Times Square Bomb Found by Muslim Immigrant

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Stop trying to paint yourselves as the martyrs here, the only reason you don’t execute for apostasy is because Christianity is politically hobbled.[/quote]

Err, we’re hobbled by our own choosing. Or, were you under the impression that Christian fear of the massive (hardy-har) atheist army caused us to cool our jets? You don’t live under fear of execution because WE decided it should be so. WE came to this decision. Period. To argue anything else is nonsense.[/quote]

Atheist Army? No, secular reasoning.[/quote]

Can’t be secular reasoning. How does “secular reasoning” stave off us fundamentalists? Especially when we’ve outnumbered you atheists for a good long time? Most certainly at the cessastion of such practices, at least. It is Christian reasoning that retired the burning of witches and apostates. You honestly think your minority just “reasoned” it away FOR us? If we were half as fanatical as you implied, we’d be doing it still today. No paltry atheist army would have a chance at stopping us. Your political “hobbles” would be cast down effortlessly. And then, we’d hobble you. Unfortunately, for you guys, we just won’t do it. Wouldn’t it be cool if you guys actually had to live in your Dawkins inspired Christian-Fanatic fantasyland? You guys could make all those cool subversive pamphlets. Meet in basements with passwords. Start some underground atheist radio broadcasts. It’d be totally sweet. The pretend stuff has to be getting boring.[/quote]

Interesting fantasy world you’ve invented. I won’t follow you down whatever tangent it is you’re on though.

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Sloth, you have to type very slowly so he can keep up . . .

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[quote]GCF wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]GCF wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]thelifter wrote:

Is what I said wrong? Did I say that there were no benefits to America? I will say we have helped out a lot of people around the world, including the Middle East. We pay out a lot of money in aid every year more than every country combined. We would like to hear Thank You now and again. We have gotten two things from the Middle East. Oil and Terrorism. We want our soldiers home just as you want them out of there. If the Moderate Muslims would start helping us weed out the radical Fundamentalists then we would go back to minding our own business. All the Moderates do is pay lip service. We can not control them. To me that means they are on their side. You can do the math.[/quote]

We got three things out of the Middle East: Oil Terrorism and dates… yum.

I just don’t agree with you ‘minding our own business’ stance. Its absurd to claim that US intervention has nothing to do with recent terror attacks. That’s not to say the attacks can be justified - they can’t. But claiming to be an innocent bystanding minding their own business is wrong and certainly won’t help us get our troops out of there any quicker. You can do the math.
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Dates, you talking about going out with a ME girl or the pitted ones? JK. Dates are very good.

I do see your point. The US has thrown our money all over the world, and we expect a return, and would like to keep our interests protected. It just seems that the playing field keeps changing. The US builds a chemical plant, and then the chinese copy it 10 times and not pay a royalty. We help the ME develop their oil fields, and they sell the oil to someone else. The US develops Venezuela’s Oil Fields with a contract price then they Nationalize it all and kick everyone out. We want stability, yes this might mean for our own benefit, but can you deny that the U.S. is the most wealthy and free country in the world. You have the right to go out and protest and not worry about the secret police showing up in the middle of the night killing you and your family. Where else can this happen? You have the right to set up your own business and not worry about the government coming in and taking over your buisness. The last sentence might be debatable in this bailout nation, socialistic government leanings, but historically it is true.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
If the Moderate Muslims would start helping us weed out the radical Fundamentalists then we would go back to minding our own business. All the Moderates do is pay lip service. We can not control them. To me that means they are on their side. You can do the math.[/quote]

You and Irish Steel are on a roll (See Fail).

How do you suppose moderate Muslims are to “weed” out the radical Fundies? Tell them, in a stern manner, to stop being radical? Make fun of their moms? Tell them they are a bunch poo poo heads and are not nice?

I suppose next time Fred Phelps and his church of awesome are in the news for stating something totally obvious, like God hates America, that I should ask you to “weed” out the radical Fundies and to control them.

I also hold you moderate Christians accountable for all the Tim McVeigh types as well.

Sound fair?

And not just lip service, I want action.[/quote]

Fred Phelps and his church do not take up arms and fly a plane into a civilian building. I decry what his church is doing, but it is his first amendment right to do what he is doing.

I will never back up what Timothy McVeigh did, but since you bring him up a a moderate Christian I will have to dispell your lies. Tim McVeigh Never blew up the building in the name of Jesus or God. It was a political statmenet against the government treatment of vetreans. Your friends in the name of Allah blow crap up all over the world. Tim McVeigh attacked a government building, while your friends attack civilians in marketplaces, and businesses. Sometimes they attack an American embassy, but the majority of them are civilian targets.

You bring up two instances which compromise less than 1% of the Christian population, while the Fundies make up more that 35% of the muslim faith. There are are probably 5 Muslim Mosques or more to every Fred Phelps church in the United States. I think the number 5 might be a low number, so you might want to rethink your thoughts before spreading your lies.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
You focus on the whatever makes you happy - enjoy the ignorance.

Fear-mongering? Hardly - name one thing I have gotten wrong - as before, bring on your proof. All I have seen you do is avoid the history, blame America and call me names . . . if I am so wrong and merely fear-mongering, where’s your evidence?[/quote]

Yes, you are a fear monger. Keep over stating the Islamic threat while ignoring what the U.S government does under your own nose.

I haven’t avoided history. I haven’t disputed what you have stated about the history of Islam. I have, however, as have several other posters, pointed out your cherry picking of certain events while ignoring the governments actions and how these actions just might motivate Muslims to commit mass murder.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Chushin wrote:

Indeed your simple-minded, bigoted, internet-educated view of Americans is once again blatently obvious.[/quote]

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Bigoted?

If you want to see someone who is borderline bigoted (I’m being nice by saying borderline). Look no further than T-Nations own Irish Steel.[/quote]

When pressed about his implications that all Muslims are this or that, he doesn’t deny it. He obviously has an agenda.

That’s possible, but, again, there plenty of Muslims that don’t follow the Qur’an to the letter. Why the need to keep repeating the same line about Islam?

I suppose if Orion was a bigot, you would have point. Not sure why you consider him to be one.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
You focus on the whatever makes you happy - enjoy the ignorance.

Fear-mongering? Hardly - name one thing I have gotten wrong - as before, bring on your proof. All I have seen you do is avoid the history, blame America and call me names . . . if I am so wrong and merely fear-mongering, where’s your evidence?[/quote]

Yes, you are a fear monger. Keep over stating the Islamic threat while ignoring what the U.S government does under your own nose.

I haven’t avoided history. I haven’t disputed what you have stated about the history of Islam. I have, however, as have several other posters, pointed out your cherry picking of certain events while ignoring the governments actions and how these actions just might motivate Muslims to commit mass murder. [/quote]

I am overstating the Islamic threat? Where’s your proof? I have backed up every statement with fact - and you just keep posting your opinions.

Since you haven’t disputed the history of Islam, I will take it that you agree I have stated it correctly and since Islam has advocated and PRACTICED mass murder since its inception (indeed it is a foundational precept in the religion), a muslim does not need any further justification to commit mass murder in the name of Allah than his own faith in Islam.

I am not cherry picking anything - I’ve admitted we’ve made mistakes, but I have repeatedly proven that PRIOR to any mistakes we ever made, Muslims were already committing muder and waging war against us - thus, they need no provocation, and thus, our actions are truly irrelevant to the issue, because they would still wage war against us with or without any justification from us, AS THEY HAVE DONE FOR THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY!

And everyone admits that even now 35% of the islamic population of 1 billion poeple is already ready and willing to wage Jihad against the west based on their belief in the foundational truths of Islam - so what threat have I overstated?

You see justification for their jihad based on our actions (hoping different actions would negate the threat)- While I see jihad still occurring regardless of any action based on their history from ancient to modern as well as their foundational beliefs

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

What could be more important than insuring that the American public continues to believe that all Muslims are bad???

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Indeed[/quote]

Yeah, indeed.

Indeed your simple-minded, bigoted, internet-educated view of Americans is once again blatently obvious.[/quote]

Chushin, do not think there is an incentive for the government to make the public believe that all Muslims are bad?[/quote]

You’ll have to explain further what you mean. But my quick answer is that that is a gross oversimplification.

Maybe there is…

But there is also likely one to KEEP the public from believing that.

And by “government,” whom are you talking about? The career civil servants? The Obama admin? Cheney? The Senate? Everyone influenced by lobbyists?

And do you (like a certain Austrian) really have such little faith in the people of the US that you believe they would swallow such anyway???[/quote]

  1. Killing Arabs and maintaining a military presence in the ME is “easier” when you have a population that believes all Muslims are crazy and want to kill Americans. The government has done this a handful of times previously with other conflicts.

  2. By government, I mean those who stand to benefit from invading a country(ies) that posed no threat to them. Business interests, lobbyists, politicians, etc.

  3. I do indeed have little faith in Muricans not swallowing propaganda fed to them. Muricans have a long history of believing whatever the government tells them.

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Dustin, I have neither affirmed or denied your implications about my beliefs about all muslims because I have been trying to keep you on track. I even agreed that 65% of the muslim population is not considered to have a fundamental view of Islam - so how am I a bigot?

So “plenty of muslims don’t follow the Qur’an to the letter” - enough to stop the rest from continuing to wage jihad? Didn’t think so . . . And you just admited that following the Qur’an to the letter would lead one to wage Jihad against the West, add that to the fact that you have agreed with the true history of Islam and now you are sitting on my side of the fence, voila!! welcome to the right side.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I am overstating the Islamic threat? Where’s your proof? I have backed up every statement with fact - and you just keep posting your opinions. [/quote]

Your own words…

Your own government steals more money from you, wire taps our phones, sends people around the world to kill for business interests, and strips freedoms from you in the name of safety, yet you are scared of a bunch of cave dwelling, goat herders?

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Dustin, I have neither affirmed or denied your implications about my beliefs about all muslims because I have been trying to keep you on track. I even agreed that 65% of the muslim population is not considered to have a fundamental view of Islam - so how am I a bigot?
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Your obvious agenda toward Muslims?

[quote]
So “plenty of muslims don’t follow the Qur’an to the letter” - enough to stop the rest from continuing to wage jihad? Didn’t think so . . . And you just admited that following the Qur’an to the letter would lead one to wage Jihad against the West, add that to the fact that you have agreed with the true history of Islam and now you are sitting on my side of the fence, voila!! welcome to the right side.[/quote]

I would think that even you can understand the difference between the type of anger that motivates one to fly a plane into a skyscraper to commit mass murder and the mindset or feelings one might have after reading a fairy tale book written over thousand years ago.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Dustin, I have neither affirmed or denied your implications about my beliefs about all muslims because I have been trying to keep you on track. I even agreed that 65% of the muslim population is not considered to have a fundamental view of Islam - so how am I a bigot?
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Your obvious agenda toward Muslims?

So you are saying the Qur’an is a fairy tale book? Are you muslim, or are you just playing the Devils advocate? I really do not follow your arguments.

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-should be very funny

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Dustin, my own words are proof of the actual threat - there’s no overstatement when its is accurate and factual. Never said I was afraid of goat-herders (and you should really stop being so condescending in your opinions of Muslims) - just aware of the threat posed by a belief system held by 1/6th of the globe.

I have no agenda against Muslims, I have an awareness of the threat of Islam.

When someone reads that book and then chooses to fly a plane into a building because of that book - that book and the religion base dupon become a very real threat - given the history of those who believe in that book - it constitutes a very real threat against my nation, my culture and my community.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
We were alright minding our own business until 9/11.[/quote]

You’re knowledge of American history only goes back to the 4th grade?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
We were alright minding our own business until 9/11.[/quote]

You’re knowledge of American history only goes back to the 4th grade?[/quote]

If you stopped at the first sentence then your reading skills stopped in the 4th grade. Read the rest of my posts.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

So you are saying the Qur’an is a fairy tale book? Are you muslim, or are you just playing the Devils advocate? I really do not follow your arguments.[/quote]

Fairy tale book = figure of speech. I call the Bible the same thing.

It’s just a term I used for it. And no, I’m not Muslim.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

When someone reads that book and then chooses to fly a plane into a building because of that book [/quote]

That is why I asked you in my previous post if you can understand what would motivate a Muslim to commit mass murder. It isn’t from a goddamn book.

I have nothing else to say to you on this matter.