To All The Unbelievers

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

So what you are saying is that YOU have never ever sinned in your lifetime? Am I understanding your position correctly?

Yes thast is correct Steve, I do not beleive in god therefore I do not beleive in any thing to do with Christianity include sins.

In your beleif system you will beleive I have sinned.

I am not a criminal, I am not anti social or violent and I am helpful to my fellow man, as far as i am concerned I am a good person and I need not concern myself with YOUR rule book chastising me for getting a woody over the ass worship thread.
[/quote]

You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

[/quote]

Good grief. What is going on inside your head? Anything at all? Why are you grilling anyone over this if they choose to not believe? Are you trying to force them to believe? Your approach is wrong and so is your basic consideration of the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of others. However, I know you won’t understand this. I suppose the purpose of even writing this is so that those reading it can understand that not all people who believe in God act or think like the guy who keeps this thread going.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

So what you are saying is that YOU have never ever sinned in your lifetime? Am I understanding your position correctly?

Yes thast is correct Steve, I do not beleive in god therefore I do not beleive in any thing to do with Christianity include sins.

In your beleif system you will beleive I have sinned.

I am not a criminal, I am not anti social or violent and I am helpful to my fellow man, as far as i am concerned I am a good person and I need not concern myself with YOUR rule book chastising me for getting a woody over the ass worship thread.

You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

[/quote]

Yes SteveO I have told lies, I have stolen things, and I lust after women every single day, but I have no god to answer too, so I do not care that these acts would be considered sins by Christians.

I answer to nobody except myself, like I have stated before IF when I die I find out that I am wrong and that there really is a god, and I have a lifetime of unrepented sins behind me, all I will do is ask god for his Christian forgivness.

Actually I would probably tell him to fuck off, and tell him he is a sick and twisted arsehole for having the power to stop a world full of suffering and choosing not too, Heaven sounds like a real bore anyway.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:

Actually I would probably tell him to fuck off, and tell him he is a sick and twisted arsehole for having the power to stop a world full of suffering and choosing not too, Heaven sounds like a real bore anyway.
[/quote]
Theodicy discussion, anyone?

:wink:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

Good grief. What is going on inside your head? Anything at all? Why are you grilling anyone over this if they choose to not believe? Are you trying to force them to believe? Your approach is wrong and so is your basic consideration of the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of others. However, I know you won’t understand this. I suppose the purpose of even writing this is so that those reading it can understand that not all people who believe in God act or think like the guy who keeps this thread going.[/quote]

Perhaps they should consider doing what I am doing. I, too, don’t expect that you will understand what I am about to say, but according to God’s Word, there is a judgement coming and that judgement will consign people who don’t believe to an eternal Hell (see Luke 16 for Jesus’ take on this).

What I am “doing” is not forcing anyone to believe – you know better than that! I am, however, prodding others to think about their eternal destiny and I am challenging statements such as “I am a good person,” “I’ll be OK,” etc.

I am doing NO MORE, Professor, then what YOU do in your posts about a wide variety of topics. The thing that you seem to find disturbing is that it is in the realm of Christianity and eternity. For some reason, while it is OK for you to challenge people in the things you post, it is not OK for me to do so in the things I post.

Sounds like a double standard to me and it is quite illogical for such as logical person as a “professor,” don’t ya think?

BTW – What are YOU going to do about YOUR sin?

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

So what you are saying is that YOU have never ever sinned in your lifetime? Am I understanding your position correctly?

Yes thast is correct Steve, I do not beleive in god therefore I do not beleive in any thing to do with Christianity include sins.

In your beleif system you will beleive I have sinned.

I am not a criminal, I am not anti social or violent and I am helpful to my fellow man, as far as i am concerned I am a good person and I need not concern myself with YOUR rule book chastising me for getting a woody over the ass worship thread.

You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

Yes SteveO I have told lies, I have stolen things, and I lust after women every single day, but I have no god to answer too, so I do not care that these acts would be considered sins by Christians.

I answer to nobody except myself, like I have stated before IF when I die I find out that I am wrong and that there really is a god, and I have a lifetime of unrepented sins behind me, all I will do is ask god for his Christian forgivness.

Actually I would probably tell him to fuck off, and tell him he is a sick and twisted arsehole for having the power to stop a world full of suffering and choosing not too, Heaven sounds like a real bore anyway.
[/quote]

I appreciate your honesty about your sin. Actually, it is God who calls such things sins and the fact that you have committed them means that you owe God a debt. How are you going to pay?

The thing of it is, is that God has already paid your fine for you. You only have to accept the gift that He has paid – Jesus Christ died to pay this debt. You accept His payment by accepting Him as Savior.

When you die – it will be too late for you to say anything to God. God is not mocked – He will simply point to His Word and even this discussion to show how you refused the payment when you had the chance. It is the same with a crimminal who refuses the plea bargain and then gets prison time.

Time is short…your move…

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

Good grief. What is going on inside your head? Anything at all? Why are you grilling anyone over this if they choose to not believe? Are you trying to force them to believe? Your approach is wrong and so is your basic consideration of the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of others. However, I know you won’t understand this. I suppose the purpose of even writing this is so that those reading it can understand that not all people who believe in God act or think like the guy who keeps this thread going.

Perhaps they should consider doing what I am doing. I, too, don’t expect that you will understand what I am about to say, but according to God’s Word, there is a judgement coming and that judgement will consign people who don’t believe to an eternal Hell (see Luke 16 for Jesus’ take on this).

What I am “doing” is not forcing anyone to believe – you know better than that! I am, however, prodding others to think about their eternal destiny and I am challenging statements such as “I am a good person,” “I’ll be OK,” etc.

I am doing NO MORE, Professor, then what YOU do in your posts about a wide variety of topics. The thing that you seem to find disturbing is that it is in the realm of Christianity and eternity. For some reason, while it is OK for you to challenge people in the things you post, it is not OK for me to do so in the things I post.

Sounds like a double standard to me and it is quite illogical for such as logical person as a “professor,” don’t ya think?

BTW – What are YOU going to do about YOUR sin?
[/quote]

Congrats. I now consider you insane. You were wavering on the edge of that distinction. This response has sent you over the edge.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT YOUR INSANITY!!???

You aren’t challenging anyone here. You aren’t provoking deeper thought. You are just pissing people off and closiong more minds than you could ever open. However, apparently you don’t see this.

Let me know when you convert someone.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

So what you are saying is that YOU have never ever sinned in your lifetime? Am I understanding your position correctly?

Yes thast is correct Steve, I do not beleive in god therefore I do not beleive in any thing to do with Christianity include sins.

In your beleif system you will beleive I have sinned.

I am not a criminal, I am not anti social or violent and I am helpful to my fellow man, as far as i am concerned I am a good person and I need not concern myself with YOUR rule book chastising me for getting a woody over the ass worship thread.

You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

Yes SteveO I have told lies, I have stolen things, and I lust after women every single day, but I have no god to answer too, so I do not care that these acts would be considered sins by Christians.

I answer to nobody except myself, like I have stated before IF when I die I find out that I am wrong and that there really is a god, and I have a lifetime of unrepented sins behind me, all I will do is ask god for his Christian forgivness.

Actually I would probably tell him to fuck off, and tell him he is a sick and twisted arsehole for having the power to stop a world full of suffering and choosing not too, Heaven sounds like a real bore anyway.

I appreciate your honesty about your sin. Actually, it is God who calls such things sins and the fact that you have committed them means that you owe God a debt. How are you going to pay?

The thing of it is, is that God has already paid your fine for you. You only have to accept the gift that He has paid – Jesus Christ died to pay this debt. You accept His payment by accepting Him as Savior.

When you die – it will be too late for you to say anything to God. God is not mocked – He will simply point to His Word and even this discussion to show how you refused the payment when you had the chance. It is the same with a crimminal who refuses the plea bargain and then gets prison time.

Time is short…your move…

[/quote]

Let us get one thing straight right now, jesus did not die for anyones sins, Jesus died becuase a shit load of rock hard Roman soldiers armed with loads of weapons nailed his scrawny ass to a cross and left him there to die, thats why he died, no excuses, no further explations or conspiricy theories required.

Steve I have tried to be polite about it, but at the end of the day there is no god to answer to, so I do not care about sins and heaven, trust me if there was a god he would have took me out years ago, cos I have been mocking him big time for the past 15 years or so.

These sins you speak of were created thousands of years ago to enforce law and order onto a relitavely simple society. You are allowing yourself and your life to be constrained by boogey man stories written in ancient times.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:

Let us get one thing straight right now, jesus did not die for anyones sins, [/quote]

…or he did an you reject it…

…or there is and you reject him…

And because he has not “taken you out years ago” he does not exist?

Quite an assumption huh? :slight_smile:

Or it actually happened.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

So what you are saying is that YOU have never ever sinned in your lifetime? Am I understanding your position correctly?

Yes thast is correct Steve, I do not beleive in god therefore I do not beleive in any thing to do with Christianity include sins.

In your beleif system you will beleive I have sinned.

I am not a criminal, I am not anti social or violent and I am helpful to my fellow man, as far as i am concerned I am a good person and I need not concern myself with YOUR rule book chastising me for getting a woody over the ass worship thread.

You say you are a “good” person. Fair enough. Let us test this simply, as you say, with…and oh, by the way, it is not MY rule book, it is God’s rule book.

(1) Have you ever told a lie?

(2) Have you ever stolen something? (Doesn’t have to be big – could have been a cookie when you were 5 or a pen from work…etc)

(3) Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust? (oh, actually you sort of confessed to this already).

I await your response…

Yes SteveO I have told lies, I have stolen things, and I lust after women every single day, but I have no god to answer too, so I do not care that these acts would be considered sins by Christians.

I answer to nobody except myself, like I have stated before IF when I die I find out that I am wrong and that there really is a god, and I have a lifetime of unrepented sins behind me, all I will do is ask god for his Christian forgivness.

Actually I would probably tell him to fuck off, and tell him he is a sick and twisted arsehole for having the power to stop a world full of suffering and choosing not too, Heaven sounds like a real bore anyway.

I appreciate your honesty about your sin. Actually, it is God who calls such things sins and the fact that you have committed them means that you owe God a debt. How are you going to pay?

The thing of it is, is that God has already paid your fine for you. You only have to accept the gift that He has paid – Jesus Christ died to pay this debt. You accept His payment by accepting Him as Savior.

When you die – it will be too late for you to say anything to God. God is not mocked – He will simply point to His Word and even this discussion to show how you refused the payment when you had the chance. It is the same with a crimminal who refuses the plea bargain and then gets prison time.

Time is short…your move…

[/quote]
AWWWEEEEE screw it…you guys win… I am converted…I am on the road to salvation ya’ll wooooooooo hooooooooo!!! I am saved mua fucka’s. I can now commit sins left and right. I can make outlandish assetions that do not require any of my own thought. AND I can tell everyone that i have the answer to life and they are WRONG. (ALL YOU SCOFFER LOSER F*CKS)

This method isnt half bad Stevo, thanks for the TRUTH bro, your a genius, and I am now better than everyone who doesnt beleive too…let’s go to the strip club so you can teach me the anwer that millions have tried to find for millions of years, and all along Stevo has had the TRUTH…i mean hell (no pun intended) its in a book, some one took the time to write it so it has to be true… right??..DAH…that way if any of these SCOFFER f*cks try to question me I can go…“well my uneducated, hellbound, loser friend, in Corinthians 17:2 the lord clearly states, 'bow unto me you scoffer pusswad, your very existence is a shit stain on society, and I will strikith you down and you will burn for eternity”
Stevo I am really starting to get the hang of this religious life.
Here we go:
Muslims are wrong, gays should all die a horrible death, buddist are retarded, Mormons WRONG, …Scientologist you need a brain scan, me and Steve have the TRUTH, repent all you losers who are not righteous like me and Stevo…Christianity BEOTCH!!!

ohhhh and stevo thats a SACRCASTIC tone!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me know when you convert someone. [/quote]

Well he converted me. Not to Christianity (God forbid!), but I realised what a colossal waste of time it was to discuss religion, beliefs or lack of such.

I’ve yet to witness even one person changing their minds about the topic after discussing it. So while it can be entertaining at first, it basically boils down to mental masturbation. These threads basically go on forever, until most people lose interest. Evolution gets mentioned, Hitler gets mentioned, Hell is heavily advertised. Wash, rinse, repeat.

And, pragmatically, it doesn’t change anything. Most people, be they theists or atheists, are generally decent and lead generally good lives. They care most of all about their immediate family, then their parents and friends; their local community and so on, with “caring about” diminishing as people get more and more remote in relation to you.

So I decided to simply STFU about it and look at the purty pictures on the “[some bodypart here] worship” threads.

I probably owe him a few hundred hours of typing time. So ol’ steve0 has at least “saved” those.

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[quote]pookie wrote:

I’ve yet to witness even one person changing their minds about the topic after discussing it. [/quote]

When you first plant a seed you don’t see it grow for a while.

Patience is a virtue.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
pookie wrote:

I’ve yet to witness even one person changing their minds about the topic after discussing it.

When you first plant a seed you don’t see it grow for a while.

Patience is a virtue.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I know. I still have hope for you and steve0; it’s not too late to give up the fairy tales and face reality.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
pookie wrote:

I’ve yet to witness even one person changing their minds about the topic after discussing it.

When you first plant a seed you don’t see it grow for a while.

Patience is a virtue.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]
ZEB has all the answers too…answer this one…why is our nation set up to have the seperation of church and state? if after all that’s the TRUTH?
could it possibly fu*cking be that they realize they are beleifs and not truths that cause people to debate endlessly for hours on end.

if it was up to one of you guys, we would have concentration camps for all the “non beleivers” to save them… has a scary ring to it huh?

I dont give our government too much credit, but damn am I glad they allow me to be an individual and determine my own lifestyle.

but keep pretending you guys know it all, and i will keep respecting people that have independent thought on these threads. I would respect one of you if you said “well heck cram, I may not have the answer, but I sure hope I do and thats where I place all my faith, and what I beleive in whole heartedly”
see how credible that sounds, that sounds intelligent and respectful of others…versus…“what will you do about your sins? you scoffer!!” “I know this goes against all of your beleifs, and you think differently but, I am right and you are wrong…I am so much better than you, and i have all the answers for everyone it’s in a book see?”

nevermind I just answered my question I totally understand why there is a seperation…it was rhetorical anyway.

I am not anti christian “for the record” I think it helps alot of pople deal with life and provides some structure…thats positive…but if you use religion so you dont have to think independently, and think the answer for everything and everyone is in that book you got bigger fish to fry, and that is destructive.

incorporate some of you own thoughts into the discussion.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
ZEB wrote:
pookie wrote:

I’ve yet to witness even one person changing their minds about the topic after discussing it.

When you first plant a seed you don’t see it grow for a while.

Patience is a virtue.

:slight_smile:

I know. I still have hope for you and steve0; it’s not too late to give up the fairy tales and face reality.

:)[/quote]

And not too late for you to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]cram2012 wrote:

ZEB has all the answers too…answer this one…why is our nation set up to have the seperation of church and state? if after all that’s the TRUTH?
could it possibly fu*cking be that they realize they are beleifs and not truths that cause people to debate endlessly for hours on end.[/quote]

Religion is about faith. I never stated otherwise.

Well that’s interesting.

With all of the things that I have stated in my many posts on this site I have never said such a thing. Yet, you seem to be accusing me of it.

Odd huh?

When you want to insult someone on the Internet…

do what your compatriots do everyone when they want to make a point and don’t have one. take something that I actually said out of context…give it an additional twist and then spew it back in my face.

But this concentration camp crap is just nutty.

Why are you talking nutty?

Just sort of ranting on the Internet?

I understand if that’s what it is. I mean you don’t know me so why not? It’s free and you can’t get in trouble.

I understand.

Yes that’s a good thing I agree (minor eye roll).

Know it all?

Not me Bub!

I do know some things however. And what I know, I know. You know what I mean?

And whom you choose to respect on this forum is actually irrelevant.

[quote]I would respect one of you if you said “well heck cram, I may not have the answer, but I sure hope I do and thats where I place all my faith, and what I beleive in whole heartedly”
see how credible that sounds, that sounds intelligent and respectful of others…[/quote]

Okay…Let’s see how close I can get to that:

“Heck cram, I may not have all the answers. But I do believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. And that he walked the earth and died for our sins.”

Like that?

No probably not huh?

Keep in mind that the scriptures are supposed to divide us…not unite us. You must have seen Hollywoods version huh?

yea (cough) I can tell.

Why…thank you for your opinion.

[quote]incorporate some of you own thoughts into the discussion.
[/quote]

Well…okay, I think you’re an ignorant ass. :slight_smile:

Kidding…Kidding…

Now do you see what happens when I inject my own thoughts?

I just start kidding around and can’t be serious…

Seriously,

I answered your questions. Now you answer a few of mine.

Fair?

  1. Why did you sign up for the best body building web site on the Internet and use your first five posts blasting God and Jesus Christ? I mean why not talk about blasting the back or pecs?

  2. Have you ever read the Bible from cover to cover? If so have you studied any of the passages in the Bible?

I look forward to reading your answers.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
And not too late for you to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

:)[/quote]

Well, one can’t predict what the onset of senility will bring… I’m hoping for at least another 40 to 50 years of lucidity, though.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
cram2012 wrote:

ZEB has all the answers too…answer this one…why is our nation set up to have the seperation of church and state? if after all that’s the TRUTH?
could it possibly fu*cking be that they realize they are beleifs and not truths that cause people to debate endlessly for hours on end.

Religion is about faith. I never stated otherwise.

if it was up to one of you guys, we would have concentration camps for all the “non beleivers” to save them… has a scary ring to it huh?

Well that’s interesting.

With all of the things that I have stated in my many posts on this site I have never said such a thing. Yet, you seem to be accusing me of it.

Odd huh?

When you want to insult someone on the Internet…

do what your compatriots do everyone when they want to make a point and don’t have one. take something that I actually said out of context…give it an additional twist and then spew it back in my face.

But this concentration camp crap is just nutty.

Why are you talking nutty?

Just sort of ranting on the Internet?

I understand if that’s what it is. I mean you don’t know me so why not? It’s free and you can’t get in trouble.

I understand.

I dont give our government too much credit, but damn am I glad they allow me to be an individual and determine my own lifestyle.

Yes that’s a good thing I agree (minor eye roll).

but keep pretending you guys know it all, and i will keep respecting people that have independent thought on these threads.

Know it all?

Not me Bub!

I do know some things however. And what I know, I know. You know what I mean?

And whom you choose to respect on this forum is actually irrelevant.

I would respect one of you if you said “well heck cram, I may not have the answer, but I sure hope I do and thats where I place all my faith, and what I beleive in whole heartedly”
see how credible that sounds, that sounds intelligent and respectful of others…

Okay…Let’s see how close I can get to that:

“Heck cram, I may not have all the answers. But I do believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. And that he walked the earth and died for our sins.”

Like that?

No probably not huh?

Keep in mind that the scriptures are supposed to divide us…not unite us. You must have seen Hollywoods version huh?

I am not anti christian “for the record”

yea (cough) I can tell.

I think it helps alot of pople deal with life and provides some structure…thats positive…but if you use religion so you dont have to think independently, and think the answer for everything and everyone is in that book you got bigger fish to fry, and that is destructive.

Why…thank you for your opinion.

incorporate some of you own thoughts into the discussion.

Well…okay, I think you’re an ignorant ass. :slight_smile:

Kidding…Kidding…

Now do you see what happens when I inject my own thoughts?

I just start kidding around and can’t be serious…

Seriously,

I answered your questions. Now you answer a few of mine.

Fair?

  1. Why did you sign up for the best body building web site on the Internet and use your first five posts blasting God and Jesus Christ? I mean why not talk about blasting the back or pecs?

  2. Have you ever read the Bible from cover to cover? If so have you studied any of the passages in the Bible?

I look forward to reading your answers.

[/quote]
HA HA HA I must have struck a cord, TWANNNNNGGGG!!!
I’ll answer your questions:
have I read the Bible cover to cover? what do you think smart guy. I have no need to, I wasnt force fed it as a child, and I dont beleive in Christianity. have you read the torah cover to cover?..same ingnorant question

Why do I choose to chime in about people making assertions on the internet? same reason you do smart guy.

ohh and now you want to attack me because I dont pretend to be an expert body builder…its all good, I am swole, and this website provides some awesome fitness education. case and point, why am I going to pretend that I have world class weight training advice if I don’t.

any other stupid questions?..you guys sure have alot of questions even though you have all the answers!

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[quote]pookie wrote:
ZEB wrote:
And not too late for you to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

:slight_smile:

Well, one can’t predict what the onset of senility will bring… I’m hoping for at least another 40 to 50 years of lucidity, though.
[/quote]

When do you think it will begin?

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[quote]cram2012 wrote:

I’ll answer your questions:
have I read the Bible cover to cover? what do you think smart guy. I have no need to, [/quote]

Thank you, that pretty much invalidates your opinion on the issue. I’ll try to refrain from critiquing a book that I DON’T read as well.

But probably half of my posts or more are on training.

[quote]any other stupid questions?..
[/quote]

Not right now, but If I have anything else to say to you I will summon you. Until then go back to being an Internet tough guy…We needed another Internet trash talker on this site, welcome aboard.