Maybe for your next cycle, run trt dose only. See how you feel. Then if it is night and day, continue with trt.
I started trt with about half of your test levels. Strength and physique are better. I’m not tired as much, but still have ADHD symptoms (diagnosed as a child, mother took me off rits as she got scared about stunting growth, so now I’m untreated). I don’t think I would have done trt with your levels for what it’s worth.
On the flip side, now I’m running a cycle (which I probably wouldn’t do if not on trt) because the risk profile is different since I don’t worry about shutdown. I know there are other risks, but I’m not planning on large cycles. Right now I’m running 325 mg/wk (13 weeks) test last 6-7 weeks var at 50/day. I’m a powerlifter, so not peeled or anything.
Absolutely NOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOOTOT. In my opinion Popeyes beats American KFC, but not Aussie KFC. Australian KFC to me remains unrivalled. Tried Spanish KFC today, not as good… but better than Aussie KFC
I’m a Kentucky fried connoisseur you see. I travel the globe looking to try different branches/chains of KFC. My favourite being a particuar branch in Johannesburg, South Africa
Fuck… I do think I honesty lost about 1-2 cm from being on dex (and rits… each at different times) aged 12-14, 8-10… each time I was on amphetamines I was an absolute basket case (last time aged 18 again, went on for exams and stopped). In loooow dosages they work wonders (say 2.5mg amphetamine) higher (was supposed to take up to 20mg daily, 5mg daily min this time) and I’m a tweaked out, angry dinosaur with an insatiable appetite for sex… going off appears to have caused my libido to drop off (dopaminergic dysregulation) this has lasted for some time now… hope it comes back…
I’ve lost the plot from amphetamines a few times… so I took them a handful of times again when I was 17 as I found them in my bathroom desk with all my previous meds. Didn’t get another actual script til I was 18 though. So I go without as despite the fact it does work wonders for study ability, symptoms of ADHD, the side effects
racing heart
aggression
stimulant psychosis (3 times)
lack of appetite
sweating
mood swings
Make the whole fiasco just a drag to put up with… hopefully in the future we will have better management tactics, now if I need to study I’ll take modafinil
I don’t know if you’ll be able to maintain an extra 20lbs off cycle given you’re current size. I’d think 10-15 would be more realistic. For 20 it could take many years
If I can maintain 10-15lbs more, I’ll be happy. I’ll still have that goal of hitting 220 at some point, but if I could maintain 205-210 that would be awesome. I’m 205 in that left photo and felt amazing. Although I was on 500mg test and 50mg var.
My plan would be to run TRT for 6 months before “blasting”. That way I can quickly tell if TRT makes the difference that I am seeking. If it doesn’t, I’ll have the option to come off. At such a mild dose and with how well my recovery has gone, I don’t think I’d have much issue recovering. Who knows though, it’s always a risk.
I have a 3 year old and 18 month old, I would welcome infertility over getting skipped
The only thing I care about is staying healthy enough to stay alive to watch my kids grow up.
Even if I had never run a cycle, I fully planned to start TRT by ~40. The gym is my life, and inevitably my natural levels will drop. So I’m talking about starting 8 years earlier than planned basically.
The last time you posted you said your plan was to do one more cycle and that’s it. I honestly don’t believe you don’t feel like a normal guy feels with a 700 test level. You just know what its like to be on drugs and you miss it. Which is cool dude, but just be honest with yourself. You don’t need TRT… that is to say, if you need TRT then so does every man alive. Try to relax and just come to terms with the decision you make. If you need to be on cycle to feel good then do you. After a while though, you will probably really need TRT, and as blshaw said, I would just let that happen. Youve already gotten feed back that TRT will not be enough to sustain the impressive size that you want to do it for, so I don’t see the point.
@big_boy_today
Need is a loosely used word. To me NEED means you have to have it to survive like water, shelter, food, etc. Technically someone with a 150 level of T can survive and live a decent life. What we are talking about is optimizing life. How you feel vs how you could feel and weighing the pros & cons. Because his T level is 700 he’s not worthy of 1100 vs someone who’s 150 being able to reach 1100. The truth is TRT gives you an advantage in many aspects of life over an average person. I always take advantage of advantages personally but to each their own.
Although I can see how that may appear to be the case, it most certainly is not. I never said i needed or asked if i needed TRT. I asked if TRT would increase glycogen storage, thus aiding in muscular fullness, resulting in added confidence. I also asked if it would help me maintain a larger size. Never “NEED”. I dropped out of high school, and college due to severe anxiety and depression. I have struggled all of my life with it until discovering the gym. It’s not looking, or making up a reason. I’m an adult and don’t need any other reason other than, “I want to” in order to do something. I’m genuinely trying to find out if TRT would help with the things that I personally struggle with. If so, I can justify the lifetime commitment. If not, then I won’t do it. If TRT can enable me to maintain a larger size, AND have more fullness which is single handedly my favorite part of a cycle, then it’s absolutely worth it. The fullness feeling and the confidence is great in cycle. If TRT does not increase that, then you’re right, then I would struggle to justify TRT.
My original plan/goal when I first decided to go the AAS route was to run 3, maybe 4 cycles to get to that 210-220 range, and then just maintain. With all of the research and time I had spent on learning about this stuff, somehow I overlooked one very key piece of truth. Maintaining that size is not realistic naturally. No matter what I can gain on a cycle, my body has shown me that it wants to come back down to that 190-195 range. Due to this reason, I am not confident or convinced that there would be any point in running additional cycles. Why take the risks and spend the money if realistically I will lose the vast majority of what I gain? To me… that’s not worth it.
Plans change, trial and error teaches us a lot. I would love to run one last cycle and be done with injections, the worry of health concerns, etc. Of course i love then feeling of being on cycle though, who doesn’t. But that certainly doesn’t mean I haven’t always struggled with anxiety, confidence, exhaustion, etc. Whether any of that is hormone related, or just who i am; i don’t know. I do know it goes away while on cycle though.
For the record, the only person that has mentioned maintaining my desired size was Unreal. He said 20lbs would be tough, but 10-15 might be possible. I’d take 10lbs over where I’m at any day… so there’s definitely a point.
Weight gain aside… if it gives me more muscle fullness and confidence, I don’t need to gain another pound … the feeling of confidence would be more than worth it.
When you’re my size, and all you feel like is a 135lb scrawny child, it doesn’t feel great. Within 2-3 weeks of starting a cycle, I feel pumped up and like an entirely different person. I’d take that any day.
In my opinion, you could try running a compound like Primo or EQ where the gains are dry and much slower but do stick around. For me, the gains from Primo stuck around even when I went down to TRT levels of Test.
In n Out is the best burger chain in America and it’s not particularly close. Just wish they had them out my way. Instead we settle for Shake Shack, which is quite good.
KFC is the only thing I miss since going meat-free. American KFC was all just breadcrumbs but the UK KFC is by far the best. If I had to eat meat, it would be a 14 piece KFC bucket and 4 fries, like old times.
I have two In N Outs within 3 miles. My guilty pleasure is (2) 4x1s (4 patties x 1 cheese). Used to be my post workout snack when I was young and skinny, first time trying to get bigger.
I’m not sure if you recall, but this has/was my plan for a next cycle for a while now, until I started toying with the idea of Tren. I was considering running 800mg primo and 200-300mg of Test for ~16 weeks.
I remember you saying those gains stuck more than anything else, but you are on TRT.
My biggest concern is that I drop big money on primo, get great gains, but once back to natural levels, my body goes back to 195 where it seems to want to be.
If I do decide to go on TRT, primo would absolutely be the first “blast” I ran. Have really wanted to try it.
Just remember this is theoretical and one mans opinion. Although I would agree you will likely gain and maintain some reasonable mass by optimizing your T levels. That euphoric feeling doesn’t last however just be aware. @unreal24278 might be able to explain the effects of T on dopamine I’m just starting to research it .
Oh, I certainly get that. I was only referencing his post, as he was the only one who really mentioned what I might be able to maintain. Whereas big boy was saying that I already received feedback from others that i won’t be able to maintain the size I desire… which wasn’t quite the case.
I have my doubts that there would be any euphoric feeling from a simple TRT dose. Just test alone at 500mg hasn’t given me the all out incredible feeling until adding DBol or Var. The one thing that test has given me alone is that muscular fullness. As crazy as it sounds, I truly believe I “walk taller”. My wife has commented she even notices a change in my posture when on and off cycle.
But again, my fear is definitely that trt doses will not provide what I desire.
