I have never stacked Dbol with OT. I felt that OT is somewhere in between Dbol and Anavar. I would use it by itself. I get the best reponse from dbol though, 10-15mg is all I need.
I just misunderstood you there for a sec… thanks anyway.
When doing cycles with low doses of orals. Should take the tabs 1-2 hours before a workout with a carb up meal. Because blood circulation is significally higher in muscles during workouts than when your inactive + the carb up will give you an insulin spike which will increase the rate of which the oral steroids to reach the cells?
Or isnt this relevant with these types of drugs? Should one just figure it out depending on half life of the steroid.
Edit: Reason why im mentioning cycles with low doses in my example. Is because with higher doses i see many just taking em evenly throughout the day, just to be certain. And that is harder with low doses if your taking ex. 2tabs a day. instead of 4-6 or more.
[quote]n0xious wrote:
When doing cycles with low doses of orals. Should take the tabs 1-2 hours before a workout with a carb up meal. Because blood circulation is significally higher in muscles during workouts than when your inactive + the carb up will give you an insulin spike which will increase the rate of which the oral steroids to reach the cells?
Or isnt this relevant with these types of drugs? Should one just figure it out depending on half life of the steroid.
Edit: Reason why im mentioning cycles with low doses in my example. Is because with higher doses i see many just taking em evenly throughout the day, just to be certain. And that is harder with low doses if your taking ex. 2tabs a day. instead of 4-6 or more.[/quote]
It isn’t ‘just to be certain’ mate! lolol! It is for a specific reason.
Even dosing is to achieve a steadier level of anabolic hormones. AAS work systemically, so a higher level of AAS levels over time will result in more than a large spike once a day. It reduces side effects too, using this way.
The main reason low doses are used is to lower levels of inhibitive hormones at times when they will make the most impact - and the main reason a single dose is taken isn’t due to logistics, but it being less likely to inhibit as much - especially if taken in the AM when natural Test’rone levels are at the highest as the main ‘pulse of the day’ has been released.
(One still will have a lower level of Endogenous Test’rone, but not be fully suppressed, or as much as it could have been with that particular drug).
As for Insulin levels from a CHO rich meal ‘shuttling’ oral drugs to cells… i am pretty sure this is not how it works.
While my knowledge on non-AR mediated effects is severely lacking, i think that it is still going to be dependant on some sort of receptor based action, rather than being used directly by cells to ‘grow’ etc.
As for ‘figure it out by half life’, if you mean the best time to take a single daily dose pre-workout then it would be yes and no.
Yes in that you should look at the time it takes for peak levels to be achieved before training, and no if this means that you dose your single dose of AAS at 6pm to train at 8pm, as this is going to inhibit you more than the early AM dose - thus making the single dose efforts less worthwhile.
But generally speaking yes, but half-life wont help - you need absorption kinetics to see that. Google images ‘drug name absorbtion graph or line or kinetics’ - something like that…
There are some things I picked up from my personal experience.
Pre-training dosing is great for a workout boost, I felt enhanced, and looked good. But the additional inhibition of endo-testosterone production became counter-productive. I lost my morning wood in 3 days. My libido had also vanished quicker than ususal.
At the end of my mini cycle, I retained less gains.
Early moning dosing protocol didn’t supress me as much. My strength / endurance didn’t improve dramatically (I train between 7-10pm btw). It was a slow and gradual improvement, I didn’t really feel it until the end of second week. But I endo-test didn’t crash, and my strength continued to improve after I was off.
For more regular oral cycles, I dosed 10mg post training and 10mg before bed. This maximised recovery and I made a lot of gains in LBM. I also used 25mg of Proviron in the morning, to get some androgen in the system. This is my prefered dosing dosing protocol. If I take the drug through out the day, I tend to get a lot of acne and bloat.
If you were to follow the 2 on 2 off approach would you use clomid for the entire two weeks off? What about if you did 2 weeks on 4 weeks off?