delayed…alternative fuel is a long term goal”.

I think that was very telling. The monitor even rephrased the question 2-3 times and Obama still didn’t say what, specifically, about his plans would change.

Maybe its just my conservative-ness, but with the deficit and this clusterfudge of a bailout, It worries me that Obama didn’t show himself to be flexible enough to change his plan to be fiscally responsible.

Again, that may just be my bias, but out of all everything else, which was good but pretty predictable, that was the one thing that stuck out to me.

That can be said for both of them. Someone needs to take away their sticks and give them machetes so that they can stop beating around the bush.[/quote]

100% in agreement, except take the machete away and bring out the chainsaw and start sawing away. Atleast McCain mentioned earmarks and a freeze and tried was more my point, Obama didnt even seem to comprehend what “not spending more money we don’t have” means and completely failed. Again, my conservative opinion, it scared me.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TBoZ1244 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
I thought McCain was trying to reach for a laugh when he tried to make a joke about “setting the Whitehouse guest list. I dont even have a seal yet.” It dint come off to well.

That didn’t sound like a joke to me at all. It sounded like he was making fun of Obama very condescendingly for speaking as if he could actually be president. I do agree that it FAILED.

I thought it was speaking condescendingly to the fact that 2-3 times, that I recalled, before McCain made the comment, Obama referred to himself as the “future president” in one form or another.

That’s what I was referring to.[/quote]

Got you. First time I read through, I thought you meant “Obama even thinking he could be president”, I see it now.

We just must disagree on if it was appropriate or not. But we can both agree it failed, probably a big part of that was he didn’t frame it with something like “unlike my opponent who keeps refering to himself as if he already won…”.

Then atleast people would understand it immediately. Even though we’d still disagree on its appropriateness

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DP

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I think the best thing that McCain said all night was about accountability.

On the adverse, I think the fact that Obama said on a number of occasions that he agreed with McCain on a # of things, to me made him look less combative and more agreeable. But when McCain was asked if he agreed with Obama, wither or not he just said the same thing Obama said, he would never admit that he agreed with Obama.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
If you had 25+ yrs experience in your particular field, with a shit ton of experience, wouldn’t you consider those qualities to be major assets over some wet behind the ears, johnny come lately with only a few years experience?
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That being said, it would be appropriate for Obama to state that he is young and healthy (no history of Cancer)and unlke his oponent not almost 80 in 4 years. That would leave the door open to portray McCain as old and out of touch with the modern world.

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Both campaigns claimed victory after the debate, with Mr McCain’s team saying their candidate had shown a “mastery on national security issues” while Mr Obama’s aides said he had passed the commander-in-chief test “with flying colours”.

An instant telephone poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corp suggested Mr Obama had won among those who watched the debate, with 51% saying he had done the better job to 38% for Mr McCain.

A poll of uncommitted voters by CBS News found that 39% gave Mr Obama victory, 25% thought John McCain had won, and 36% thought it was a draw.

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McCain crushed him, hands down, no question about it. To see it any differently is just silly.

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ok,to start I am registered PND ( party not designated)
I vote for whatever person I think is best and not for whatever party.

now that said I am listening to it online again for the second time to see if I missed anything.

what stood out to me ,please corret me if I misinterpeted this.
Mccain wants war,he dosent care about the people,he mentioned a spending freeze exept for vet affairs and defense.
so my question is what about people who are not vets.
his entire thing was war.
obama spent all his time correting Mccains misinformation.
those of you that are for Mccain,are you also for a millitant country?

everything else I noticed was already mentioned so I wont repeat people.

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Wow! look at this. Talking about politics and no name calling yet! j/k T-Nation

I felt both candidates did a half-way decent job and I will have to say it is nice to listening to two intelligent candidates for once. Good debate but I dont think they will be swinging over any voters from opposite parties.

And it prob didnt do anything for undecided voters. Hopefully they get into the details about their policies. thats when the mud will fly

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I think that Obama is a better speaker than McCain and that he gives out better reasoned answers.

Naturally, I think his reasons are wrong, but that doesn’t particularly matter, because lots of people judge by surface appearance only (and then you have those people who agree with his reasons).

For instance, in the O’Reilly interview, Obama defended himself pretty well. I knew he was wrong in defending socialist tenets, but lots of people won’t be able to identify that. The point is that he avoided making any large gaffs.

I imagine that the general public watching the debates at home has no clue about half of the topics being mentioned. If that wasn’t the case, McCain never would have won the nomination. They must be judging the candidates on superficial qualities.

I think Obama has an edge over McCain and the current state of the economy will give him a boost in the polls.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Both campaigns claimed victory after the debate, with Mr McCain’s team saying their candidate had shown a “mastery on national security issues” while Mr Obama’s aides said he had passed the commander-in-chief test “with flying colours”.[/quote]

I always wonder if they really believe all that nonsense that that they spout. I hate lessening form either sides camp, but McCains just makes my ears bleed. They really dont believe all that garbage do they? They cant, its just not possible. Dont they realize how bad it makes them look?

I realize that they are trying to sell their product but give me a break. The " Holier than Thou " bit from the either side really wares on you.

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I want to see a Michelle Obama and Cindy McCain debate! That should be interesting!

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I should also add that I didn’t see either candidate talk about the economy like I had expected. McCain went on and on about wasteful government spending, and Obama didn’t really say anything meaningful about the economy at all, just his tired old “Bush did it” speel.

Not as much fun as I thought it would be. I am concerned now that neither candidate knows what is going on with this financial crisis, or they are not being totally forthcoming, like they aren’t telling us everything they know.

Kind of makes me scared…

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Obama needs to realise that if he becomes president he will not have 800 billion to spend once a 700 billion bailout has been accommodated.

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[quote]JamFly wrote:
Obama needs to realise that if he becomes president he will not have 800 billion to spend once a 700 billion bailout has been accommodated. [/quote]

You do realize we are spending BILLIONS A DAY in Iraq right now?

Billions.

If you just woke up, there go a few more BILLION dollars that we don’t have to begin with.

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I must have watched a different debate than most of you. I saw the one with Obama flustered, sweating like a pig, and sporting that big shiteattin’ grin of his. I saw McCain ripping the shit out of him while Opie agreed with ‘John’.

Who’d they poll after the debate — people who felt sorry for the puppy who got chewed up by the pit bull? McCain crushed the shitbag.

I see now why the puppy didn’t want any debates earlier.