To Add and AI or Not

Pharma / TRT
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Hi guys,

I am running a cycle of Test-E@ 400mg/ Week stacked with NPP@ 400mg/week.

I am planning to run this for 16-20 weeks.

The only negative side effects I have is a reduced appetite and slightly reduced libido.

Based on the numbers below, would you guys advise that I add an AI?

I was originally intending to bump everything up to 600mg however I have a lot of Primo and Proviron on hand - Would perhaps stacking 600mg of Primo be a more sensible approach

My 4 week blood work:

ALBUMIN 35 - 50 R = 40 g/Lu

SHBG 18.3 - 54.1 R = 8

LH 1.7 - 8.6 R = <0.3 IU/L

OESTRADIOL 41.4 - 159 R = 161 pmol/L

TESTOSTERONE 8.64 - 29 R = >52 nmol/L

FREE TESTOSTERONE - 0.2 - 0.62 R = 2.13 nmol/L

PROLACTIN 86 - 324 R = 189 mIU/L

DHEA SULPHATE 2.41 - 11.6 R = 8.9

*I am aware my SHBG is low, Iā€™ve always had this and my numbers on TRT are pretty similar.

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You are around 1% out if the range. Ofc u dont need to take AI.

Reduced libido might be because you run test as much as deca. I always tought test should be 1,5-2,0x of deca and tren.

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This is bro science, many who do this come back complaining about Deca Dick.

The only reasons you would need test with Deca are:

  1. to keep some DHT in your system
  2. to provide sufficient estrogen via (T>E conversion) to overcome the lack of e2 produced by Nandrolone.

The estrogen thing is why so many people stack DBol and Deca.

The issue with Nandrolone is that it converts to estrogen 10-25% the rate of Test, which can crash estrogen (bad for your dick, among other things). But it also upregulates estrogenic response, meaning youā€™re at a greater risk of developing high E symptoms (also bad for your dick).

So the sweet spot is to find a low dose of test that is sufficient to provide estrogen, but not too muchā€¦ one could get away with 100-150mg/wk comfortably here.

Iā€™ve seen others solo Deca at 2g/wk and be just fine, though DHT is probably hurting a bit. This dose would still convert to estrogen equivalent to that of 200-500mg/wk Test. It is very individual.

@theslice your prolactin looks fine, but supplementing with B6/P5P could help with any libido issues. You estrogen looks fine, but you may feel an increase in libido if it were lowered a tad (everyone is different here). You could also try lowering test to say 100-200mg and backfilling with 200-300mg Primo, or any other combination you like.

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Thanks for the great advice.

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How is your test so low ? I had 54 nmol with 100mg/wk test e

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Greater than >54 nmol, not 54nmol

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Noā€¦