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[quote]Goal=Colossus wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
PhunkNU wrote:
Are adults supposed to have imaginary friends? I don’t think so, so tell me why do so many people have the same imaginary friend? Are we not taught to be individuals and have self expression. Believe in yourself and the world will be a better place.

Funny how millions of people since the beginning of recorded history have the same imaginary friend! Not only that, but this “friend” has given them all similar information at different times. People who had no connection to one another just happened to “imagine” the same information!

Wow! There has got to be some astronomical odds on that happening!

Recorded history started way before Jesus.

Nobody just felt the presence of Jesus randomly and realized it was Jesus.
His first followers saw him in person.
Every body from then on was told or read about him.
After that every emotional burst or sudden epiphany was attributed to the the imagination of the power of Jesus.
This of course, is just an example of how the mind can create abstract allusions in order to proliferate some meaning or purpose in life and keep sane.

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Don’t think so Bro. I was referring to God, as the God that Israel and non-Jews understood long before Jesus. This is the same God that Muslims worship as well. If you know history you will know what I’m talking about.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Goal=Colossus wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
PhunkNU wrote:
Are adults supposed to have imaginary friends? I don’t think so, so tell me why do so many people have the same imaginary friend? Are we not taught to be individuals and have self expression. Believe in yourself and the world will be a better place.

Funny how millions of people since the beginning of recorded history have the same imaginary friend! Not only that, but this “friend” has given them all similar information at different times. People who had no connection to one another just happened to “imagine” the same information!

Wow! There has got to be some astronomical odds on that happening!

Recorded history started way before Jesus.

Nobody just felt the presence of Jesus randomly and realized it was Jesus.
His first followers saw him in person.
Every body from then on was told or read about him.
After that every emotional burst or sudden epiphany was attributed to the the imagination of the power of Jesus.
This of course, is just an example of how the mind can create abstract allusions in order to proliferate some meaning or purpose in life and keep sane.

Don’t think so Bro. I was referring to God, as the God that Israel and non-Jews understood long before Jesus. This is the same God that Muslims worship as well. If you know history you will know what I’m talking about.

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Recorded history started before that god too. Egyption and other heiroglyphs are much older than the Exodus and Monotheism.

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why can’t you guys just be mormons? they are better than christians anyways. you christians should hang out with some mormons, they are putting you all to shame. i think mormonism is hilarious, but the people are too cool. take notes christians, you could learn a thing or two.

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[quote]Goal=Colossus wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Goal=Colossus wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
PhunkNU wrote:
Are adults supposed to have imaginary friends? I don’t think so, so tell me why do so many people have the same imaginary friend? Are we not taught to be individuals and have self expression. Believe in yourself and the world will be a better place.

Funny how millions of people since the beginning of recorded history have the same imaginary friend! Not only that, but this “friend” has given them all similar information at different times. People who had no connection to one another just happened to “imagine” the same information!

Wow! There has got to be some astronomical odds on that happening!

Recorded history started way before Jesus.

Nobody just felt the presence of Jesus randomly and realized it was Jesus.
His first followers saw him in person.
Every body from then on was told or read about him.
After that every emotional burst or sudden epiphany was attributed to the the imagination of the power of Jesus.
This of course, is just an example of how the mind can create abstract allusions in order to proliferate some meaning or purpose in life and keep sane.

Don’t think so Bro. I was referring to God, as the God that Israel and non-Jews understood long before Jesus. This is the same God that Muslims worship as well. If you know history you will know what I’m talking about.

Recorded history started before that god too. Egyption and other heiroglyphs are much older than the Exodus and Monotheism.[/quote]

muslims? the muslim religion is fairly new. before that there was zoroastrianism(spelling). know your history my ass.

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  • it seems that man, more and more these days, is ever-ready to confront his neighbor, saying: ‘my concept of god is superior to yours,’ or ‘God himself has made it known that my religion is the one, and all others un-sanctified.’ what they do not see, is that people are drawn by conscience to whichever religion is best suited for them at their particular stage of spiritual evolution; so, it is another illusion to believe one right and another wrong. the true question is; right for whom?.. for what kind of person? no one’s truth can be stretched to cover all, and yet man keeps trying - in the name of god no less! shun man make truth: that which ‘makes god in the image of man;’ seek your own path. never compromise your own spiritual world, for another’s… never replace the ‘I’ with ‘we;’ yet as like minds attract, do not be reluctant to join in communion with others whose paths are like your own - others with similar religious needs. but never compromise.

religions which insist that they alone possess truth to the exclusion of all others, simply display their immaturity; the wise have always seen this. for the world has ever-been, ever-is, and ever-will-be, full of multitudes ready to condemn… crowds ready to consider… handfuls ready to move on: the once, twice and thrice born of the world. do you see why no one path could be totally right for all? mankind is always one grand mix of a ‘people becoming,’ at different speeds…

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

Both of us cannot be correct – one is and one is not. If I am wrong, then I live a fairly good life, and then “poof” I am gone and nothing else is there. However, if I am correct that the Bible is correct (AND IT IS!) then, I spend eternity with the Lord and you spend eternity cast out into the darkness of fire, burning for eternity.

…Are you sure you want to take this risk?

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hahahahaha! you just almost made me fall out of my fucking chair! i heard someone say those exact same words, you know who said them? hmm? no? santa clause, yes santa; if your a good little boy then santa brings you goodies and presents, but if your bad then santa brings you coal. you should hear yourself man, you sound like hitler trying to scare the masses into believing that they will burn if they dont follow.
-excuse me sir? have you accepted crist into your life?
-why no i havent
-well… you can spend an eternity burning in hell while you think about it, have a nice day!

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well put YS. People love to regurgitate the bible because it gives them a false sense of security, and alleviates the need to think for themselves.
It must suck living your life in fear…“I need to be a good little boy because my mommy told me I will rot in hell if I’m not.” it seems to be a way to control the masses…and guess what it works… WELL!

ask yourself this: are you a good person because deep down you know, intuitively, you shouldn’t lie, cheat, and steal because it has negative implications. Or are you a good person because the bible tells you that is how your supposed to behave.

Religious folks love to flaunt that sh*t in your face…“I am righteous…I am better than you…I am on the road to salvation…you are going to rot in hell because you are not like me…my dad can beat up your dad…nanny nanny boo booo.”

Live your life and dont worry about what the F*ck I do, or what the next man does. If religion helps you develop a framework that allows a more fullfilling life…thats awesome!!! it doesnt work for me though, I respect everyone’s beleifs, but wont make moves unless I am doing what I feel.

Let me ask this…if I am a “good person” all my life but do not accept Jesus into my heart…I will got to hell right?..but according to your religion, a child molesting sodomizer, that accepts god will go to heaven and live an eternal life on a fluffy cloud with an ulimited supply of grapes being fed to him…while my a$$ is getting barbequed like a shishkabob…

what a crock of sht …wake up!!! and start refocuing your energy on doing tangible things to improve your life, your family’s life, and make a positive contribution to this world…because believe it or not you and I will end up in the same place in the “after life.” You dont know the fuking truth and neither do I, so lets not pretend we have the answer to save all mankind

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I just skimmed over the majority of this thread, so i’m sorry if these comments have been made.

First off, i am a christian.

For everyone who is wondering what the deal is with these threads; the OP obviously beleives in the bible and in God. He is not trying to force this on anybody, he is just trying to tell everyone about it.

I am sure there is someone reading this thread who is now curious about Jesus Christ and Christianity. And although it is true that you cannot force this on ppl, Christians beleive that we must tell people about it, and it is so that as many ppl as possible will be saved, and it is for that reason only.

I am really sorry if any of you have had experiences with so called christians acting above you. This is not what I know or what I beleive. No one is any better than anyone else.

As far as the bible goes, the bible has many reasons for us to beleive it is true. The fact that it was written over thousands of yrs, by many many different writers, all claiming to be inspired by God. The amazing thing is, the bible all ties in together, even though it was written over so many yrs by so many different writers.

I am not trying to argue anything, I was just hoping to shed some light on the topic for anyone who was genuinely curious what the deal is with us christians.

Again, not trying to force feed anyone, or start a fight, but if anyone is curious about anything to do with this, dont hesitate to PM me.

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steveo,
I don’t normally respond to religious debates because I try to respect other people?s opinions, but you come off so self-confident and arrogant in your questioning, I felt the need say something. Also I noticed you are teacher and felt the need to “educate” you. First to answer your main question, I plan to do nothing - yes nothing, because I believe in God or any other deity irrational. Don’t worry I won’t quote inconstancies in the Bible, although there are enough. My beliefs as an atheist are quite simple.

To avoid misconceptions I’ll define what I consider “theist” and “atheist” belief, “theism” is most often defined as the belief in one or many deities, “atheism” as the prefix “a” indicated is non-theism or the non-belief in one or many deities. As is the case in any logical debate the burden of proof is always on the asserter e.g. if I say a fat man in red climbs down my chimney ever December 25th with presents, the burden of proof lies with me to prove his existence and not with you to disprove his existence. Imagine how court cases would run if the accused always had to prove his innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt. So until a theist can prove both logically and unequivocally that a god (or gods) exists, their belief rests only on illogical faith and I or any other logical person should not be bothered by them. As for the argument that it’s safer to believe that not to believe - life insurance salesman have better arguments to take your money.

Finally to give sources you should read, though I doubt you will, George H. Smith’s book “Atheism: The Case Against God” also for fun I’ll include a quote from Epicurus (he was an ancient Greek philosopher, though I doubt you studied any philosophy either to become a teacher).

“Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. … If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. … If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?”

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[quote]kheaslim wrote:
I just skimmed over the majority of this thread, so i’m sorry if these comments have been made.

First off, i am a christian.

For everyone who is wondering what the deal is with these threads; the OP obviously beleives in the bible and in God. He is not trying to force this on anybody, he is just trying to tell everyone about it.

I am sure there is someone reading this thread who is now curious about Jesus Christ and Christianity. And although it is true that you cannot force this on ppl, Christians beleive that we must tell people about it, and it is so that as many ppl as possible will be saved, and it is for that reason only.

I am really sorry if any of you have had experiences with so called christians acting above you. This is not what I know or what I beleive. No one is any better than anyone else.

As far as the bible goes, the bible has many reasons for us to beleive it is true. The fact that it was written over thousands of yrs, by many many different writers, all claiming to be inspired by God. The amazing thing is, the bible all ties in together, even though it was written over so many yrs by so many different writers.

I am not trying to argue anything, I was just hoping to shed some light on the topic for anyone who was genuinely curious what the deal is with us christians.

Again, not trying to force feed anyone, or start a fight, but if anyone is curious about anything to do with this, dont hesitate to PM me. [/quote]

kheaslim,

Thanks for a good post. I agree with what you said about my original intent and I am glad for anyone that, perhaps, will check these things out for himself or herself.

Thanks!

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[quote]reddavies wrote:
steveo,
I don’t normally respond to religious debates because I try to respect other people?s opinions, but you come off so self-confident and arrogant in your questioning, I felt the need say something. Also I noticed you are teacher and felt the need to “educate” you. First to answer your main question, I plan to do nothing - yes nothing, because I believe in God or any other deity irrational. Don’t worry I won’t quote inconstancies in the Bible, although there are enough. My beliefs as an atheist are quite simple.

To avoid misconceptions I’ll define what I consider “theist” and “atheist” belief, “theism” is most often defined as the belief in one or many deities, “atheism” as the prefix “a” indicated is non-theism or the non-belief in one or many deities. As is the case in any logical debate the burden of proof is always on the asserter e.g. if I say a fat man in red climbs down my chimney ever December 25th with presents, the burden of proof lies with me to prove his existence and not with you to disprove his existence. Imagine how court cases would run if the accused always had to prove his innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt. So until a theist can prove both logically and unequivocally that a god (or gods) exists, their belief rests only on illogical faith and I or any other logical person should not be bothered by them. As for the argument that it’s safer to believe that not to believe - life insurance salesman have better arguments to take your money.

Finally to give sources you should read, though I doubt you will, George H. Smith’s book “Atheism: The Case Against God” also for fun I’ll include a quote from Epicurus (he was an ancient Greek philosopher, though I doubt you studied any philosophy either to become a teacher).

“Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. … If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. … If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?”[/quote]

reddavies,

First of all, let me say that it is very difficult to express “tone” when one writes or “debates” in these types of threads. If you met me, I think (I hope) that you would see that I am not an arrogant person or a “self-confident” person. I lived a life of “self” for many years – it was a life of heart ache and futility.

What you see expressed is a confidence I have in the God of the Bible and His Word. I am 100% sure that the Bible is Absolute Truth and that everything it teaches is 100% Absolute Truth.

I place my entire confidence and my eternal future in the hand of a loving Savior, Jesus Christ, by whom God made the World, and by whom, we are saved if we come to Him in faith.

I am sorry that you deny God and His truth. As I have said many times in this and other threads, we both CANNOT be correct. One of us is wrong or both of us are wrong, but we both cannot be correct.

Eternity awaits…time will tell…

Take care!

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your a teacher and you dont think you can express tone through writing…WOW, thats another discussion.

it is always pointless debating beliefs/religion because people are not willing to let others dictate their thoughts. And no one will be persuaded, that thinks for themselves, through the use of FEAR… for example…“what will you do about your sins!!! my god will strike you down and make you burn in hell for all of eternity, ect, ect…!!!”

but I will convey some TRUTH to you since you are having trouble with the definition. The TRUTH is you do not know the answer to this debate, nor do I, or anyone else that has chimed in on this topic. We all have beliefs or convictions about what we wish was true, what we think is true, or what we hope is true. but at the end of the day it is a mystery that has puzzled mankind for sometime. That is the only absolute truth you are given in this lifetime homie.

So as I have stated before you have a FAITH, not a TRUTH, that you are banking on. I can tell that it helps you live you life, and helps you explain why F’d up sh*t happens. Thats great!!! congratulations!!! but you seem to feel uncomfortable that others have opposing views or beleifs, it makes you churn in your sleep that you could possibly be wrong, and others will not agree with you to reaffirm your convictions, otherwise you wouldnt have started this rediculous thread to help your insecurities.

I dont suffer that problem I am happy accepting that I dont know the answer, that life contains some mystery that will never be answered until my heart stops…my advice: let go and realize you cannot control or possess the TRUTH, you CAN accept the fact that you have a faith, and others have an opposing faith, and some love this life and dont need to fill a gap of insecurity that there is a “better life” awaiting them…this life rocks as it is…no stings attached … to each his own. You are not better than others because you THINK you have the answer for everyone, sorry if that upsets you

“right on to the real and death to the fakers” - Outkast early 90’s

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[quote]cram2012 wrote:
your a teacher and you dont think you can express tone through writing…WOW, thats another discussion.

it is always pointless debating beliefs/religion because people are not willing to let others dictate their thoughts. And no one will be persuaded, that thinks for themselves, through the use of FEAR… for example…“what will you do about your sins!!! my god will strike you down and make you burn in hell for all of eternity, ect, ect…!!!”

but I will convey some TRUTH to you since you are having trouble with the definition. The TRUTH is you do not know the answer to this debate, nor do I, or anyone else that has chimed in on this topic. We all have beliefs or convictions about what we wish was true, what we think is true, or what we hope is true. but at the end of the day it is a mystery that has puzzled mankind for sometime. That is the only absolute truth you are given in this lifetime homie.

So as I have stated before you have a FAITH, not a TRUTH, that you are banking on. I can tell that it helps you live you life, and helps you explain why F’d up sh*t happens. Thats great!!! congratulations!!! but you seem to feel uncomfortable that others have opposing views or beleifs, it makes you churn in your sleep that you could possibly be wrong, and others will not agree with you to reaffirm your convictions, otherwise you wouldnt have started this rediculous thread to help your insecurities.

I dont suffer that problem I am happy accepting that I dont know the answer, that life contains some mystery that will never be answered until my heart stops…my advice: let go and realize you cannot control or possess the TRUTH, you CAN accept the fact that you have a faith, and others have an opposing faith, and some love this life and dont need to fill a gap of insecurity that there is a “better life” awaiting them…this life rocks as it is…no stings attached … to each his own. You are not better than others because you THINK you have the answer for everyone, sorry if that upsets you

“right on to the real and death to the fakers” - Outkast early 90’s[/quote]

Good post.

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[quote]cram2012 wrote:
your a teacher and you dont think you can express tone through writing…WOW, thats another discussion.[/quote]

Well, I did say it is “difficult to express tone…” not impossible. Also, I am a mathematician and not a writer. I do alright in writing, but it is not my primary subject. Well, enough of that…[quote]

it is always pointless debating beliefs/religion because people are not willing to let others dictate their thoughts. And no one will be persuaded, that thinks for themselves, through the use of FEAR… for example…“what will you do about your sins!!! my god will strike you down and make you burn in hell for all of eternity, ect, ect…!!!”[/quote]

Pointless? Not really. I think a good discussion can acomplish much, even if people have differing beliefs about these things. It only goes sour when some get very personal – which btw, usually happens on the side of the non-believers. Before you flame me for this statement, you can check out the myraids of posts on this thread and others that I have been involved with.[quote]

but I will convey some TRUTH to you since you are having trouble with the definition. [/quote]

No trouble here with the definition: TRUTH = (1) : the state of being the case : FACT (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : ACTUALITY (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true c : the body of true statements and propositions

This is exactly what I meant when I used the word. The Word of God = Truth.

Yes, by faith I believe this, but for example, before I came to faith (i.e. before I recognized the Bible to be Truth) IT STILL WAS TRUTH.

In other words, Truth is independent of subjective opinions. Truth is Truth no matter what…[quote]

The TRUTH is you do not know the answer to this debate, nor do I, or anyone else that has chimed in on this topic. [/quote]

Actually, I do know because the Word of God tells me so. I know that I am saved and I know that God is true. I know that Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to be saved and by Him alone does one get atonement for ones sins. These things I know (1 John 5:12). [quote]

We all have beliefs or convictions about what we wish was true, what we think is true, or what we hope is true. but at the end of the day it is a mystery that has puzzled mankind for sometime. That is the only absolute truth you are given in this lifetime homie. [/quote[

It would be, my friend, if it weren’t for the Bible – The Word of God. This is what is missing in your life. Have you ever read the Bible? When? How much of it? Who told you that there is no more truth than we just don’t know? Where did you get that idea from? [quote]

So as I have stated before you have a FAITH, not a TRUTH, that you are banking on. [/quote]

Correction once again, bro. I have a FAITH based upon TRUTH and so I am staking my entire eternal destiny on God’s TRUTH for which I have 100% FAITH. [quote]

I can tell that it helps you live you life, and helps you explain why F’d up sh*t happens. Thats great!!! congratulations!!! but you seem to feel uncomfortable that others have opposing views or beleifs, it makes you churn in your sleep that you could possibly be wrong, and others will not agree with you to reaffirm your convictions, otherwise you wouldnt have started this rediculous thread to help your insecurities.[/quote]

Sounds good, but you are totally wrong. I sleep very peacefully knowing that I am in the hands of a loving Savior. If I churn at all, it is out of a desire to see others come to the Savior before it is too late. I have a real burden to see others pulled out of the fire, as it were, that I was pulled from by the Lord Himself.

I think it helps you (and others) to think that my faith can be shaken, or I am somehow worried or intolerant of others. I have said this many times, this is America – you can believe anything you wish. I have no problem with differing opinions, except the fact that I know if a person continues to reject God, there will be eternal consequences.[quote]

I dont suffer that problem I am happy accepting that I dont know the answer, that life contains some mystery that will never be answered until my heart stops…my advice: let go and realize you cannot control or possess the TRUTH, you CAN accept the fact that you have a faith, and others have an opposing faith, and some love this life and dont need to fill a gap of insecurity that there is a “better life” awaiting them…this life rocks as it is…no stings attached … to each his own. You are not better than others because you THINK you have the answer for everyone, sorry if that upsets you[/quote]

I love life as well, but life will end all too soon in just a few years really. Then what? Have you really THOUGHT carefully about that?

All there is is not all that can be seen. This is where you are missing the mark and I pray that you will consider your eternal destiny. May you find the truth for yourself. [quote]

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It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…
[/quote]

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
OK – but where are you getting these “rules of life” from? What objective source are your beliefs rooted? What if you are wrong?

In other words, it seems that you have come up with a set of rules and axioms that call “sin” “wrongs,” and you have invented a way to “fix” these without any authoritative source…

…If the Bible is correct about sin and that the “wages of sin is death,” and there is a day of reckoning to come for all – then you are in peril with respect to your eternal destiny.

While you have every right to believe what you wish – this is America after all – it seems to me that you have no objective source for your beliefs as I do mine.

Both of us cannot be correct – one is and one is not. If I am wrong, then I live a fairly good life, and then “poof” I am gone and nothing else is there. However, if I am correct that the Bible is correct (AND IT IS!) then, I spend eternity with the Lord and you spend eternity cast out into the darkness of fire, burning for eternity.

…Are you sure you want to take this risk?

The bible is only literature, SteveO. Have you ever read any of it? Did you know your only knowledge of Jesus–and God for that matter comes from a book? Jesus is a fictional character, like Macbeth or Hamlet. To say it is truth because it was written is…well…stupid. You might as well glorify Achilles, or Heracles–or even Zeus. Which brings me to a different question? Seriously, this is not rhetorical–why do you believe in and worship Christ as apposed to the Greek and Roman or Norse gods. Is it because it is silly fiction?

The Bible offers little in the way of salvation as you so put it. At best it is a collection of bed-time stories for. If you are sadistic and like giving your children nightmares of the apocalypse read it to them before they go to sleep and have them repeat ‘The Lord’s Prayer’.

I could write a book right now and bury it somewhere where it wouldn’t be found for a thousand years or two and one day it could be proclaimed another testament to the truly idiotic sheep who are apt to believe everything they read…

[b] One problem with your whole premise and “reasoning:”

THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN & DIRECTED BY THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE! [/b]

…and for your information, I have read it many many times over and still read it every single day.
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Funny that god made shakespeare (and quite a few others) better writers than himself.

this thread blows my mind…

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

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So what you are saying is that YOU have never ever sinned in your lifetime? Am I understanding your position correctly?

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[quote]KE10 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
OK – but where are you getting these “rules of life” from? What objective source are your beliefs rooted? What if you are wrong?

In other words, it seems that you have come up with a set of rules and axioms that call “sin” “wrongs,” and you have invented a way to “fix” these without any authoritative source…

…If the Bible is correct about sin and that the “wages of sin is death,” and there is a day of reckoning to come for all – then you are in peril with respect to your eternal destiny.

While you have every right to believe what you wish – this is America after all – it seems to me that you have no objective source for your beliefs as I do mine.

Both of us cannot be correct – one is and one is not. If I am wrong, then I live a fairly good life, and then “poof” I am gone and nothing else is there. However, if I am correct that the Bible is correct (AND IT IS!) then, I spend eternity with the Lord and you spend eternity cast out into the darkness of fire, burning for eternity.

…Are you sure you want to take this risk?

The bible is only literature, SteveO. Have you ever read any of it? Did you know your only knowledge of Jesus–and God for that matter comes from a book? Jesus is a fictional character, like Macbeth or Hamlet. To say it is truth because it was written is…well…stupid. You might as well glorify Achilles, or Heracles–or even Zeus. Which brings me to a different question? Seriously, this is not rhetorical–why do you believe in and worship Christ as apposed to the Greek and Roman or Norse gods. Is it because it is silly fiction?

The Bible offers little in the way of salvation as you so put it. At best it is a collection of bed-time stories for. If you are sadistic and like giving your children nightmares of the apocalypse read it to them before they go to sleep and have them repeat ‘The Lord’s Prayer’.

I could write a book right now and bury it somewhere where it wouldn’t be found for a thousand years or two and one day it could be proclaimed another testament to the truly idiotic sheep who are apt to believe everything they read…

[b] One problem with your whole premise and “reasoning:”

THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN & DIRECTED BY THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE! [/b]

…and for your information, I have read it many many times over and still read it every single day.

Funny that god made shakespeare (and quite a few others) better writers than himself.

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Not really. A child can understand the basic rules of life from the Bible, while it takes some work to figure out Shakespeare…

…so what are you going to do about your sin?

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
It is truly amazing that nobody can answer a few simple questions. Oh, you guys rant and rave, but to answer a few specific questions, nah!

The following was my original question for all of the scoffers out there:[b]

So, what are your plans for dealing with your sin, since you reject God’s plan.

Please do the following in your answer:

(1) Be very specific – tell us what, specifically, you can do about your own sin debt.

(2) Talk about only yourself and your beliefs here.

(3) If you don’t believe in the Bible, don’t use the Bible against itself. That is not logical. If you don’t believe in something, then don’t use that something in your answer.

(4)Tell the specific authority that you are using – i.e. cite the source of your beliefs. What are they based upon? [/b]

Will someone answer these questions? CAN you answer these important questions?

We will see…

Yawn…

SteveO what you are not grasping and what has ben metionedpreviously is that if you DO NOT beleive in god, then you do not believe in his rules and regulations and points system to enter a hevean that you do not beleive in.

Hence non believers do not sin and therefore do not have to do anything about those sins. You might beleive that they have too, but again what you seem to have difficulty grasping is thats your belief and your beliefs do not affect those who do not wish to participate.

So what you are saying is that YOU have never ever sinned in your lifetime? Am I understanding your position correctly?

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Yes thast is correct Steve, I do not beleive in god therefore I do not beleive in any thing to do with Christianity include sins.

In your beleif system you will beleive I have sinned.

I am not a criminal, I am not anti social or violent and I am helpful to my fellow man, as far as i am concerned I am a good person and I need not concern myself with YOUR rule book chastising me for getting a woody over the ass worship thread.