rsg my parents never layed a hand on me, the worst they would do is hold me by my arms at my sides and talk to me very directly.
i disagree thatyou need to hit your children, it’s just easier to do that then figure out the parenting (which im not saying insultingly, it truly is). being a parent is the hardest thing in the world sometimes.
I have turned out fine, i am very gentle and kind and don’t really get myself into trouble. I respect adults if they deserve it and have a very even temper.
[quote]schultzie wrote:
rsg my parents never layed a hand on me, the worst they would do is hold me by my arms at my sides and talk to me very directly.
i disagree thatyou need to hit your children, it’s just easier to do that then figure out the parenting (which im not saying insultingly, it truly is). being a parent is the hardest thing in the world sometimes.
I have turned out fine, i am very gentle and kind and don’t really get myself into trouble. I respect adults if they deserve it and have a very even temper.[/quote]
Yeah, I think both methods do work, but I’ve grown up to me a strapping young lad too.
But the kids nowadays have absolutely no fucking respect for adults or people older than them - if not the parents - someone has got to give them a beating to keep them in line and put them in place.
“I’m not understanding how her friends telling her to lie there and take the assault was an attempt to help her cope.”
— Granted, I’m reading much into this. However, I believe OG’s friends were horrified by what happened. They probably feel a sense of shirked responsibility, as you mentioned. Her friends telling her she should’ve just taken it could be an unfortunate attempt at helping her cope because they’re trying to give her advice on how to handle such situations. Yeah, they’re wrong, but there’s something about the words which sparks a memory in me… not to get all cryptic, but I know I’ve seen it before and it was an attempt at help.
“That and the “you shouldn’t have wandered off” seems more like them assuaging a guilty conscience over what happened.”
— That’s very possible. It could also be their feelings about the situation. Of course, if they were too drunk to walk with her to the car, their advice is irrelevant anyways.
“To take the position of “never no matter what” is asinine and idealistic. The whole “raging she beasts” thing is good for a laugh, but you’re just hiding from uncomfortable reality.”
— It may be idealistic, but I’m neither asinine nor hiding from uncomfortable reality. It is a personal stance and conviction that a man should never hit a woman.
The myriad attempts to find a plausible situation in which a man can justifiably strike a woman give the impression of hostility towards women looking for an excuse to be unleashed. Do I believe that all the T-Nation members are angry woman-haters? Absolutely not. These various, highly implausible situations of, “If she’s running at you with a sword in one hand and a buckler in the other while screaming unspeakable disrespect, blah blah blah” are simply ridiculous. Do I think that women are capable of violence? Absolutely. I still do not believe that men should strike women. If a man is truly in serious danger, I’m convinced that there are other ways to extract oneself or other innocent parties without laying a beat-down on a female. That’s my stance.
Of course, we’ve totally gotten off the subject. We’ve also failed to question the cause for all of this supposed female rage in the first place.
My conviction is this: I don't hit women.
[quote]TriednTrue wrote:
My conviction is this: I don't hit women. [/quote]
The problem is that you see things in black and white. Not all women are angels, and following that train of thought not all men hate women. The problem with black and white thinking is that you don’t see the world beyond your own eyes. In between the two is a million shades of grey.
[quote]TriednTrue wrote:
…without laying a beat-down on a female. That’s my stance.[/quote]
Umm… I think you need to scroll back and read this thread. No one here is advocating the beat down on anyone.
In a true self defense situation i would have no problem with hitting, stabbing, shooting, or running over woman.
Now the odds of that might be very, very low. Odds are that I will probably never be in a life threatening situation and the odds are more against it being a woman than a man.
But weird stuff does happen, talk to a police officer. now of course this doesn’t mean a mouthy drunk girl, and argument, or someone who has insulted you. this is were a jury would say justifiable self defense.
Of course, I also follow these rules for men.
And believe it or not, women can carry knives, guns, and other weapons. Violent crimes by women are on the rise. but common sense will keep you out of most of these situations. Just don’t go were angels fear to tread.
I don’t think anyone’s approving the wanton bashing of women. But in the highly unlikely event where you or your loved ones physical safety is put into serious jeopardy by a man OR woman, and it’s not a matter of your ego, and there’s absolutely no way out … well, if you find yourself in that situation, I think we know what a rational person would do.
BTW, one thing I have learned (and subsequently had to use) from a bouncer friend is when approaching what appears to be a domestic, always ask the woman (who’s generally the one being beat up) if she wants help, before stepping in. Otherwise, and this happens A LOT, you’ll potentially be fighting her partner AND her.
Just wait until we start discussing hitting someone who is transgender… that could take five or six pages!
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Just wait until we start discussing hitting someone who is transgender… that could take five or six pages![/quote]
Not really, same rules apply. If you actually deserve it, you get it. Gender should really be taken out of the picture.
Again: NOT ADVOCATING WANTON BASHING OF ANYONE!!