Tonight's Debate

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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You really need to assess your 10 planned nuke plant cancellations. Please, no really-- send me some references to those 10 plants, I’m seriously interested in your claim.

You don’t just ‘cancel’ billions of dollars of planning because a poorly designed, horribly run, unsafe, unregulated hulk of a piece of Soviet shit plant has an incident. 3-Mile Island didn’t even cause cancellation because of knee-jerk fear.

There were somewhere upwards of 60 planned plants that were in line to be scrapped during the 70s early 80s because of costs associated with construction (read regulatory and lobby issues) before anyone even ever thought to look at Chernobyl on a map.

Chew on this a bit: Who Killed U.S. Nuclear Power?

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
You really need to assess your 10 planned nuke plant cancellations. Pleae, no really-- send me some references to those 10 plants, I’m seriously interested in your claim.

You don’t just ‘cancel’ billions of dollars of planning because a poorly designed, horribly run, unsafe, unregulated hulk of a piece of Soviet shit plant has an incident. 3-Mile Island didn’t even cause cancellation because of knee-jerk fear.

There were somewhere upwards of 60 planned plants that were in line to be scrapped during the 70s early 80s because of costs associated with construction (read regulatory and lobby issues) before anyone even ever thought to look at Chernobyl on a map.

Chew on this a bit: Who Killed U.S. Nuclear Power?
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I wouldn’t bother with this guy. Just let him make his ridiculously ignorant statements and maybe he’ll go away.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

I had to make a conscious decision to not allow Lixy and a couple other guys, but especially him, to succeed in making me view him that way. I was sliding fast for a bit there.

I’ve come to understand Lixy a bit better in the last couple weeks which isn’t to say he’s not still a crackpot America hating fanatic, but he isn’t an idiot and he does have discernible views that go beyond us simply being wrong about everything.

I’ll get clubbed by some of you guys, and understandably so, but I even think he’s worth listening to if for no other reason than to hear first hand what much of the world does in fact think of us.

You guys know better than to think I’m saying we should base policy in any way on that, but it is beneficial to at least listen.[/quote]

You have not read enough of his writings. he has contradicted himself too many times and supported scum of the earth every time they opposed America.

He is a sorry excuse for a human being. I don’t like feeling that way about anyone.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
The reason there wasnt more $ put into nuclear powerplants was b/c of the Chernobyl disaster in '86. Most ppl thought it was unsafe

Um, no.

borrek wrote:
This one gets me. All of the science people I know realize that nuclear is the way to go. It was funny when every summer, student employees would come into the lab from the university and try talking about how solar was the future, and we’d disabuse them pretty quickly. If anything is unsafe, it’s that mass paranoia has kept us from updating and building new reactors for so long…

This is the enviro-nazi Achilles Heel. Nukes are stable, proven, and clean. The US has fallen well out of the lead compared to others in the world, largely because of regulatory and misguided environmental derailment.

The number of plants decommissioned (read: lost clean energy) is staggering. Dems, who claim the environmental mantle (another misconception), are largely and adamantly against nuclear power. The ‘waste’ issue is largely a government and environmental lobby construction (much like asbestos remediation is/was). Europe and other nations are way ahead of US in dealing with nuke waste and recycling.
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I have already read that article thanks.

Reference: Life Exposed : Biological Citizens after Chernobyl
Publisher: Princeton University Press

“…President Raygun called for the imitate suspension of all nuclear powerplant production and later cancellation of 14 nuclear power plants after the fallout and reaction of the Chernobyl disaster.”

I was considering going into nuclear engineering when I first got to college

[quote]dhickey wrote:
I wouldn’t bother with this guy. Just let him make his ridiculously ignorant statements and maybe he’ll go away.[/quote]

About what I would expect from some who is so one sided that he cant see past his nose

Edit - I take that back Im not here to bring down the thread but just b/c I dont think the same way as you and are familliar with things you arent dosent make what I say “ignorant”

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
<<< You have not read enough of his writings. he has contradicted himself too many times and supported scum of the earth every time they opposed America.

He is a sorry excuse for a human being. I don’t like feeling that way about anyone.
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That’s entirely possible. I haven’t been in this forum almost at all until recently. He’s been wrong, actually quite a bit worse than wrong sometimes, but at least cordial with me personally. More cordial than I was with him a couple times.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This is the enviro-nazi Achilles Heel. Nukes are stable, proven, and clean. The US has fallen well out of the lead compared to others in the world, largely because of regulatory and misguided environmental derailment.

The number of plants decommissioned (read: lost clean energy) is staggering. Dems, who claim the environmental mantle (another misconception), are largely and adamantly against nuclear power. The ‘waste’ issue is largely a government and environmental lobby construction (much like asbestos remediation is/was). Europe and other nations are way ahead of US in dealing with nuke waste and recycling.
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I honestly think that it is less that Democrats are anti-nuke, and more that environmentalists are anti-nuke, and more of them happen to be Dems. Sad thing is, if the environmentalists were actually informed then they would see how viable and safe nuclear energy is.

As far as Europe goes, God help me for saying this, but France has the right idea and is worlds ahead of us in power generation. They’re like 90% nuclear. A very smug and smelly 90%

I’m not really down with Obama’s yucca mountain stance, but thats pretty fucking far down on my list of headaches.

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[quote]borrek wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
Yes but we have switch grass, and that yields up too 20% more ethonal than SC and can be havested twice a year AND it grows just about every where

I hadn’t read about that, I’ll have to look into it. I know for a while people were looking into sugar beets. Not sure if that went anywhere
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Here are some links to switch grass as bio-fuel

http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/86/i02/8602news3.html

http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/switchgrass.html

I can give them all day =)

The sad thing is I havent heard either of our wonderful candidates say a word about this at all

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Late to the thread, but a few thoughts on the debate:

  1. McCain really likes to fight and debate - a good thing, unless he takes it too far. But he is very much the happy warrior, and you can tell he is in his environment in a policy fight. But, that lust for intellectual combat on policy runs him the risk of looking “unpresidential” if he lets it get the better of him.

  2. Obama remains professorial, and vague. I thought he did reasonably well, though, and didn’t demonstrate the weaknesses he has shown in debates. He clearly prefers a speech to a debate, but had fairly solid answers.

  3. McCain’s superior foreign policy chops were on display, but he didn’t overwhelm Obama in this area.

  4. Obama has a tendency to refer to folks participating by first name (he did this will Hillary, and often said “John…”). Could be an eye of the beholder issue, but I wonder if that if he continues his informality like that it will only aggravate the complaints of his smugness.

  5. McCain tries too hard to ramrod his theme and soundbytes into his answers. I like how he is a hard-charger, but too often he decides he is headed down a particular part of his script and damn the torpedoes. He needs to smooth it out and be more natural - else he will start looking too forced. He has a lot of knowledge - he doesn’t need to do this.

  6. The McCain quip on Obama’s presidential seal was good, but I suspect many didn’t get it.

  7. Obama’s “bracelet” counterattack was an embarrassment.

  8. Kissinger repudiated Obama’s comments on the “pre-condition” - and Obama is trying to tapdance around this since it dogged him in the primaries. And, if you pay close attention, he is trying to have it both ways - “I never meant ‘pre-conditions’, but if I did, you’ll notice others like Dr. Kissinger agree with me.”

  9. If you listened, Obama did not commit to a single cut in spending after Lehrer asked the question as an offset to the expenses of the bailout.

  10. I think both did reasonably well, especially after their schedule 24 hours prior.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.[/quote]

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.

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[quote]Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.[/quote]

You are either lying or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. lixy’s record of supporting terrorist’s actions and goals speaks for itself.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.

You are either lying or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. lixy’s record of supporting terrorist’s actions and goals speaks for itself.[/quote]

Put up or shut up. You’ve been whining that Lixy “supports terrorism” nonstop. I assumed that this was old shit that you were carrying into the present. But enough is enough.

If you can’t provide a quote that demonstrating that Lixy supports the use of terrorism, then it is right for anyone to think you are full of shit.

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[quote]Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.

You are either lying or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. lixy’s record of supporting terrorist’s actions and goals speaks for itself.

Put up or shut up. You’ve been whining that Lixy “supports terrorism” nonstop. I assumed that this was old shit that you were carrying into the present. But enough is enough.

If you can’t provide a quote that demonstrating that Lixy supports the use of terrorism, then it is right for anyone to think you are full of shit.[/quote]

Well, he has defended using human shields. That is, playing apologist for those who hide among civilians. Also playing apologist for the use of children in planting roadside bombs. He seems to support just about any armed and militant seperatist group, though he’s a…“pacifist.”

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[quote]Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.

You are either lying or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. lixy’s record of supporting terrorist’s actions and goals speaks for itself.

Put up or shut up. You’ve been whining that Lixy “supports terrorism” nonstop. I assumed that this was old shit that you were carrying into the present. But enough is enough.

If you can’t provide a quote that demonstrating that Lixy supports the use of terrorism, then it is right for anyone to think you are full of shit.[/quote]

Find it yourself douche bag. We have gone through this exercise many, many times. Not only does he support terrorism, he supports violence against women and gays. He is a despicable human being and you are standing up for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.

You are either lying or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. lixy’s record of supporting terrorist’s actions and goals speaks for itself.

Put up or shut up. You’ve been whining that Lixy “supports terrorism” nonstop. I assumed that this was old shit that you were carrying into the present. But enough is enough.

If you can’t provide a quote that demonstrating that Lixy supports the use of terrorism, then it is right for anyone to think you are full of shit.

Find it yourself douche bag. We have gone through this exercise many, many times. Not only does he support terrorism, he supports violence against women and gays. He is a despicable human being and you are standing up for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.[/quote]

True. There was Lixy’s response in which he called a 16 yr. old victim of the Iranian regime a “slut” who “played with fire and got burned.”

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.

You are either lying or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. lixy’s record of supporting terrorist’s actions and goals speaks for itself.

Put up or shut up. You’ve been whining that Lixy “supports terrorism” nonstop. I assumed that this was old shit that you were carrying into the present. But enough is enough.

If you can’t provide a quote that demonstrating that Lixy supports the use of terrorism, then it is right for anyone to think you are full of shit.

Find it yourself douche bag. We have gone through this exercise many, many times. Not only does he support terrorism, he supports violence against women and gays. He is a despicable human being and you are standing up for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.[/quote]

Revealing. I asked for evidence that he “supports terrorism” and you twist this into me “standing up” for him. If this qualifies in your view as supporting something, I now understand how you have become confused.

And I suppose those who wanted more evidence that Iraq posessed WMDs were “supporting” Saddam.

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[quote]Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.

You are either lying or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. lixy’s record of supporting terrorist’s actions and goals speaks for itself.

Put up or shut up. You’ve been whining that Lixy “supports terrorism” nonstop. I assumed that this was old shit that you were carrying into the present. But enough is enough.

If you can’t provide a quote that demonstrating that Lixy supports the use of terrorism, then it is right for anyone to think you are full of shit.

Find it yourself douche bag. We have gone through this exercise many, many times. Not only does he support terrorism, he supports violence against women and gays. He is a despicable human being and you are standing up for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Revealing. I asked for evidence that he “supports terrorism” and you twist this into me “standing up” for him. If this qualifies in your view as supporting something, I now understand how you have become confused.

And I suppose those who wanted more evidence that Iraq posessed WMDs were “supporting” Saddam.[/quote]

Go back through all his posts and see for yourself or STFU. I am certainly not going to bother. He isn’t worth the effort.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Find it yourself douche bag. We have gone through this exercise many, many times. Not only does he support terrorism, he supports violence against women and gays. He is a despicable human being and you are standing up for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Revealing. I asked for evidence that he “supports terrorism” and you twist this into me “standing up” for him. If this qualifies in your view as supporting something, I now understand how you have become confused.

And I suppose those who wanted more evidence that Iraq posessed WMDs were “supporting” Saddam.

Go back through all his posts and see for yourself or STFU. I am certainly not going to bother. He isn’t worth the effort.[/quote]

I’m curious – does Ron Paul support the terrorists in your view? Are there any US politicians who you would describe as supporting the terrorists?

“Supporting terrorism” get’s thrown around a lot.

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[quote]Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Find it yourself douche bag. We have gone through this exercise many, many times. Not only does he support terrorism, he supports violence against women and gays. He is a despicable human being and you are standing up for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Revealing. I asked for evidence that he “supports terrorism” and you twist this into me “standing up” for him. If this qualifies in your view as supporting something, I now understand how you have become confused.

And I suppose those who wanted more evidence that Iraq posessed WMDs were “supporting” Saddam.

Go back through all his posts and see for yourself or STFU. I am certainly not going to bother. He isn’t worth the effort.

I’m curious – does Ron Paul support the terrorists in your view? Are there any US politicians who you would describe as supporting the terrorists?

“Supporting terrorism” get’s thrown around a lot.[/quote]

What the fuck are you talking about. lixy supports the goals and methods of radical Islamic terrorists. He has made this quite clear.

What the hell does Ron Paul have to do with it?

Don’t bother answering, I don’t care.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Find it yourself douche bag. We have gone through this exercise many, many times. Not only does he support terrorism, he supports violence against women and gays. He is a despicable human being and you are standing up for him. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Revealing. I asked for evidence that he “supports terrorism” and you twist this into me “standing up” for him. If this qualifies in your view as supporting something, I now understand how you have become confused.

And I suppose those who wanted more evidence that Iraq posessed WMDs were “supporting” Saddam.

Go back through all his posts and see for yourself or STFU. I am certainly not going to bother. He isn’t worth the effort.

I’m curious – does Ron Paul support the terrorists in your view? Are there any US politicians who you would describe as supporting the terrorists?

“Supporting terrorism” get’s thrown around a lot.

What the fuck are you talking about. lixy supports the goals and methods of radical Islamic terrorists. He has made this quite clear.

What the hell does Ron Paul have to do with it?

Don’t bother answering, I don’t care.

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Ron Paul was accused of condoning/supporting terrorism because he had the temerity to suggest that radical Islamic terrorists are reacting to US foreign policy, as opposed to the more acceptable idea that they are just crazy people doing evil for evil’s sake because they are evil and crazy.

Sorry Zap – I’ve been going through some old threads, and will continue to do so (many interesting discussions have taken place here) but this bit that lixy “lixy supports the goals and methods,” I just don’t see it. It does no good for you to simply say the same thing over and over in different ways.

I could be completely wrong of course, but all I’ve seen is him referring to the terrorists as wackos, fanatics, scum, etc. I hope and expect Lixy will weigh in here. I am not trying to speak for him.

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[quote]Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The lixy-hate in this forum has gotten retarded. Why don’t they lash out at Headhunter or his “twin” this way?

We blast HH plenty and he doesn’t support terrorism.

Lixy is a low life piece of shit.

You have claimed that Lixy “supports terrorism” a lot.

I am still waiting too see him say anything close to the effect. I have only seen him refer to the terrorists as “scum” and the like. Granted, he may have said something before I got here, but I’ve been reading for almost a year now.[/quote]

You need to read some of the thousands of posts he has made. 90% reference the US. He has stated very clearly why he is here and why he posts almost exclusively on the PWI forum. It doesn’t have to do with his training regime.

Lixy is a tool. I almost always skim over what he writes because he is a fanatic. If he references me I may comment, usually to correct his propoganda and disinformation.

Quiet honestly I just don’t respond to other posts all that often unless it is to answer a question or offer some support for something I believe in. If it is addressed to me and I bothered to read it I may respond. I don’t have the time or inclination to visit here as much as I used to.

HH rarely calls me out or references me in his statements so I really don’t have the occassion to respond to him. I’m not a mod so it really doesn’t bother me in the least.

Besides HH and Lixy have vastly different viewpoints of country and morality. You can argue with the methods they use to communicate the beliefs they have but the two couldn’t be more different in basic philosophy.