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By using the roid calculator I ran a 2 weeker for test prop. I frontloaded 250mg day one and 75 mg ED for the next 13 days. This kept a nice constant 70-71mg a day in my system. Question is, would this be a pretty weak cycle for a two weeker?
The article I read by Bill Roberts on the two week cycle had the user waiting 4 weeks before starting again. Have things changed? Is it ok to run two/ two for the cycles and then wait a full 4 weeks?
[quote]IKIMURA wrote:
Question-
By using the roid calculator I ran a 2 weeker for test prop. I frontloaded 250mg day one and 75 mg ED for the next 13 days. This kept a nice constant 70-71mg a day in my system. Question is, would this be a pretty weak cycle for a two weeker?
The article I read by Bill Roberts on the two week cycle had the user waiting 4 weeks before starting again. Have things changed? Is it ok to run two/ two for the cycles and then wait a full 4 weeks?[/quote]
I think the current thought is that you can run 2-4 cycles with only 2 weeks off in between, before taking an extended break (true “off” time) without too many problems. Bill has said before he’s done 2 on - 1 off for a few tries to see how it feels as well. I think the idea though is to not press your luck after a couple runs. I’m sure he’ll correct me if I’m off base though. At least this is my understanding of it.
And yes, IMO that is a weak cycle for a 2 weeker. That would be more at home with an 8+ week cycle. One of the nice things it seems about two week cycles is that all the vets on the steroids forum here (I’m not one of them) concur that you can use relatively high doses with no really bad ill effects or extended need for recovery period due to the extremely short period of the cycle. Of course, you have to make sure that ALL that stuff is out of your system by day 15 to avoid continued shutdown in your “off” weeks, but yeah.
I believe Bill stated specifically that he would have the last Prop injection on day 12 with this protocol. There can be 14 days of suppression, not 14 days of injections. Obviously this lends itself to shorter acting drugs to keep dosages at useful levels. Because I wanted to keep levels higher for all 14 of the 14 on days, I’m using suspension.
A problem there, or potential problem is, I don’t know how fast the suspension clears. Depending on the particle size, it might be several days.
Wow, IM-injection with a slin-pin, if it came from anyone other than BR I would yell shananigans.
Something to try on my next cycle.
[quote]Malchir wrote:
Wow, IM-injection with a slin-pin, if it came from anyone other than BR I would yell shananigans.
Something to try on my next cycle.[/quote]
It is a shame i cant ask for a ‘hands up who’s done this’ for you - as i think you may be surprised.
I and a number of users on this forum have and do, do IM slin pin injects - of AAS and other PED. What is strange about that?
[quote] Brook wrote:
Malchir wrote:
Wow, IM-injection with a slin-pin, if it came from anyone other than BR I would yell shananigans.
Something to try on my next cycle.
It is a shame i cant ask for a ‘hands up who’s done this’ for you - as i think you may be surprised.
I and a number of users on this forum have and do, do IM slin pin injects - of AAS and other PED. What is strange about that?
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Most mentions of it online get shot down that it doesn’t work. I told a few friends in real life and they still couldn’t believe that it works! Whatever, it is perfect for daily injects into the delts and quads, bis if you are adventurous.
I draw my mixtures up into a 3ml 22g pin, then backload 3 slin pins. I make sure to have a clean workspace and freshly washed hands to avoid any potential contamination while backloading.
Well, apparently it has a strangeness factor as even Dan Duchaine insisted I was wrong and it was impossible. Of course it has to be the case that he never tried it, but many will deem things impossible without experiment based on reasons that seem sufficient to them, though are not.
If one considers how relatively difficult it is to push through a 25 gauge pin – nothing like impossible, but a fairly good push is needed – 29 gauge might seem on the face of it impossible.
But with an understanding of hydraulics, then it should be no mystery that it is not.
(It would be near impossible if attaching a 29 gauge needle to a typical 3 mL syringe though.)
For the record I use 25gauge needles for my TRT. Its slow to load but I love the anticipation. I actually like pinning! Knowing I will feel better makes me drool while the syringe is filling. LOL I cannot see why a slin pin would make any difference in injecting, I would just want at least a 1" needle.
[quote]IKIMURA wrote:
Question-
By using the roid calculator I ran a 2 weeker for test prop. I frontloaded 250mg day one and 75 mg ED for the next 13 days. This kept a nice constant 70-71mg a day in my system. Question is, would this be a pretty weak cycle for a two weeker?
The article I read by Bill Roberts on the two week cycle had the user waiting 4 weeks before starting again. Have things changed? Is it ok to run two/ two for the cycles and then wait a full 4 weeks?[/quote]
Well it apears this might be wimpy for a 2 weeker. I redid the roid calculator and found that a frontload of 400mg test p day 1 and 100mg ED days 2-12 keeps me at around 100mg a day in my system. Would this cycle be more adaquate or should I make some tren and run 75mg daily days 1-12 stacked with the TP to make this worth while?
Yes, it would be pretty weak relatively speaking, but cumulatively would give results commensurate with the total amount used.
What you describe would still be suppressive on day 15.
If for whatever reason you want a 1" needle then you want a 25 gauge. However, if not sheathed in blubber, a half inch is fine.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, apparently it has a strangeness factor as even Dan Duchaine insisted I was wrong and it was impossible. Of course it has to be the case that he never tried it, but many will deem things impossible without experiment based on reasons that seem sufficient to them, though are not.
If one considers how relatively difficult it is to push through a 25 gauge pin – nothing like impossible, but a fairly good push is needed – 29 gauge might seem on the face of it impossible.
But with an understanding of hydraulics, then it should be no mystery that it is not.
(It would be near impossible if attaching a 29 gauge needle to a typical 3 mL syringe though.)[/quote]
I have seen 27 gauge needles that would be attached to a 3ml syringe. I wonder if those would work? The only application I can see for it would be daily injects that total over the 1ml a slin pin gives you.
(Ikimura, my previous reply was before your reply to yourself appeared.)
I would run the stack. I would make day 10 the last for the TP, and if using 50 mg/day trenbolone acetate, considering the TP being their also, day 12 the last for the TA.
[quote]BenceJones wrote:
I have seen 27 gauge needles that would be attached to a 3ml syringe. I wonder if those would work? The only application I can see for it would be daily injects that total over the 1ml a slin pin gives you.
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If patient enough the oil would go through. I don’t know how long it would take with reasonable pressure, though.
Bill - 1. when working out last injects and dose etc., what daily load is considered “suppressive” after day 14?
2. " . . .it would be pretty weak relatively speaking, but cumulatively would give results commensurate with the total amount used." So,if one was planning a series of 2-on/2-off prior to taking 4-8wks off, then dosages need to (at least?) equal what would be used over the course of a “standard” 6-8weeker? Or have I misunderstood what you meant by that statement?
Thanks
Well, it depends on the steroid, and it’s a grey scale. For example for testosterone a level commensurate with ongoing 200 mg/week use is largely suppressive but could allow for some recovery; a level commensurate with ongoing 100 mg/week use, if combined with a SERM, is much more conducive to recovery; or a level commensurate with ongoing 50 mg/week use, if combined with a SERM, is very conducive to recovery.
Generally I aim for levels to be commensurate with about the 100 mg/week ongoing use level.
(As to why I use that perhaps-strange phrasing: we are not actually measuring the level, and there is actually no specific level for any given day as it decreases with time. Not so much so with long-actings but significantly with short-actings. So I put it in terms of being comparable with, rather than saying it is actually the same.)
On amount of steroids used: Yes, four 2 week cycles, if the only differing factor were how one scheduled the cycles, would use the same total amount of steroid as one 8 week cycle.
“Yes, four 2 week cycles, if the only differing factor were how one scheduled the cycles, would use the same total amount of steroid as one 8 week cycle.”
So, on this basis, a “novice” electing to do 4x2on/2off instead of the “standard” 8weeker of 500mg test/wk (i.e. total 4000mg), would look to hit at least 1000mg per 2wk-on?
Thanks.
First, yes, I would rather see the higher dose per week.
Second, your comparison wasn’t the equal one I had in mind. You have the two week cycles using twice as much steroids (8 total weeks “on” from 2 week cycles at 1 g/week = 8 grams, vs 8 weeks “on” in an 8 week cycle at 500 mg/week = 4 grams.)
Apologies, I don’t think I’ve explained myself clearly - or maybe I’ve misunderstood what you meant by:
“Yes, four 2 week cycles, if the only differing factor were how one scheduled the cycles, would use the same total amount of steroid as one 8 week cycle.”
By “1000mg per 2wk-on”, I meant 1000mg TOTAL over the 2wk “on” period. So 4x2wk cycles at 1g per “on” period came to 4g, the same amount as the standard beginner 8wks x 500mg/wk.
This was my understanding of being “equal”! Yes? No?
Thanks.
My mistake, I though your 1 gram figure was per week, not per 2 weeks. Though in fact you wrote it clearly enough.
Yes, that was an equal comparison.
But, the method really is intended for higher doses than that. I would be guessing if I tried to predict whether it is as effective at that dosage level as an 8 week straight cycle. I think there’s reasonably sound basis to guess yes, but I don’t have the practical evidence as I’ve never worked with anyone at a dose as low as that, nor had results reported to me.