Time for Palin to Bow Out?

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
pushharder wrote:
therover wrote:

Point is, the chick is not qualified…

Why?

Quit just saying she’s not qualified over and over as if the sheer impetus of your passion alone is enough to convince everyone.

There is another thread on this. Her answers show funadmental lack of comprehension on any crucial issue facing this nation. Have you been listening to her speak? Beyond that, she’s no fiscally conservative reformer. Her record in Wasilla is atrocious. Her record as governor is not much better.

In Wasilla, she ran up a $20 million debt. Brokered an atrocious sports complex deal that cost the city millions and led to protracted litigation and costs additional millions because she failed to determine whether the city had title to the land. And it didn’t.

As governor, the pipeline deal she brokered is also in very real danger of failing because she failed to include an important constiutency in the negotiations (the Native Americans) who have very good grounds to defeat the deal. She campaigned for and received millions in pork. She championed for the Bridge to Nowhere often and loudly until it became clear it would be political suicide.

There is just SO much more that is wrong with this women. She simply has no redeeming qualities and would be the worst president I could imagine. [/quote]

It’s funny, because I’ve brought up the same points over and over, and NOONE will go near them, especially the Bridge to Nowhere.

Dhickey is full of shit- he’ll never counter these. Neither will any other conservative, because there is no answer. She was a crappy Mayor, she creates a lot of enemies, she blatantly lies about her policy in the past, and all in all she isn’t fit to poor piss out of a boot with instructions written on the heel.

Someone said something about her bowing out the other day… I hope she doesn’t, because she’s an easy fucking mark. I’m still stunned that a man as intelligent as McCain made a gaffe like this by picking her.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
pushharder wrote:
therover wrote:

Point is, the chick is not qualified…

Why?

Quit just saying she’s not qualified over and over as if the sheer impetus of your passion alone is enough to convince everyone.

There is another thread on this. Her answers show funadmental lack of comprehension on any crucial issue facing this nation. Have you been listening to her speak? Beyond that, she’s no fiscally conservative reformer. Her record in Wasilla is atrocious. Her record as governor is not much better.

In Wasilla, she ran up a $20 million debt. Brokered an atrocious sports complex deal that cost the city millions and led to protracted litigation and costs additional millions because she failed to determine whether the city had title to the land. And it didn’t.

As governor, the pipeline deal she brokered is also in very real danger of failing because she failed to include an important constiutency in the negotiations (the Native Americans) who have very good grounds to defeat the deal. She campaigned for and received millions in pork. She championed for the Bridge to Nowhere often and loudly until it became clear it would be political suicide.

There is just SO much more that is wrong with this women. She simply has no redeeming qualities and would be the worst president I could imagine.

It’s funny, because I’ve brought up the same points over and over, and NOONE will go near them, especially the Bridge to Nowhere.

Dhickey is full of shit- he’ll never counter these. Neither will any other conservative, because there is no answer. She was a crappy Mayor, she creates a lot of enemies, she blatantly lies about her policy in the past, and all in all she isn’t fit to poor piss out of a boot with instructions written on the heel.

Someone said something about her bowing out the other day… I hope she doesn’t, because she’s an easy fucking mark. I’m still stunned that a man as intelligent as McCain made a gaffe like this by picking her.[/quote]

Possibility 1: she wasn’t vetted the way she should’ve been. Distinct possibility 2: McCain figured people would get onboard based on a cursory view of her record and loud and persistent screaming that she’s a conservative even though she hasn’t been in practice. And that seems to be what’s happening. Her social policy are also favored by the conservative base. The question is whether the choice has turned off more swing voters and moderates than the conservatives it’s secured. I’m really not sure.

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Neal Kinnock would be a better candidate than JB. At least he’s original.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Floortom wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Floortom wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Tom, let’s see if we can improve your post to one that actually smacks of honesty:

Floortom wrote:
Obama is a total imbecile who is spectacularly ignorant of national and international issues. Only the most ardent partisan hacks havent come around to that yet. You’re starting to see a lot of anger/disappointment from reasonable moderates at the total recklessness and cynicism that the Democratic Party displayed in selecting him as its presidential candidate.

LOL@ this total partisan hack. God it must kill him when his “team” is losing.

I hope you at least have a mirror close to you when you are saying shit about being a partisan hack. If it weren’t for your hackery, you would have nothing to say. Not that your talking points are worth reading in the first place.

LOL@ this partisan hack totally incapable of fathoming independent thought…poor guy.

Bush Sr, Perot, Dole, Bush Jr., Kerry, Obama…does that sound like the votes of a partisan hack?

Sounds like the votes of someone who has no clue what he believes in or where he stands and who just bases his vote on a dart board decision.[/quote]

Yep that’s it. Now be a good little GOP robot and vote McCain/Palin–they’re REAL conservatives. Oakeshoot would be proud.

The American conservative movement is so dumbed down that they think lowering tax rates and paying lip service to religious superstitions is what defines conservatisms. LOL!

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Floortom wrote:
Yep that’s it. Now be a good little GOP robot and vote McCain/Palin–they’re REAL conservatives. Oakeshoot would be proud.

The American conservative movement is so dumbed down that they think lowering tax rates and paying lip service to religious superstitions is what defines conservatisms. LOL!

FTR: there is a very good chance I will vote the Constitution Party candidate.

Palin’s political attractiveness may not be enough to sway me to vote for a guy who took a dump on the First and Second Amendment.[/quote]

Chuck Baldwin-- good man.

As far as I’m concerned McCain f*cked himself outta my vote with tonights ‘yea’. Even his 1st Amendment hating brother, Feingold, voted against this P.O.S. legislation.

This was his chance to stand on his own words (re: pork in legislation).

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[quote]Floortom wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Floortom wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Tom, let’s see if we can improve your post to one that actually smacks of honesty:

Floortom wrote:
Obama is a total imbecile who is spectacularly ignorant of national and international issues. Only the most ardent partisan hacks havent come around to that yet. You’re starting to see a lot of anger/disappointment from reasonable moderates at the total recklessness and cynicism that the Democratic Party displayed in selecting him as its presidential candidate.

LOL@ this total partisan hack. God it must kill him when his “team” is losing.

I hope you at least have a mirror close to you when you are saying shit about being a partisan hack. If it weren’t for your hackery, you would have nothing to say. Not that your talking points are worth reading in the first place.

LOL@ this partisan hack totally incapable of fathoming independent thought…poor guy.

Bush Sr, Perot, Dole, Bush Jr., Kerry, Obama…does that sound like the votes of a partisan hack?

[/quote]

I’m sorry. I was wrong.

Your voting history is something you should have printed up and put on a t-shirt.

I feel sorry for you. It must suck to be so directionless that you have to tell yourself you are being independent. Dude - you are no party hack but you have a worse problem than that. You are gutless.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Possibility 1: she wasn’t vetted the way she should’ve been. Distinct possibility 2: McCain figured people would get onboard based on a cursory view of her record and loud and persistent screaming that she’s a conservative even though she hasn’t been in practice. And that seems to be what’s happening. Her social policy are also favored by the conservative base. The question is whether the choice has turned off more swing voters and moderates than the conservatives it’s secured. I’m really not sure.[/quote]

Palin facing voters who doubt her readiness By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
48 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin enters her debate Thursday night with Democratic rival Joe Biden as many voters harbor serious doubts about her readiness for the nation’s highest office.

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An AP-Gfk poll released Wednesday found that just 25 percent of likely voters believe Palin has the right experience to be president. That’s down from 41 percent just after the GOP convention, when the Alaska governor made her well-received debut on the national stage.

Thursday night’s debate in St. Louis gives Palin a chance to overcome the doubts in a 90-minute showcase, her first lengthy give-and-take session since joining the GOP ticket with presidential candidate John McCain.

McCain on Thursday dismissed suggestions that he was upset with campaign staff for holding back Palin and not letting her be herself on the campaign trail.

We let Sarah be Sarah. She’s smart, she’s tough, she’s been in debates before," McCain told “Fox & Friends” on Fox News Channel. “The American people … the more they see of her, the more they love her, and I’m confident of that at the end.”

Palin has granted just a handful of interviews and has appeared at times to be uninformed about national issues. For example, in a CBS News interview aired Wednesday she appeared unable to cite a Supreme Court decision with which she disagreed while saying many decisions had divided Americans. McCain and other Republicans criticized such questions as “gotcha journalism.”

“People will have a chance to see her from beginning to end without being edited,” former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., told CBS’ “The Early Show” on Thursday.

“We’ve all had bad days,” Thompson said, “and she’s had some bad moments in some of these interviews, just like the rest of us have had.”

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., a prominent supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign, played up Palin’s debate experience from her race for governor as she argued that Palin has sharper skills than she’s being given credit for. The Democratic National Committee has e-mailed news stories to reporters describing Palin’s able performances in gubernatorial debates in 2006, part of the party’s effort to dispel the notion that Palin is a sub-par debater.

“I think Joe obviously has a challenge tonight. The expectations are so low for Sarah Palin and it’s difficult for him, I think. No matter what he does he’s going to be criticized,” McCaskill told CBS. “Sarah Palin will be tough tonight. She’s a good debater, she’s an effective communicator, and she knows how to throw a punch with a velvet glove and a smile on her face.”

In a conference call Wednesday with reporters, McCaskill was blunt about Biden’s potential for error: “My friend Joe Biden has a tendency to talk forever and sometimes say stuff that’s kind of stupid.” Asked to clarify her remarks, McCaskill said she meant them “affectionately.”

A poor performance by Biden could cement a negative image for the Delaware senator.

Palin has been preparing at McCain’s retreat in Sedona, Ariz. Biden has been undertaking his own intensive preparation near his home in Wilmington, Del., though he went to Washington for Wednesday night’s vote on the economic rescue package.

The 90-minute televised debate was to take place at Washington University in St. Louis, with PBS anchor Gwen Ifill serving as moderator. Ifill herself has come under criticism from some conservatives because she is writing a book, “The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama,” on how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era. She has said she has yet to write the chapter on Obama and questioned why people think it will be favorable toward the Democrat.

“Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn’t writing a book favorable to Barack Obama,” McCain told Fox News on Thursday. “But I have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will treat this as a professional journalist that she is.”

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Possibility 1: she wasn’t vetted the way she should’ve been. Distinct possibility 2: McCain figured people would get onboard based on a cursory view of her record and loud and persistent screaming that she’s a conservative even though she hasn’t been in practice. And that seems to be what’s happening. Her social policy are also favored by the conservative base. The question is whether the choice has turned off more swing voters and moderates than the conservatives it’s secured. I’m really not sure.

Palin facing voters who doubt her readiness By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
48 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin enters her debate Thursday night with Democratic rival Joe Biden as many voters harbor serious doubts about her readiness for the nation’s highest office.

ADVERTISEMENT

An AP-Gfk poll released Wednesday found that just 25 percent of likely voters believe Palin has the right experience to be president. That’s down from 41 percent just after the GOP convention, when the Alaska governor made her well-received debut on the national stage.

Thursday night’s debate in St. Louis gives Palin a chance to overcome the doubts in a 90-minute showcase, her first lengthy give-and-take session since joining the GOP ticket with presidential candidate John McCain.

McCain on Thursday dismissed suggestions that he was upset with campaign staff for holding back Palin and not letting her be herself on the campaign trail.

We let Sarah be Sarah. She’s smart, she’s tough, she’s been in debates before," McCain told “Fox & Friends” on Fox News Channel. “The American people … the more they see of her, the more they love her, and I’m confident of that at the end.”

Palin has granted just a handful of interviews and has appeared at times to be uninformed about national issues. For example, in a CBS News interview aired Wednesday she appeared unable to cite a Supreme Court decision with which she disagreed while saying many decisions had divided Americans. McCain and other Republicans criticized such questions as “gotcha journalism.”

“People will have a chance to see her from beginning to end without being edited,” former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., told CBS’ “The Early Show” on Thursday.

“We’ve all had bad days,” Thompson said, “and she’s had some bad moments in some of these interviews, just like the rest of us have had.”

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., a prominent supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign, played up Palin’s debate experience from her race for governor as she argued that Palin has sharper skills than she’s being given credit for. The Democratic National Committee has e-mailed news stories to reporters describing Palin’s able performances in gubernatorial debates in 2006, part of the party’s effort to dispel the notion that Palin is a sub-par debater.

“I think Joe obviously has a challenge tonight. The expectations are so low for Sarah Palin and it’s difficult for him, I think. No matter what he does he’s going to be criticized,” McCaskill told CBS. “Sarah Palin will be tough tonight. She’s a good debater, she’s an effective communicator, and she knows how to throw a punch with a velvet glove and a smile on her face.”

In a conference call Wednesday with reporters, McCaskill was blunt about Biden’s potential for error: “My friend Joe Biden has a tendency to talk forever and sometimes say stuff that’s kind of stupid.” Asked to clarify her remarks, McCaskill said she meant them “affectionately.”

A poor performance by Biden could cement a negative image for the Delaware senator.

Palin has been preparing at McCain’s retreat in Sedona, Ariz. Biden has been undertaking his own intensive preparation near his home in Wilmington, Del., though he went to Washington for Wednesday night’s vote on the economic rescue package.

The 90-minute televised debate was to take place at Washington University in St. Louis, with PBS anchor Gwen Ifill serving as moderator. Ifill herself has come under criticism from some conservatives because she is writing a book, “The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama,” on how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era. She has said she has yet to write the chapter on Obama and questioned why people think it will be favorable toward the Democrat.

“Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn’t writing a book favorable to Barack Obama,” McCain told Fox News on Thursday. “But I have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will treat this as a professional journalist that she is.”

[/quote]

Good article. And McCaskill laid it out pretty well and pretty succinctly.

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The honeymoon is well and truly over. Here are some interesting poll results regarding indie voters.

What shocked me is the comment that a third are less likely to vote for JM because of SP. Ouch. She really needs to perform outstandingly against JB. Either that or JB needs to perform particularly badly, of which there is every possibility.

From the AP:

A Washington Post poll has found that US voters are having doubts about Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s experience and ability to lead.

The poll, conducted along with ABC News, will come as as a blow to the governor of Alaska as she prepares to engage in a debate with Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden later today.

The paper said that 60% of voters polled see Palin as lacking the experience to be an effective president, and a third are now less likely to vote for GOP presidential nominee John McCain because of his association with her.

Immediately after she was announced as McCain’s running mate, Palin was rated as highly as McCain and his Democratic rival Barack Obama. However her support has slid dramatically since then.

The survey indicated that the biggest shift in public perception of Palin has come among independent voters. In what may be a tight race for the White House, it could be independent voters who could be instrumental in determining the winner.

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Shortly after Palin’s nomination as VP candidate, independents were evenly split in their opinion, but now those who have a negative view outnumber the positives by about 2 to 1. Nearly two-thirds of independent voters said Palin was not experienced enough to serve in the White House, the poll found.

Palin captured the imagination of the American public after McCain chose her as his running mate in August. Her positions on abortion and gun rights resonated deeply with some sections of the conservative voter base.

Her speech at the Republican national convention in September brought the house down, but serious concerns have arisen after television interviews in which she has sometimes found herself lost for words.

However, Democrats are not entirely comfortable with their VP candidate. Delaware senator Joe Biden has been called “uncontrollably verbose” and a “gaffe machine.”

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
“Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn’t writing a book favorable to Barack Obama,” McCain told Fox News on Thursday. “But I have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will treat this as a professional journalist that she is.”

[/quote]

If Palin does an acceptable job tonight, look for the Right-Wing shock jocks to play up her brilliance. If she does poorly, look for them to go after Gwen Ifill, especially if this latter doesn’t lob Palin softballs.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
“Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn’t writing a book favorable to Barack Obama,” McCain told Fox News on Thursday. “But I have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will treat this as a professional journalist that she is.”

If Palin does an acceptable job tonight, look for the Right-Wing shock jocks to play up her brilliance. If she does poorly, look for them to go after Gwen Ifill, especially if this latter doesn’t lob Palin softballs.

[/quote]

Oh yea. That’s absolutely gauranteed.

No win for Democrats.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
“Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn’t writing a book favorable to Barack Obama,” McCain told Fox News on Thursday. “But I have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will treat this as a professional journalist that she is.”

If Palin does an acceptable job tonight, look for the Right-Wing shock jocks to play up her brilliance. If she does poorly, look for them to go after Gwen Ifill, especially if this latter doesn’t lob Palin softballs.

[/quote]

Don’t they have the questions in advance?

I’d be embarrassing for either if they did poorly.

Either way, tomorrow each side will be claiming victory/

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Romney/Paul 2008

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She definitely held her own. Don’t think anyone can deny that.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
She definitely held her own. Don’t think anyone can deny that.[/quote]

I deny it. :wink:

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Floortom wrote:
Yep that’s it. Now be a good little GOP robot and vote McCain/Palin–they’re REAL conservatives. Oakeshoot would be proud.

The American conservative movement is so dumbed down that they think lowering tax rates and paying lip service to religious superstitions is what defines conservatisms. LOL!

FTR: there is a very good chance I will vote the Constitution Party candidate.

Palin’s political attractiveness may not be enough to sway me to vote for a guy who took a dump on the First and Second Amendment.

Chuck Baldwin-- good man.

As far as I’m concerned McCain f*cked himself outta my vote with tonights ‘yea’. Even his 1st Amendment hating brother, Feingold, voted against this P.O.S. legislation.

This was his chance to stand on his own words (re: pork in legislation).[/quote]

Welcome aboard, pretty sure I’m going Constitution Party next month.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
She definitely held her own. Don’t think anyone can deny that.

There are plenty who do but to do so is simply silly.[/quote]

I don’t think anyone’s really denying it. People say Biden did better and was more substantive and pick apart the flaws in her performance. But she definitely didn’t implode. She was solid. Defied expectations. Even the ‘mainstream liberal media’ is acknowledging that.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
pushharder wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
She definitely held her own. Don’t think anyone can deny that.

There are plenty who do but to do so is simply silly.

I don’t think anyone’s really denying it. People say Biden did better and was more substantive and pick apart the flaws in her performance. But she definitely didn’t implode. She was solid. Defied expectations. Even the ‘mainstream liberal media’ is acknowledging that.[/quote]

Defied expectations. Well she definitely did that but they were pretty damn low anyway.