Times Square Bomb Found by Muslim Immigrant

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
so Muslims are just a figment of Dustin’s imagination? okay . . . kewl, so you’re saying no more Dustin, no more Muslims? that’s just sick and twisted, dude - leave Dustin alone![/quote]

No, Muslims are not imaginary but your knowledge of them is.

Imaginary knowledge is not all bad. Physics and economics, for example, rely on the imagination to help derive theory; however, I would not trust my imagination when it comes to trying to understand real people who actually exist.

Besides, when we talk about Muslims we are not really talking about any one or anything concrete. It is just an identity. There is nothing real in the use of this word. It only conjures up imagery in our imagination. The same is true of Christianity.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Besides, when we talk about Muslims we are not really talking about any one or anything concrete. It is just an identity. There is nothing real in the use of this word. It only conjures up imagery in our imagination. The same is true of Christianity.[/quote]

It’s closer to concrete reality than a successful anarcho-capitalist society. And lord know it doesn’t stop you from preaching the supposedly undeniablee superiority of such a society…

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s closer to concrete reality than a successful anarcho-capitalist society. And lord know it doesn’t stop you from preaching the supposedly undeniablee superiority of such a society…[/quote]

Anarchy is all around you. So it is both “successful” and a part of “concrete reality”.

Anarchy happens even when people try to thwart it.

There is no control.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s closer to concrete reality than a successful anarcho-capitalist society. And lord know it doesn’t stop you from preaching the supposedly undeniablee superiority of such a society…[/quote]

Anarchy is all around you. So it is both “successful” and a part of “concrete reality”.

Anarchy happens even when people try to thwart it.

There is no control.[/quote]

Eh, the Matrix-like philosophical tone doesn’t make it sound any more credible.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s closer to concrete reality than a successful anarcho-capitalist society. And lord know it doesn’t stop you from preaching the supposedly undeniablee superiority of such a society…[/quote]

Anarchy is all around you. So it is both “successful” and a part of “concrete reality”.

Anarchy happens even when people try to thwart it.

There is no control.[/quote]

Eh, the Matrix-like philosophical tone doesn’t make it sound any more credible. [/quote]

But it’s true. Anarchy is best demonstrated by relationships.

Anytime you are free in any one of your relationships you are effectively acting in a state of anarchy. For example, you do not need government to organize your family for you. That is essentially one of the most important relationships we can have and unfortunately those dummy conservatives are only aiming to screw up the family unit by trying to legislate “family values”.

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Other relationships where we should have anarchy but do not:

Doctor-patient
Employer-employee
Producer-consumer
buyer-seller

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Ignoring a problem is not protection againsts its effects . . .[/quote]

And yet that’s exactly what you seem to be doing.

I’m not a fan of Islam either, just check my posting history. But the way you people post you want Christianity to be given a free pass. If the last 1400 years are indeed a continuum, then you should be held accountable for all the atrocities committed by Christians eager to spread Gods ‘love’, no?

You see, unlike in your twisted reality, the sins of the father DON’T automatically become something his offspring must ‘atone’ for.

Instead of calling for Arabs to be carpet bombed out of existence (which is something I’m not accusing you of, but I have seen it from your fellow Lambs of Jebus), you should be calling for education to be provided. The biggest crime I see at the moment with the Iraq War is that the US government thinks it’s a smart idea to hand the country over to effectively the same generation as Saddam. You should have set up a secular educational system, run the country for 10 or so years THEN handed the reins over to an Iraqi national who has had the benefits of such a system. Before you cry about the cost of such an initiative, maybe you should think about how maybe if you aren’t prepared to see something through you shouldn’t do it.

But no, the faith based administration didn’t think that far ahead. Or learn from past mistakes. And that’s the problem. Faith. You have it. Muslims have it.

And they contradict each other so violently.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

  1. I do indeed have little faith in Muricans not swallowing propaganda fed to them. Muricans have a long history of believing whatever the government tells them.
    [/quote]

This is truly hilarious coming from you, the guy “scared” of a Bible college down the road from your place. Truly, unbelievably, fucking hilarious.[/quote]

I don’t follow.

You disagree with what I said or just wanted a reason to try and make a joke?[/quote]

Both.

You on one day: “I don’t swallow propaganda.”

You on another day: “I am scared of Bible colleges taking away my liberty.”

Indeed a joke. And it’s on you.[/quote]

Well, first, I seriously don’t recall saying “I’m scared of Bible colleges taking freedoms away.” If that is the exact way I phrased it, then flame away as I must have been on crack.

My point was that I live in an area where religious beliefs dictate social policies. This is all well and good until these policies start infringing on other individuals rights. Certainly, you can understand why that might rub people the wrong way.

The Bible college reference is to indicate the large concentration of Bible thumpers living in the area.

So, back to this supposed joke of yours, no, I don’t swallow propaganda. I think my post history backs this statement up quite well.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

When people say America brought 9/11 on themselves they are only half wrong. People like you are the other half to that equation. By confusing reality with fairy tales about ‘chosen people’ you made such conflict viable.[/quote]

Right . . . . sure . . . and all those centuries of muslim violence have been just a weird aberration . . .[/quote]

It’s a culmination of Christian and Islamic stupidity. Stop trying to paint yourselves as the martyrs here, the only reason you don’t execute for apostasy is because Christianity is politically hobbled.[/quote]

If it wasn’t you would be one of the first to go.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Ignoring a problem is not protection againsts its effects . . .[/quote]

And yet that’s exactly what you seem to be doing.

I’m not a fan of Islam either, just check my posting history. But the way you people post you want Christianity to be given a free pass. If the last 1400 years are indeed a continuum, then you should be held accountable for all the atrocities committed by Christians eager to spread Gods ‘love’, no?

You see, unlike in your twisted reality, the sins of the father DON’T automatically become something his offspring must ‘atone’ for.

Instead of calling for Arabs to be carpet bombed out of existence (which is something I’m not accusing you of, but I have seen it from your fellow Lambs of Jebus), you should be calling for education to be provided. The biggest crime I see at the moment with the Iraq War is that the US government thinks it’s a smart idea to hand the country over to effectively the same generation as Saddam. You should have set up a secular educational system, run the country for 10 or so years THEN handed the reins over to an Iraqi national who has had the benefits of such a system. Before you cry about the cost of such an initiative, maybe you should think about how maybe if you aren’t prepared to see something through you shouldn’t do it.

But no, the faith based administration didn’t think that far ahead. Or learn from past mistakes. And that’s the problem. Faith. You have it. Muslims have it.

And they contradict each other so violently.[/quote]

And where have I ever said anything about Christians getting a free pass? anywhere? nope - all in your head (or imagination as Mak has pointed out). And We have never had the discussion about current actions in Iraq or what I believe about how the threat of Islam should be countered, nor how I treat and believe Muslims should be treated. So please stop putting words into my mouth.

Nor am I accusing the modern Muslims for the sins of their ancestors.

All I have done is point out the clear and undeniable truth about the threat that Islam poses to Western Civilization and no one has been able to actual discuss this with me or counter the points i have made from a historical and philosophical basis.

I actually think your ideas have merits and think you are on the right track with the need for some serious educational development prior to governmental establishment.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
you should be calling for education to be provided. [/quote]

A worldview more compatible with the rest of the world created through schooling and mass information. …This is one of reasons why Western Muslims and Christians act much differently than their Eastern brothers.

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[quote]kodiak82 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

When people say America brought 9/11 on themselves they are only half wrong. People like you are the other half to that equation. By confusing reality with fairy tales about ‘chosen people’ you made such conflict viable.[/quote]

Right . . . . sure . . . and all those centuries of muslim violence have been just a weird aberration . . .[/quote]

It’s a culmination of Christian and Islamic stupidity. Stop trying to paint yourselves as the martyrs here, the only reason you don’t execute for apostasy is because Christianity is politically hobbled.[/quote]

If it wasn’t you would be one of the first to go. [/quote]

hahaha! Win. But I think that just proves Mak’s point.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
SMURFS? LMAO - are you saying muslims are only a figment of our imagination? [/quote]

But since you cannot know every single Muslim that ever existed or exits now and since you admittedly are not Muslim you can only have any knowledge of Islam in your imagination.

This is not necessarily a bad thing – just realty.[/quote]

So since I cannot know every black person or every hispanic person that ever existed and I am not either of those ethnicities my knowledge of them is only in my imagination?

Using that logic basically everything in the world would be imaginary. Thats a terrible arguing point.

.greg.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

What could be more important than insuring that the American public continues to believe that all Muslims are bad???

[/quote]

Indeed[/quote]

Yeah, indeed.

Indeed your simple-minded, bigoted, internet-educated view of Americans is once again blatently obvious.[/quote]

This
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But unlike the “simple-minded, bigoted, internet-educated view of Muslims” a lot of Americans seem to have, my delussions do not kill people.

Which is really all you can ask for.

[/quote]

At least you finally admit you are warped.

Thank you.[/quote]

No, I dont.

But I accept that my version of reality is necessarily subjective which is why I do not enforce what it dictates at gunpoint.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

But unlike the “simple-minded, bigoted, internet-educated view of Muslims” a lot of Americans seem to have, my delussions do not kill people.

Which is really all you can ask for.

[/quote]

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Christians,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Christian.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the Conservatives,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Conservative.

THEN THEY CAME for the Capitalists
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Capitalist.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Ignoring a problem is not protection againsts its effects . . .
[/quote]

No, but the most effective army in the world and enough nuclear weapons to blow the world up three times over should make sure that you are safe from any attempts to make you bow to Allah.

If it isnt, this is not a problem that can be solved with military means.

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[quote]orion wrote:

No, but the most effective army in the world and enough nuclear weapons to blow the world up three times over should make sure that you are safe from any attempts to make you bow to Allah.

If it isnt, this is not a problem that can be solved with military means.

[/quote]

Why are you advocating nuking muslims? You apologists sure do have some warped ideas about how to deal with threats and issues. Is violence just your knee-jerk reaction to everything?