To All The Unbelievers

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
While you have every right to believe what you wish – this is America after all – it seems to me that you have no objective source for your beliefs as I do mine.

Both of us cannot be correct – one is and one is not. If I am wrong, then I live a fairly good life, and then “poof” I am gone and nothing else is there. However, if I am correct that the Bible is correct (AND IT IS!) then, I spend eternity with the Lord and you spend eternity cast out into the darkness of fire, burning for eternity.

…Are you sure you want to take this risk?

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The bible is objective? Did I just read that correctly? I really want to laugh hysterically about that but I’m too busy banging my head on my desk over the narrow-mindedness of that statement. The bible is as objective as the koran, and I’m pretty sure I know how you feel about that book.

back on topic.

Must … resist urge … to post Baby Jesus Buttplug picture…

[quote]mazilla wrote:
back on topic.[/quote]

9%?

Jesus makes me laugh.

http://www.lowcarbcomedy.com/html/videos/therest/passionhill.htm

Silly Jesus.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2566269671806009973

Jesus cameos:

http://www.devilducky.com/media/40564/

I just googles that Cheryl Tweety and could’nt find any decent pictures

Steveo, many people including me doesn’t believe that the bible is true.

Why should we believe in the bible. It’s just an old book with a lot of stories. There are old books about trolls too, should we believe in trolls?

I don’t believe in any form of god either. There is no indication/evidence making it probable that god exists.

You base your belief on a church and a book telling you this. If a church and an old book told you that the universe was created by a flying spaghetti monster, would you believe it? It would be just as valid as christianity.

I’m not sure which “rules of life” [your quote] you are asking me about. If you’d like to clarify, I’ll be happy to give my best attempt at an answer.

Ok. Beliefs in general arise from a mixture of experiences starting from early infancy onwards. After that, if they are reinforced by other experiences, or are rewarding in some way, they’ll tend to persist; otherwise, they may be supplanted by other beliefs, or simply fade from relevance.

Maybe one is also predisposed to kinds of beliefs, or to certain ways of acquiring them.

I’m not sure what you kind of distinction you asking me to make between an “objective” source of a belief and any other kind of source. (Maybe it is related to your concept of “authorative” sources (see below)). Please explain.

About what? I only gave my opinion about how I plan to deal with what you called “sins”.

That “set of rules and axioms” is usage. The word “sin” in normal English has certain connotations; the word “wrongs” has other connotations; I used the word which I felt best suited my meaning.

I must make it clear that I don’t claim credit for inventing any of these things. I’m sorry if I gave that impression.

I’m not sure what type of distinction you are trying to make between an “authoritative source” of a belief and a non-authoritative one. By definition, EVERY source of a belief is “authoritative” in the sense that it had the power to induce the belief.

Well, the authors of your bible advocated certain kinds of action. Many people have advocated many things. Why would I want to take a piece of literature and try to show-horn its precepts - some of which are very dissonant with my philosophy on life - into my beliefs?

As mentioned, I don’t understand this terminology. Please explain.

[quote]If I am wrong, then I live a fairly good life, and then “poof” I am gone and nothing else is there. However, if I am correct that the Bible is correct (AND IT IS!) then, I spend eternity with the Lord and you spend eternity cast out into the darkness of fire, burning for eternity.

…Are you sure you want to take this risk?[/quote]

Think about it. Over time, there have been a vast number of contradictory declarations about how people ought to behave - and a good many of these declarations have been drummed home by threats, some supernatural (such as the christian concept of hell) and others more earthly. Whatever my beliefs are, they’re going to be at odds with something that somebody once wrote or said. In short, no matter what I do, someone, somewhere will be able to say it’s wrong.

This isn’t a “risk” - it’s a certainty.

[quote]muller__ wrote:
Steveo, many people including me doesn’t believe that the bible is true.

Why should we believe in the bible.[/quote]

Fulfilled prophecy. Have you studied this aspect out?[quote]

It’s just an old book with a lot of stories. There are old books about trolls too, should we believe in trolls?[/quote]

Who told you this? How do you know that this is true? What if you are wrong?[quote]

I don’t believe in any form of god either. There is no indication/evidence making it probable that god exists. [/quote]

Then you believe that all of the universe just came from what then? Do you ever see anything “make itself?” Did you ever see a car, for example, come into being due to an explosion or due to nothing? Of course not! Then why would you believe that the universe could have arisen without being Created?[quote]

You base your belief on a church and a book telling you this. If a church and an old book told you that the universe was created by a flying spaghetti monster, would you believe it? It would be just as valid as christianity.

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No, sir – you are wrong. I base my belief upon a Bood written by the very mind of the living God. The ‘church’ a collection of believers who come together for worship and Bible study. We are not “dictated” by any higher authority, except God.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
muller__ wrote:
Steveo, many people including me doesn’t believe that the bible is true.

Why should we believe in the bible.

Fulfilled prophecy. Have you studied this aspect out?

It’s just an old book with a lot of stories. There are old books about trolls too, should we believe in trolls?

Who told you this? How do you know that this is true? What if you are wrong?

I don’t believe in any form of god either. There is no indication/evidence making it probable that god exists.

Then you believe that all of the universe just came from what then? Do you ever see anything “make itself?” Did you ever see a car, for example, come into being due to an explosion or due to nothing? Of course not! Then why would you believe that the universe could have arisen without being Created?

You base your belief on a church and a book telling you this. If a church and an old book told you that the universe was created by a flying spaghetti monster, would you believe it? It would be just as valid as christianity.

No, sir – you are wrong. I base my belief upon a Bood written by the very mind of the living God. The ‘church’ a collection of believers who come together for worship and Bible study. We are not “dictated” by any higher authority, except God.

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I can not tell you what “made” the universe, however i think the big bang theory is more plausible than other theories today. I have no clue to what came before big bang, and I accept that, even though it’s tempting to believe in god who has all the answers. There are things, I simple don’t know or ever will know.

You say you base your belief on the bible, which is written by god. How can you be sure that your god wrote this book? Because it says so in the book itself? That is absurd, which I will demonstrate.

This post was written by the very mind of the living god, and therefore you shall believe in it Steveo!

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN & DIRECTED BY THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE! [/b]
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How do you know? What objective reasoning do you base your beliefs on? The bible is not objective, by the way…

OBJECTIVE

  1. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic
  2. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.

It is impossible to base beleifs in the unknowable on objective reasoning. At best you can call it faith but you cannot call it reasoning. Every philosopher on the planet will tell you that.

Do these trolls even lift?

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Then why would you believe that the universe could have arisen without being Created?
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By your same logic: Who created the creator? Did it just arise without being created?

Shouldn’t you be in church today? God will get very angry and smite you if you do not obey his command. I thought you said you read the bible. Doesn’t it say something about a day of rest?

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.” Exodus 20:8-11

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Do these trolls even lift?[/quote]

I have my doubts. But then, I have stated the same about other posters like JeffR. Personally, I think anyone (including the excessive religious posters) who ONLY posts in the politics forum of this board probably doesn’t spend all that much time training.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Do these trolls even lift?

I have my doubts. But then, I have stated the same about other posters like JeffR. Personally, I think anyone (including the excessive religious posters) who ONLY posts in the politics forum of this board probably doesn’t spend all that much time training.[/quote]

I lift as regularly as perscribed by my CW program. I simply find it irresistible to answer posts on this subject, because I always think a little bit of logic and reason will make someone think again… I’m starting to realize it’s futile though.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Do these trolls even lift?[/quote]

Are you allowed in the gym with sandels on?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Personally, I think anyone (including the excessive religious posters) who ONLY posts in the politics forum of this board probably doesn’t spend all that much time training.
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Well even if you lifted 7 days a week for two hours each day, slept 8 hours every day and worked 40 hours a week you’d still have 58 hours in which you could post completely asinine statements. If each post took on average 15 minutes that is a whopping 232 posts per week. Consider that!

[quote]muller__ wrote:
I simply find it irresistible to answer posts on this subject, because I always think a little bit of logic and reason will make someone think again… I’m starting to realize it’s futile though.
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I think you mistook my post. I believe in God. I simply won’t waste my time trying to shove my beliefs down the throats of others who clearly don’t care to share the same views.