To All The Unbelievers

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[quote]vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I will not respond to you anymore, unless you apologize for your hateful statement equating me with the Crusades which caused bloodshed for my ancestors (and yes, others too).

I protest. That is entirely fucking unfair!

How do I get a free pass from your voluminous stupidity?

[/quote]

This is soo bizarre…

Christians are telling Steveo to shut up because he’s a bit ‘out there’ and doesn’t represent Christianity.

Atheists are telling Steveo to shut up because he has no understanding of what it means on a day-to-day basis to not have God or any religion have any baring whatsoever on how they conduct themelves.

No-one (that I’m aware of) has said they hate God or hate Steveo and yet that is what he has discerned from all these people that have taken the time out to try and explain their point of view, while all the time (until provoked) being respectful.

Like the Weasel before him, Steveo has not, throughout this or any of his previous threads accepted anyone else may ever have a point and just trudges.

I’m pretty sure this now pointless and defunct thread is the reason why dialup is now too slow for the internet.

I’m really starting to hope this thread dies a speedy death as it appears to be sucking everyone’s will to live.

Oh, and Steveo - Please stop it now. I know you don’t think it but trust me, with every post you make on this thread you dig yourself a deeper hole.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
These forums are fascinating places to study people. In this particular post there are times when certain posters are using egocentric speech, not for communication purposes with anyone but instead as a means of thinking out loud. Sometimes it changes to collective monologues.

You can spot this when the person who makes the statements will not reply to something that breaks down the complex infrastructure of their original ideology, thoughts and feelings. Gives fantastic insight into the persons sub-conscious, as well as his overt motivation or emotion.

I think the fact some people are not interested in the importance of others saying I agree makes it a whole host of issues that have little to do with intelligent debate.

By the way, i’m a clinical psychologist, currently studying behavioural stuff on the internet.

Do you believe in the God of the Bible, Mr. Psychologist?
[/quote]

That information is not relevant. The question I put to you, is why are you deliberately inviting all this persecution ? This is maybe not normal behaviour.

BTW I am Jewish.

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[quote]1-packlondoner wrote:
vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I will not respond to you anymore, unless you apologize for your hateful statement equating me with the Crusades which caused bloodshed for my ancestors (and yes, others too).

I protest. That is entirely fucking unfair!

How do I get a free pass from your voluminous stupidity?

This is soo bizarre…

Christians are telling Steveo to shut up because he’s a bit ‘out there’ and doesn’t represent Christianity.

Atheists are telling Steveo to shut up because he has no understanding of what it means on a day-to-day basis to not have God or any religion have any baring whatsoever on how they conduct themelves.

No-one (that I’m aware of) has said they hate God or hate Steveo and yet that is what he has discerned from all these people that have taken the time out to try and explain their point of view, while all the time (until provoked) being respectful.

Like the Weasel before him, Steveo has not, throughout this or any of his previous threads accepted anyone else may ever have a point and just trudges.

I’m pretty sure this now pointless and defunct thread is the reason why dialup is now too slow for the internet.

I’m really starting to hope this thread dies a speedy death as it appears to be sucking everyone’s will to live.

Oh, and Steveo - Please stop it now. I know you don’t think it but trust me, with every post you make on this thread you dig yourself a deeper hole.
[/quote]

Egocentric speech is used not for communication purposes with anyone but instead as a monologueto mirror the motor behavior of the person. So the patterns observed by posts on the forum represent patterns followed in daily life. However, because of the anonymity of the internet, these may be repressed or disguised in everyday interraction.

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[quote]jasonigor wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
These forums are fascinating places to study people. In this particular post there are times when certain posters are using egocentric speech, not for communication purposes with anyone but instead as a means of thinking out loud. Sometimes it changes to collective monologues.

You can spot this when the person who makes the statements will not reply to something that breaks down the complex infrastructure of their original ideology, thoughts and feelings. Gives fantastic insight into the persons sub-conscious, as well as his overt motivation or emotion.

I think the fact some people are not interested in the importance of others saying I agree makes it a whole host of issues that have little to do with intelligent debate.

By the way, i’m a clinical psychologist, currently studying behavioural stuff on the internet.

Do you believe in the God of the Bible, Mr. Psychologist?

That information is not relevant. The question I put to you, is why are you deliberately inviting all this persecution ? This is maybe not normal behaviour.

BTW I am Jewish. [/quote]

I am VERY interested in where this particular conversation will go.

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[quote]jasonigor wrote:
1-packlondoner wrote:
vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I will not respond to you anymore, unless you apologize for your hateful statement equating me with the Crusades which caused bloodshed for my ancestors (and yes, others too).

I protest. That is entirely fucking unfair!

How do I get a free pass from your voluminous stupidity?

This is soo bizarre…

Christians are telling Steveo to shut up because he’s a bit ‘out there’ and doesn’t represent Christianity.

Atheists are telling Steveo to shut up because he has no understanding of what it means on a day-to-day basis to not have God or any religion have any baring whatsoever on how they conduct themelves.

No-one (that I’m aware of) has said they hate God or hate Steveo and yet that is what he has discerned from all these people that have taken the time out to try and explain their point of view, while all the time (until provoked) being respectful.

Like the Weasel before him, Steveo has not, throughout this or any of his previous threads accepted anyone else may ever have a point and just trudges.

I’m pretty sure this now pointless and defunct thread is the reason why dialup is now too slow for the internet.

I’m really starting to hope this thread dies a speedy death as it appears to be sucking everyone’s will to live.

Oh, and Steveo - Please stop it now. I know you don’t think it but trust me, with every post you make on this thread you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Egocentric speech is used not for communication purposes with anyone but instead as a monologueto mirror the motor behavior of the person. So the patterns observed by posts on the forum represent patterns followed in daily life. However, because of the anonymity of the internet, these may be repressed or disguised in everyday interraction.

[/quote]

Interesting. Are you, in essence, just saying he’s a fruitcake with a modem?

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[quote]1-packlondoner wrote:

This is soo bizarre…

Christians are telling Steveo to shut up because he’s a bit ‘out there’ and doesn’t represent Christianity.
[/quote]

I don’t recall any born-again Christian telling Steveo to shut up. Anyone born of the Spirit of God will understand and appreciate what he is doing on these boards.

Steveo, here are some encouraging words for you from Charles Spurgeon:

“Oh, my brothers and sisters in Christ, if sinners will be damned, at least let them leap to hell over our bodies; and if they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees, imploring them to stay, and not madly to destroy themselves. If hell must be filled, at least let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go there un-warned and un-prayed for.”

“If we had to preach to thousands year after year, and never rescued but one soul, that one soul would be a full reward for all our labour, for a soul is of countless price.”

“If you really long to save men’s souls, you must tell them a great deal of disagreeable truth.”

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
1-packlondoner wrote:

This is soo bizarre…

Christians are telling Steveo to shut up because he’s a bit ‘out there’ and doesn’t represent Christianity.

I don’t recall any born-again Christian telling Steveo to shut up. Anyone born of the Spirit of God will understand and appreciate what he is doing on these boards.

Steveo, here are some encouraging words for you from Charles Spurgeon:

“Oh, my brothers and sisters in Christ, if sinners will be damned, at least let them leap to hell over our bodies; and if they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees, imploring them to stay, and not madly to destroy themselves. If hell must be filled, at least let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go there un-warned and un-prayed for.”

“If we had to preach to thousands year after year, and never rescued but one soul, that one soul would be a full reward for all our labour, for a soul is of countless price.”

“If you really long to save men’s souls, you must tell them a great deal of disagreeable truth.”
[/quote]

I was baptized at a very young age. I do not appreciate what Steveo is doing on this board. I hate to break this to you, but you don’t speak for everyone…and neither does he. As if this needs to be repeated again, his method is what is being brought into question.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I was baptized at a very young age. I do not appreciate what Steveo is doing on this board. I hate to break this to you, but you don’t speak for everyone…and neither does he. As if this needs to be repeated again, his method is what is being brought into question.[/quote]

So being baptised makes you a Christian?

Are you born again?

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I was baptized at a very young age. I do not appreciate what Steveo is doing on this board. I hate to break this to you, but you don’t speak for everyone…and neither does he. As if this needs to be repeated again, his method is what is being brought into question.

So being baptised makes you a Christian?

Are you born again?
[/quote]

Being baptized is considered a part of being “born again”. It is the ritual act of that process. You didn’t know this…or are you acting like only you happen to be a “true Christian” and anyone who disagrees with you is not?

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[quote]1-packlondoner wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
1-packlondoner wrote:
vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I will not respond to you anymore, unless you apologize for your hateful statement equating me with the Crusades which caused bloodshed for my ancestors (and yes, others too).

I protest. That is entirely fucking unfair!

How do I get a free pass from your voluminous stupidity?

This is soo bizarre…

Christians are telling Steveo to shut up because he’s a bit ‘out there’ and doesn’t represent Christianity.

Atheists are telling Steveo to shut up because he has no understanding of what it means on a day-to-day basis to not have God or any religion have any baring whatsoever on how they conduct themelves.

No-one (that I’m aware of) has said they hate God or hate Steveo and yet that is what he has discerned from all these people that have taken the time out to try and explain their point of view, while all the time (until provoked) being respectful.

Like the Weasel before him, Steveo has not, throughout this or any of his previous threads accepted anyone else may ever have a point and just trudges.

I’m pretty sure this now pointless and defunct thread is the reason why dialup is now too slow for the internet.

I’m really starting to hope this thread dies a speedy death as it appears to be sucking everyone’s will to live.

Oh, and Steveo - Please stop it now. I know you don’t think it but trust me, with every post you make on this thread you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Egocentric speech is used not for communication purposes with anyone but instead as a monologueto mirror the motor behavior of the person. So the patterns observed by posts on the forum represent patterns followed in daily life. However, because of the anonymity of the internet, these may be repressed or disguised in everyday interraction.

Interesting. Are you, in essence, just saying he’s a fruitcake with a modem?
[/quote]

If someone was trying to convince someone to agree with them or to be more precise to emphasize, would they adopt the procedure used here ?

Which do you think its more akin to, thinking out loud or making a reasoned argument ?

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I was baptized at a very young age. I do not appreciate what Steveo is doing on this board. I hate to break this to you, but you don’t speak for everyone…and neither does he. As if this needs to be repeated again, his method is what is being brought into question.

So being baptised makes you a Christian?

Are you born again?
[/quote]

Is this an attempt at humor ?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
These forums are fascinating places to study people. In this particular post there are times when certain posters are using egocentric speech, not for communication purposes with anyone but instead as a means of thinking out loud. Sometimes it changes to collective monologues.

You can spot this when the person who makes the statements will not reply to something that breaks down the complex infrastructure of their original ideology, thoughts and feelings. Gives fantastic insight into the persons sub-conscious, as well as his overt motivation or emotion.

I think the fact some people are not interested in the importance of others saying I agree makes it a whole host of issues that have little to do with intelligent debate.

By the way, i’m a clinical psychologist, currently studying behavioural stuff on the internet.

Do you believe in the God of the Bible, Mr. Psychologist?

That information is not relevant. The question I put to you, is why are you deliberately inviting all this persecution ? This is maybe not normal behaviour.

BTW I am Jewish.

I am VERY interested in where this particular conversation will go. [/quote]

Internet Forum Psychology 101

Insecure people can’t handle considering other angles to their mindset.

They usually will get defensive and counter-blame when confronted even innocently or indirectly.

They are so sensitive that they get hurt over even minor things but will retalliate in obtuse manners. Those that complain of direct cussing and criticism will often cloak similar feelings in vague parabolic or seemingly compromising rhetoric with very passive aggressive undertones. Their statements will appear to have an aggresive finality, although its sort of brushed over. Almost like it was edited from a first draft they deemed too direct.

These types of individual are no fun to be around because their hostility, withdrawal, or persecution complex turn people off. But then comes the sanctuary of the internet forum.

The martyr complex quite often displayed makes the individual feel (or think) they are being singled out for persecution.

Oddly enough, there is a positive reason for all of this, however convoluted this may appear to most people. The desire for martyrdom is often characterized by the belief that one’s persecution is the result of exceptional integrity. I think you can put the rest of the pieces together.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Being baptized is considered a part of being “born again”. It is the ritual act of that process. You didn’t know this…or are you acting like only you happen to be a “true Christian” and anyone who disagrees with you is not?[/quote]

Only the Lord knows if you are truly saved, but the Bible does tell us to judge those who call themselves a brother. The Bible also says to examine yourself to make sure you are in the faith, and also to make your calling and election sure. So here are some of the Biblical tests of a true believer.

Have you repented, meaning to completely die to yourself and turn away from all sin? This would include but is certainly not limited to fornication, lust, blasphemy, reviling and coarse language?

Have you separated yourself from the things of this world in order to present yourself as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God?

Do you feed on the word of God each day?

Is the Gospel of Jesus Christ precious to you? Do you value it above all else including your own life?

Do you love your Christian brothers and sisters?

Do you desire to fulfil the great commission of Jesus Christ, to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to each person?

This is what the Bible clearly tells us a believer will look like. There is no scripture to back up the notion that one can be a casual Christian living a lifestyle of sin.

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[quote]jasonigor wrote:
JPBear wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I was baptized at a very young age. I do not appreciate what Steveo is doing on this board. I hate to break this to you, but you don’t speak for everyone…and neither does he. As if this needs to be repeated again, his method is what is being brought into question.

So being baptised makes you a Christian?

Are you born again?

Is this an attempt at humor ?[/quote]

I don’t know what you are talking about. How exactly is that funny?

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
JPBear wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I was baptized at a very young age. I do not appreciate what Steveo is doing on this board. I hate to break this to you, but you don’t speak for everyone…and neither does he. As if this needs to be repeated again, his method is what is being brought into question.

So being baptised makes you a Christian?

Are you born again?

Is this an attempt at humor ?

I don’t know what you are talking about. How exactly is that funny?[/quote]

There are not certificates or diplomas for being a Christian. When the guy says he is Christian then you should take that at present accepted value and not question it.

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[quote]jasonigor wrote:
Insecure people can’t handle considering other angles to their mindset.
[/quote]

this accounts for 99.9 percent of the human race then…great!

by the way, I won’t consider any possible angle other than the mindset I’ve stated above…

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[quote]DPH wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
Insecure people can’t handle considering other angles to their mindset.

this accounts for 99.9 percent of the human race then…great!

by the way, I won’t consider any possible angle other than the mindset I’ve stated above…[/quote]

I meant opinion not mindset sorry. You are right what you say though.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
Only the Lord knows if you are truly saved, but the Bible does tell us to judge those who call themselves a brother. The Bible also says to examine yourself to make sure you are in the faith, and also to make your calling and election sure. So here are some of the Biblical tests of a true believer.

Have you repented, meaning to completely die to yourself and turn away from all sin? This would include but is certainly not limited to fornication, lust, blasphemy, reviling and coarse language?[/quote]

I am going to have to ask where you got these “rules” from.

[quote]Have you separated yourself from the things of this world in order to present yourself as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God?

Do you feed on the word of God each day?

Is the Gospel of Jesus Christ precious to you? Do you value it above all else including your own life?

Do you love your Christian brothers and sisters?

Do you desire to fulfil the great commission of Jesus Christ, to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to each person?

This is what the Bible clearly tells us a believer will look like. There is no scripture to back up the notion that one can be a casual Christian living a lifestyle of sin. [/quote]

There is a lot of scripture which does not suggest the above are required in order to be a Christian.

I am distressed by the notion of “true” Christians versus Christians. Where do you get these divisions from? Who teaches and preaches this type of thing? It had better not be some Internet nonsense.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:

Only the Lord knows if you are truly saved[/quote]

And that is where it should end. It is not your duty to go around judging every other person who tells you they are a Christian. You are not the judge of my soul. An entity with much more insight and power is in charge of that…not you, dear woman.

[quote]
but the Bible does tell us to judge those who call themselves a brother.[/quote]

If you are going to discuss scripture, then do so directly.

[quote]
The Bible also says to examine yourself to make sure you are in the faith, and also to make your calling and election sure. So here are some of the Biblical tests of a true believer.[/quote]

Biblical tests? My “test” is in the form of faith…enough to equal the size of a mustard seed. Where did this “test” come from?

[quote]
Have you repented, meaning to completely die to yourself and turn away from all sin? This would include but is certainly not limited to fornication, lust, blasphemy, reviling and coarse language?

Have you separated yourself from the things of this world in order to present yourself as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God?

Do you feed on the word of God each day?

Is the Gospel of Jesus Christ precious to you? Do you value it above all else including your own life?

Do you love your Christian brothers and sisters?

Do you desire to fulfil the great commission of Jesus Christ, to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to each person?

This is what the Bible clearly tells us a believer will look like. There is no scripture to back up the notion that one can be a casual Christian living a lifestyle of sin. [/quote]

A believer, again, is not for you to judge. You sound like the type who would judge someone unworthy because they don’t go to church as much as you do or if they aren’t constantly forcing their beliefs on every person they come across.

Let me ask you, do you go around at the grocery store and at the job asking, “what will you do about your sin!?” over and over until they are converted to your understanding of Christianity? If so, how does that go over at work or at the store? If not, why not?

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[quote]jasonigor wrote:

If someone was trying to convince someone to agree with them or to be more precise to emphasize, would they adopt the procedure used here ?

Which do you think its more akin to, thinking out loud or making a reasoned argument ?

[/quote]

lol…I’ll take that as a yes then.