Toney Freeman Arrested in Sweden

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wait…if he broke the law, they would be flashing his illegal act all over as justification. They didn’t. They let him go after humiliating him publicly. Had they had something, they could have detained him.

Yeah, it does make Sweden look bad. Maybe this cop should have thought of that ahead of time.

They arrested him BECAUSE he was a pro bodybuilder. Maybe they ASSUMED he would have drugs on him. Either way, I hope everyone boycotts the country if this is allowed to fly.

I don’t see anyone from Sweden getting detained here for no reason.
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I’m pretty sure there is at least one racist cop in your country. It doesn’t mean people should boycott it.

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[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wait…if he broke the law, they would be flashing his illegal act all over as justification. They didn’t. They let him go after humiliating him publicly. Had they had something, they could have detained him.

Yeah, it does make Sweden look bad. Maybe this cop should have thought of that ahead of time.

They arrested him BECAUSE he was a pro bodybuilder. Maybe they ASSUMED he would have drugs on him. Either way, I hope everyone boycotts the country if this is allowed to fly.

I don’t see anyone from Sweden getting detained here for no reason.
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I’m pretty sure there is at least one racist cop in your country. It doesn’t mean people should boycott it.[/quote]

You know what, if that one racist cop went out of his way to screw with some black guy from Sweden, I would say the same thing to people in YOUR country.

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What does raiding of the contest has to do with Tony’s arrest? They have arrested him, not raided some contest. Those two are completely different things.

I’ve said that the cops didn’t think through this one and he shouldn’t have admitted to any usage. But what’s done is done.

Let’s not turn it into “rights in USA” vs “rights in SWeden” debate because the amount of criminality, drugs and etc you guys have are NOT comparable with Sweden.

Then let’s not forget one important thing, taking AAS is actually ILLIGAL and as “dorky” as it is to arrest a bodybuilder …it is still the “right” thing to do one. If an officer knew that some random guy on the street had 10g of heroin on him - it would be OKAY to arrest him, but not someone who uses other drugs? Contradiction?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quadforce wrote:
What they did is actually REALLY REALLY REALLY hard to pull off and they are a lot of drug lords running around because they just can’t arrest them without valid reasons.

They can not possibily know if he himself injected those drugs or if he was drugged. The standard response is: “I don’t know anything about it” and if they don’t have any proof. You are off, because someone could have mixed that shit in his cheeseburgar to set him up.

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Doesn’t matter. If they had something on him AT ALL, then after he ADMITTED TO USING, they would have detained him…NOT LET HIM GO.

They let him go because they realized they didn’t have shit on him. They fucked up. If they hadn’t fucked up, they would be screaming about what drugs he had on him.

In America, our personal rights are what keep a bunch of cops from raiding the Olympia contest (even though they have tried at smaller contests in the past as far as interrogation).

If it was so hard to pull off, then how did they do it?[/quote]

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[quote]Quadforce wrote:

Then let’s not forget one important thing, taking AAS is actually ILLIGAL and as “dorky” as it is to arrest a bodybuilder …it is still the “right” thing to do one. If an officer knew that some random guy on the street had 10g of heroin on him - it would be OKAY to arrest him, but not someone who uses other drugs? Contradiction?

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No contradiction at all. You can NOT be arrested for simply having heroin in your system. You can NOT be arrested for simply having cocaine in your system. You CAN be arrested for having heroin or cocaine ON YOU when you are approached by cops. They do NOT have the right to walk up to random people and force them to do a drug test and then take them to jail simply because it is in their system at all.

Obviously if you are acting under the influence then this is a different circumstance.

You can be arrested for driving while drunk. You can NOT be arrested for driving well but having a small amount of alcohol in your system below the “legal limit”.

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If the cop “knows” about the heroine based solely on appearance, then no, he does not have the right to arrest him.

If the cop maybe saw him buy the stuff, or a trained dog smelled it, then you can. Unless something like that happened, what happened was a violation of rights.

[quote]Quadforce wrote:
What does raiding of the contest has to do with Tony’s arrest? They have arrested him, not raided some contest. Those two are completely different things.

I’ve said that the cops didn’t think through this one and he shouldn’t have admitted to any usage. But what’s done is done.

Let’s not turn it into “rights in USA” vs “rights in SWeden” debate because the amount of criminality, drugs and etc you guys have are NOT comparable with Sweden.

Then let’s not forget one important thing, taking AAS is actually ILLIGAL and as “dorky” as it is to arrest a bodybuilder …it is still the “right” thing to do one. If an officer knew that some random guy on the street had 10g of heroin on him - it would be OKAY to arrest him, but not someone who uses other drugs? Contradiction?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quadforce wrote:
What they did is actually REALLY REALLY REALLY hard to pull off and they are a lot of drug lords running around because they just can’t arrest them without valid reasons.

They can not possibily know if he himself injected those drugs or if he was drugged. The standard response is: “I don’t know anything about it” and if they don’t have any proof. You are off, because someone could have mixed that shit in his cheeseburgar to set him up.

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Doesn’t matter. If they had something on him AT ALL, then after he ADMITTED TO USING, they would have detained him…NOT LET HIM GO.

They let him go because they realized they didn’t have shit on him. They fucked up. If they hadn’t fucked up, they would be screaming about what drugs he had on him.

In America, our personal rights are what keep a bunch of cops from raiding the Olympia contest (even though they have tried at smaller contests in the past as far as interrogation).

If it was so hard to pull off, then how did they do it?[/quote]
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Also, taking steroids is NOT illegal. There are MILLIONS of grown men on HRT taking the same drugs some of these pros are and they are NOT doing it illegally. That is why arresting every big guy you see is dumb as hell and a violation of rights.

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I said “ON HIM”, not in the system. Those are two different expressions I believe or am I wrong?

But yes, if when it comes to the “in the system”, then their actions were incorrect and I adressed it in my previous post, that is why this entire thing does not make any sense to me.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quadforce wrote:

Then let’s not forget one important thing, taking AAS is actually ILLIGAL and as “dorky” as it is to arrest a bodybuilder …it is still the “right” thing to do one. If an officer knew that some random guy on the street had 10g of heroin on him - it would be OKAY to arrest him, but not someone who uses other drugs? Contradiction?

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No contradiction at all. You can NOT be arrested for simply having heroin in your system. You can NOT be arrested for simply having cocaine in your system. You CAN be arrested for having heroin or cocaine ON YOU when you are approached by cops. They do NOT have the right to walk up to random people and force them to do a drug test and then take them to jail simply because it is in their system at all.

Obviously if you are acting under the influence then this is a different circumstance.

You can be arrested for driving while drunk. You can NOT be arrested for driving well but having a small amount of alcohol in your system below the “legal limit”.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, taking steroids is NOT illegal. There are MILLIONS of grown men on HRT taking the same drugs some of these pros are and they are NOT doing it illegally. That is why arresting every big guy you see is dumb as hell and a violation of rights.[/quote]

This is a big distinction a cop needs to make when deciding if he has probable cause. If you have no way of knowing if someone has a rx you have no way of knowing if somone committed a crime.

This is how AAS differ from cocaine and heroin WRT to “being under the influence”

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[quote]kakno wrote:
The law says nothing about having it in your system. Unless done for medicinal or scientific purposes, it’s illegal to:
Import
Give someone
Produce (lulz)
Buy with intent to sell
Sell
Have or
Use
anabolic steroids, testosterone or its derivatives, GH, or substances that increase the synthesis or the aforementioned substances.

So it’s illegal to be a healthy, steroid-producing human, or eat fat and cholesterol and for that matter tribulus and shit, which is sold openly, but it’s perfectly OK to inject abroad and cross the border.

The cop didn’t have the right to do that. He said “you’re not welcome” but he has no right to do that and Toney left because he wanted to (understandable), not because he had to. Toney saw a man with a badge and didn’t have a lawyer nearby, so he did the smart thing and cooperated. The cops in Sundsvall are acting all proud cause they’ve got a big doping case in progress, but the cop acted outside the law in this case.

That law, while oddly worded, is a representation of the government. What the cop did was against the law, so he isn’t.[/quote]

Dave Palumbo and John Romano interviewed IFBB Pro Martin Kjellstrom on their radio show after he spent 6 months in jail. According to him, you can be arrested simply for having steroids in your system - even if you injected in another country and then entered Sweden. I’m not sure whether he was made to take a blood test or just a urine test, but that was his position, and seeing as he spent 6 months in jail, I’m inclined to believe it

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[quote]Quadforce wrote:
I said “ON HIM”, not in the system.
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Even then their response should be to ask if he has a prescription for it…which many of them do from these youth/rejuvenation clinics. If you have a script, it is NOT illegal to have steroids on you or to use them. Bottom line, they arrested this man because he was a foreigner who is also a pro bodybuilder and the ASSUMPTION is apparently that they all use steroids illegally. They would be wrong about that. They are also wrong for this.

Mariusz has nothing to worry about but they arrest this man at a book signing? BULLSHIT.

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Just deleted a massive post, cause at the end of the day - this shows they dont want Pro BB’s in their country.

Why else make such a huge public song and dance?

If I were a Pro BB I’d avoid Sweden. If you being on the juice and doing strongman is okay, why is juicing in BBing not okay?

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Cus the swedish cops are chubby chasers brah

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:
Can they arrest him for using outside Sweden? That’s weird.

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That’s what I was thinking too, it would be the same as me going to Portugal (the only country where all drugs are legal) using drugs and then getting arrested for it back in the US.

I’m not a law expert but that doesn’t seem right and my guess is if they tried to prosecute him in Sweden the US goverment would have to step in (at least I hope they would).[/quote]

Nit-picking I know:
Drugs are decriminalized in Portugal. Still prohibited by law but instead of punitive measures they give treatment to addicts. Dealing, manufacturing will still get you jail time.

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It’ll be interesting to see if they try to pull this crap at that fitness fair Cutler was scheduled to go to.

If Toney had gone to Sundsvall one year ago, nothing would have happened. If he goes in a year, nothing will happen. One cop can’t stop thinking about steroids cause his department has the biggest doping trial ever in this country going on right now. That’s it. It’s legal to do what he did, it’s just that one idiot had the ability to drive to a store and flash his badge.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:
Unless done for medicinal or scientific purposes, it’s illegal to:
Import
Give someone
Produce
Buy with intent to sell
Sell
Have or
Use
anabolic steroids, testosterone or its derivatives, GH, or substances that increase the synthesis or the aforementioned substances.
[/quote]

Dave Palumbo and John Romano interviewed IFBB Pro Martin Kjellstrom on their radio show after he spent 6 months in jail. According to him, you can be arrested simply for having steroids in your system - even if you injected in another country and then entered Sweden. I’m not sure whether he was made to take a blood test or just a urine test, but that was his position, and seeing as he spent 6 months in jail, I’m inclined to believe it[/quote]

What I wrote is the law. He can’t disagree with that. In his case, the cops found pretty large amounts of steroids in his home, so he broke the law.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You know what, if that one racist cop went out of his way to screw with some black guy from Sweden, I would say the same thing to people in YOUR country.[/quote]
Ok.

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Just deleted a massive post, cause at the end of the day - this shows they dont want Pro BB’s in their country.

Why else make such a huge public song and dance?

If I were a Pro BB I’d avoid Sweden. If you being on the juice and doing strongman is okay, why is juicing in BBing not okay?[/quote]

Just as a side point, Magnus Samuelsson may not be on steroids. In professional Strong Man, use is of course wide-spread, but since Strong Men don’t have to worry about being super-ripped and symmetrical, there are naturals even at the top.
Phil Phister would be a prominent example.

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Claiming that someone who has won WSM is natty in a comp that doesnt test except for pre contest is crazy.

There is no offseason WSM testing.

I have no idea if Phister is natural or not but I wouldnt ASSUME he is, for any reason. Why would he be natural? Because he’s a firefighter??

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quadforce wrote:
BONEZ217 - it is NOT easy to pull off that shit in Sweden. I’ve friend who works at the police and I talked about it with him just few hours ago. Someone went OUT OF HIS WAY to make this happen. Or Tony bought some cannabis from the locals or something.

This is a stupid ass thing to do for a lot of reason:

  • Bad PR for the entire country
  • Let’s arrest every soccer, hockey, track&field player on suspicion.

It is really easy to poke this sub-culture as anabolic is a part of it. It is part of every sport expect some freakin shit like curling, but in BB it is more obvious.

“Hey, we don’t want our kids to have Tony as a hero”.

Incompentecy of that cop or departament is out of this world…[/quote]

Wait…if he broke the law, they would be flashing his illegal act all over as justification. They didn’t. They let him go after humiliating him publicly. Had they had something, they could have detained him.

Yeah, it does make Sweden look bad. Maybe this cop should have thought of that ahead of time.

They arrested him BECAUSE he was a pro bodybuilder. Maybe they ASSUMED he would have drugs on him. Either way, I hope everyone boycotts the country if this is allowed to fly.

I don’t see anyone from Sweden getting detained here for no reason.
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You only get a fine for minor narcotics crimes, eg having used drugs, so of course Freeman was let go after he admitted to havibg used Test, HGH and Cannabis. We´ll have to wait and see if the prosecutor wants to go further with the case. Thousands of people get punished for having used drugs in sweden every year. It is a crime to use drugs here and a urine or bloodsample is all the evidence that is needed for a conviction.

BTW: The police assumed that he had used drugs because he was a pro BB and they were right. Last year the police also assumed that swedish Mr Olympia competitor Kjellström had used drugs and the urinesamples showed that they were right. Kjellström got some fines for having used and possesed anabolics. This year Kjellström got caught with not only using but also selling steroids and will probably get a decent prison sentence…

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[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Just deleted a massive post, cause at the end of the day - this shows they dont want Pro BB’s in their country.

Why else make such a huge public song and dance?

If I were a Pro BB I’d avoid Sweden. If you being on the juice and doing strongman is okay, why is juicing in BBing not okay?[/quote]

Just as a side point, Magnus Samuelsson may not be on steroids. In professional Strong Man, use is of course wide-spread, but since Strong Men don’t have to worry about being super-ripped and symmetrical, there are naturals even at the top.
Phil Phister would be a prominent example.[/quote]

I’m not sure what your point is here. How these steroids are being used, and for what purpose for each individual doesnt concern me… Is it even part of the debate? Why raise the points of being super ripped and symmetrical? Can a steroid MAKE you more symmetrical? Might help you gain a bit more mass, help you retain some of that mass while you’re cutting… but I dont get what your logic is here.

Anyone at the top of their game has had a single minded drive for their sport. You get people on the juice in almost every competitive sport. Some may get caught, some may use and not get caught, some may have used and not been fully aware, some may never have used. I will never ever know. Only the supplier and the consumer will ever know the truth, so why speculate?

Do you know, for sure, phister hasn’t juiced a lot in the past? Why pick him?

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[quote]alpha_man wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quadforce wrote:
BONEZ217 - it is NOT easy to pull off that shit in Sweden. I’ve friend who works at the police and I talked about it with him just few hours ago. Someone went OUT OF HIS WAY to make this happen. Or Tony bought some cannabis from the locals or something.

This is a stupid ass thing to do for a lot of reason:

  • Bad PR for the entire country
  • Let’s arrest every soccer, hockey, track&field player on suspicion.

It is really easy to poke this sub-culture as anabolic is a part of it. It is part of every sport expect some freakin shit like curling, but in BB it is more obvious.

“Hey, we don’t want our kids to have Tony as a hero”.

Incompentecy of that cop or departament is out of this world…[/quote]

Wait…if he broke the law, they would be flashing his illegal act all over as justification. They didn’t. They let him go after humiliating him publicly. Had they had something, they could have detained him.

Yeah, it does make Sweden look bad. Maybe this cop should have thought of that ahead of time.

They arrested him BECAUSE he was a pro bodybuilder. Maybe they ASSUMED he would have drugs on him. Either way, I hope everyone boycotts the country if this is allowed to fly.

I don’t see anyone from Sweden getting detained here for no reason.
[/quote]

You only get a fine for minor narcotics crimes, eg having used drugs, so of course Freeman was let go after he admitted to havibg used Test, HGH and Cannabis. We�´ll have to wait and see if the prosecutor wants to go further with the case. Thousands of people get punished for having used drugs in sweden every year. It is a crime to use drugs here and a urine or bloodsample is all the evidence that is needed for a conviction.

BTW: The police assumed that he had used drugs because he was a pro BB and they were right. Last year the police also assumed that swedish Mr Olympia competitor KjellstrÃ?¶m had used drugs and the urinesamples showed that they were right. KjellstrÃ?¶m got some fines for having used and possesed anabolics. This year KjellstrÃ?¶m got caught with not only using but also selling steroids and will probably get a decent prison sentence… [/quote]

I’d be interested to know if there are any sportsmen/women that have been caught out in this game of testing yet, have any info on that?

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I’m willing to bet that Jay Cutler won’t be arrested. This may have more racial leanings than some of you are willing to recognize. I mean, whats the minority population in Sweeden anyways? Just curious.