[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote] AMIRIGHT wrote:
Because tipping a teacher gives them a bias… basically thats the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life… even if you aren’t serious. A teacher is supposed to carry themselves with dignity and class… your goal is to shape the future… you are the people that control what happens generation after generation.
A teacher expecting a tip is a person that doesn’t deserve to be a teacher… something that would so obviously create a bias has no place in the profession. If you can’t see that then I fear for the children in your classes.
Also if some of you people can’t grasp the difference between a certain profession/service… then I stand by what I said earlier… and no longer understand the other “side” [/quote]
Here we have Amiright suggesting that tipping in the education profession would give them a bias… which would be inappropriate, because they are suppose to have ‘dignity and class’… and because our goal is to ‘shape the future’.
[quote] Big Banana wrote:
If teachers weren’t so overpaid and overpensioned for their part time babysitting jobs and showed real interest in the students perhaps parents would tip them.
Teaching is a fine example of people being too comfortable in their jobs and not feeling like they have to hustle. If they worked for tips perhaps the outcome would be better [/quote]
Here we have Big Banana suggesting that we are overpaid, and that our job is not that important at all (babysitting, I think he refers to it as). He suggests if we worked for tips our jobs would be done better.
Its interesting to note you share similar views on tipping for waiters, but different views on tipping for teachers. I’m sure you’re both intelligent people; doubtless, we can discuss the broader context of tipping in service industries without denigrating either I or my current profession.
Amiright, I don’t ‘shape the future’. Neither I nor parents want me to have that that responsibility. I teach math. I do this for money. If waiters can prioritize their work-schedules based on maximizing their paycheck (servicing larger tables, wealthier clients, working largely for tips) why can’t I? The ‘dignity and class’ argument is poor, because there are many waiters that conduct themselves with dignity and class, and they manage to work for tips. I agree that if parents tip teachers, teachers will be biased to help those students. I don’t see whats morally wrong with this, though. After all, those that don’t tip are ‘small dicked, no tipping scumbags’.
Banana… I get the feeling you don’t like education, due to your apparent dislike of teachers and engineer pay. Cool. I appreciate your consistency.[/quote]
I believe you brought up the subject of teachers working for tips so please do not try to deflect. I like education just fine, that is why I spent so many hours in class rooms and labs and night school to get my degrees.
I think US public education is a disgrace and an sick and tired of teachers complaining about pay.
I also have worked with many very smart skilled people that haven’t had the luxury of a university education. They are far brighter and more motivated than many college graduates.
I think it is a shame so many in the US are educated past their intellectual capacity and they look down on others. It shows a lack of class and wisdom.[/quote]
No deflection intended. I agree that there is much to be improved in America’s public education system, and glad to hear you have more beef with the system than with the concept.
EDIT: I see where you’re coming from with the ‘deflection’. When I mentioned your consistency, I’m referring to your suggestion that if teachers worked for tips they might do their job better. This seems to be one of your defenses of tipping for waiters as well, which is consistent, as compared with other posters who feel that tipping is acceptable in the waitering profession but inappropriate elsewhere, for reasons that usually boil down to ‘that’s just not the way its done’.
