[quote]pushharder wrote:
therover wrote:
Point is, the chick is not qualified…
Why?
Quit just saying she’s not qualified over and over as if the sheer impetus of your passion alone is enough to convince everyone.[/quote]
Have you seen her answer a freshman-seminar level foreign policy question? Or rather, attempt to do so?
Push,
How the fuck you ever got the impression that I am a smart guy,trying to convey that I am “eminently qualified” to say she is unqualified ( shit, your entire sentence in quotes sounds like Palin talking !) is beyond me.
First off, I was talking in the context of her being President, if you read the first part of my comments.So when I stated she is unqualified to be in this position, I meant being 1 step from President. Then again, she ain’t qualified to be VP either.
Second, it’s an OPINION. Please be aware that there are people in this country who have an opinion that Obama is not qualified because he is BLACK ( sad but true).
I am not trying to convince anyone…people can make their own minds up. My passion is to convince ME…no one else. Voicing an opinion and writing about it’s talking points is part of a forum, which we all are part of here.
But, if I have to substantiate my opinion, based on how passionate I am ( and watching the interviews with Gibson and Couric, where Ms Palin has to think and not read from a teleprompter, below are bullet points:
Her continued struggle to think on her feet when questioned ( my opinion ).
Her deer in the headlight look when asked about the Bush Doctrine ( my opinion ). And some people poo poo this one, but in her position, she should know the main points to this as its a big foreign policy shift for this country. When she asked the question ‘In what respect’ is was clear she did not know what this was, and used a tactic for Mr. Gibson to expound on his question until she can get a canned answer out that sounded like it fit the question.
Her once confident look is now shadowed with doubt for fear of saying the wrong thing ( my opinion). Case in point…Ms. Couric asking her what news sources does she read…she responded by saying something like ‘all of them’. When pressed for specifics, she blurts out something about Alaska, yadda yadda yadda ( sorry, not my opinion…FACT).
McCain and the Republican machine picking her to sure up the right wing vote and take a shot with women on the fence
(once again, my opinion).
I am not sure if I need more bullets, but I think the way things are going, Ms. Palin may just substantiate herself as being unqualified.
Palin is a total imbecile who is spectacularly ignorant of national and international issues. Only the most ardent partisan hacks havent come around to that yet. You’re starting to see a lot of anger/disappointment from reasonable conservatives at the total recklessness and cynicism that McCain displayed in selecting her as his VP.
[quote]therover wrote:
Same thing dh…and what did the popular vote in the 2000 Presidential election say ?
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Same thing as it did in 1992.
I also find it funny that no one is trying to picture Biden as the POTUS. Obama could very well have a stroke the first time he actually has to make a decision.
Push,
You have no idea who I am, what I do or what political views I support. I could be a garbage man, teacher, police officer, Gulf War veteran or CEO of a family owned business. Don’t think for one second just because I think Palin is not qualified means I am a bleeding heart liberal.
Opinions ARE subjective. For you to state that is lame and weak.
I never stated she should be ‘disqualified’ as you suggest, only that I feel she is not qualified. And I really don’t think I mentioned or stated that more than twice, so the broken record argument is a poor one.
Why do I need to be a political science expert to know the main premise of the Bush Doctrine ? The interviewer was not asking for specifics. I can read, and pretty much did read about it, more than 2 weeks ago, although your crystal ball suggests other wise.
Please don’t swallow the bullshit of her being trapped. That is the most lamest excuse of all. All politicians get trapped and expect to be. It is their ability to see the trap coming and get out of it that separates them. Palin cannot do either. And you point out that it was OBVIOUS that she was getting trapped. Well…she didn’t see it so how obvious was it ?
Sorry, but these were not hard, specific questions she was asked. And I am of the opinion that in this day and age, verbal skills are of utmost importance when it comes to the job of POTUS and VP. Question for you…do you think GW has common sense ? Turns out he has NONE ( nor does he have verbal skills), so the common sense argument as the only thing that is needed to protect us and our constitution is out the window.
The verbal skills one uses when answering the press, not matter how stupid the question, can give one an understanding how that person will be when speaking with foreign leaders across the negotiating table. Let me ask you a question…when negotiating, would you rather have common sense and no gift of gab or the opposite ?
You brought up the word passion, not me.
“sheer impetus of your passion alone is enough to convince everyone”.
Please be aware that you are continuing to argue that I stated she should be ‘disqualified’ when I never stated that. I believe there is a difference between one stating she should be disqualified and one stating she is not qualified, but I could be wrong ( which I am sure you will point out to me).
But, if all my subjective opinions are weak and make no sense, please enlighten me as to why Ms. Palin IS qualified to be 1 step from the Presidency ? I would love to hear some of your opinions on this.
And sorry, but I won’t be checking back on your progress but I am sure we will continue this debate.
Also, I bet you that we probably have a lot of the same views when it comes to our country and politics, just the view of Ms. Palin as a qualified VP candidate not being one of them (and I am sure there are more !).
When you boil it down, this is what makes our country the greatest of them all. Whether it be people agreeing, disagreeing with moderate view points, or disagreeing whole heartedly with flaming responses, there are no ramifications. It’s a view point from an individual, and all of us are right, and all of us a wrong, depending on the others point of view.
Hey, now that I think about it…I will be checking back on your progress !
You have to admit…these are interesting times.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
therover wrote:
Point is, the chick is not qualified…
Why?
Quit just saying she’s not qualified over and over as if the sheer impetus of your passion alone is enough to convince everyone.[/quote]
There is another thread on this. Her answers show funadmental lack of comprehension on any crucial issue facing this nation. Have you been listening to her speak? Beyond that, she’s no fiscally conservative reformer. Her record in Wasilla is atrocious. Her record as governor is not much better.
In Wasilla, she ran up a $20 million debt. Brokered an atrocious sports complex deal that cost the city millions and led to protracted litigation and costs additional millions because she failed to determine whether the city had title to the land. And it didn’t.
As governor, the pipeline deal she brokered is also in very real danger of failing because she failed to include an important constiutency in the negotiations (the Native Americans) who have very good grounds to defeat the deal. She campaigned for and received millions in pork. She championed for the Bridge to Nowhere often and loudly until it became clear it would be political suicide.
There is just SO much more that is wrong with this women. She simply has no redeeming qualities and would be the worst president I could imagine.
[quote]Floortom wrote:
Palin is a total imbecile who is spectacularly ignorant of national and international issues. Only the most ardent partisan hacks havent come around to that yet. You’re starting to see a lot of anger/disappointment from reasonable conservatives at the total recklessness and cynicism that McCain displayed in selecting her as his VP.[/quote]
Yes. I know MANY moderates who were on the fence who won’t vote for McCain because of her. And I know many conservatives who detest her. They won’t vote for Obama, and are casting an anti-Obama vote by choosing the McCain ticket. But they detest her.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
therover wrote:
Same thing dh…and what did the popular vote in the 2000 Presidential election say ?
Same thing as it did in 1992.
I also find it funny that no one is trying to picture Biden as the POTUS. Obama could very well have a stroke the first time he actually has to make a decision.
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People recognize that possibility and are much more comfortable with it than that trainwreck Palin. That’s why no one is talking about it. Biden has MORE experience than Obama and is more centrist. Most moderates would probably be happier.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
dhickey wrote:
therover wrote:
Same thing dh…and what did the popular vote in the 2000 Presidential election say ?
Same thing as it did in 1992.
I also find it funny that no one is trying to picture Biden as the POTUS. Obama could very well have a stroke the first time he actually has to make a decision.
People recognize that possibility and are much more comfortable with it than that trainwreck Palin. That’s why no one is talking about it. Biden has MORE experience than Obama and is more centrist. Most moderates would probably be happier. [/quote]
Biden is a centrist for a Marxist, he’s no centrist.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
There is another thread on this. Her answers show funadmental lack of comprehension on any crucial issue facing this nation. Have you been listening to her speak? Beyond that, she’s no fiscally conservative reformer. Her record in Wasilla is atrocious. Her record as governor is not much better.
In Wasilla, she ran up a $20 million debt. Brokered an atrocious sports complex deal that cost the city millions and led to protracted litigation and costs additional millions because she failed to determine whether the city had title to the land. And it didn’t.
As governor, the pipeline deal she brokered is also in very real danger of failing because she failed to include an important constiutency in the negotiations (the Native Americans) who have very good grounds to defeat the deal. She campaigned for and received millions in pork. She championed for the Bridge to Nowhere often and loudly until it became clear it would be political suicide.
There is just SO much more that is wrong with this women. She simply has no redeeming qualities and would be the worst president I could imagine. [/quote]
Congrats on the cherry picking and half truths. Just keep posting this over and over again. How many times is this now? 4 or 5?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
People recognize that possibility and are much more comfortable with it than that trainwreck Palin. That’s why no one is talking about it. Biden has MORE experience than Obama and is more centrist. Most moderates would probably be happier. [/quote]
That must be why no one voted for him in the primaries. Experience = sure. Biden would be the definition of trainwreck. He has a long history of offensive comments, stupid comments, and exagerations. I do find him entertaining and would probably have a beer with him but NOT presidential material.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
dhickey wrote:
therover wrote:
Same thing dh…and what did the popular vote in the 2000 Presidential election say ?
Same thing as it did in 1992.
I also find it funny that no one is trying to picture Biden as the POTUS. Obama could very well have a stroke the first time he actually has to make a decision.
People recognize that possibility and are much more comfortable with it than that trainwreck Palin. That’s why no one is talking about it. Biden has MORE experience than Obama and is more centrist. Most moderates would probably be happier.
Biden is a centrist for a Marxist, he’s no centrist.
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He’s not as liberal as Obama. His voting record placed him among the center of Senate Democrats ideologically in National Journal’s annual congressional vote ratings. Although 2007 was his most liberal year.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
People recognize that possibility and are much more comfortable with it than that trainwreck Palin. That’s why no one is talking about it. Biden has MORE experience than Obama and is more centrist. Most moderates would probably be happier.
That must be why no one voted for him in the primaries. Experience = sure. Biden would be the definition of trainwreck. He has a long history of offensive comments, stupid comments, and exagerations. I do find him entertaining and would probably have a beer with him but NOT presidential material.[/quote]
That’s why he’s not running for president. Substantively, he’s ok. Otherwise not so much. It’s precisely these ‘gaffes’ which actually have been publicized and are known to the public that are his greatest failing. Anyhow, the point is that Biden’s been around for years. His views are known. His qualifications speak for themselves [whether one thinks he’s qualified or not, the information is out there and has been]. And his pros and cons are known. Sarah Palin is a newcomer on the scene. Her views and fundamental understanding of the issues she would be facing as VP or president are just being explored. And her record as mayor and governor is just coming to light as well. It’s not pretty.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
There is another thread on this. Her answers show funadmental lack of comprehension on any crucial issue facing this nation. Have you been listening to her speak? Beyond that, she’s no fiscally conservative reformer. Her record in Wasilla is atrocious. Her record as governor is not much better.
In Wasilla, she ran up a $20 million debt. Brokered an atrocious sports complex deal that cost the city millions and led to protracted litigation and costs additional millions because she failed to determine whether the city had title to the land. And it didn’t.
As governor, the pipeline deal she brokered is also in very real danger of failing because she failed to include an important constiutency in the negotiations (the Native Americans) who have very good grounds to defeat the deal. She campaigned for and received millions in pork. She championed for the Bridge to Nowhere often and loudly until it became clear it would be political suicide.
There is just SO much more that is wrong with this women. She simply has no redeeming qualities and would be the worst president I could imagine.
Congrats on the cherry picking and half truths. Just keep posting this over and over again. How many times is this now? 4 or 5?[/quote]
No one has yet offered an adequate response. You want to be the one who does?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
That’s why he’s not running for president. Substantively, he’s ok. Otherwise not so much. It’s precisely these ‘gaffes’ which actually have been publicized and are known to the public that are his greatest failing. Anyhow, the point is that Biden’s been around for years. His vies are known. His qualifications speak for themselves. And his pros and cons are known. Sarah Palin is a newcomer on the scene. Her views and fundamental understanding of the issues she would be facing as VP or president are just being explored. And her record as mayor and governor is just coming to light as well. It’s not pretty.[/quote]
I agree with most of this but it is really tit for tat. The complaints you have of Palin as VP are the same one you should have of Obama for POTUS. Obama has had a chance to work through his naivete` in the primaries. I can show you clips of him looking much worse than Palin.
You have to remember that we have essentially two tickets to choose from. It is easy to level criticizm at any one of them, but if you truly do want to be intellectually honest, you have to assess them relative to the only real alternative.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
That’s why he’s not running for president. Substantively, he’s ok. Otherwise not so much. It’s precisely these ‘gaffes’ which actually have been publicized and are known to the public that are his greatest failing. Anyhow, the point is that Biden’s been around for years. His vies are known. His qualifications speak for themselves. And his pros and cons are known. Sarah Palin is a newcomer on the scene. Her views and fundamental understanding of the issues she would be facing as VP or president are just being explored. And her record as mayor and governor is just coming to light as well. It’s not pretty.
I agree with most of this but it is really tit for tat. The complaints you have of Palin as VP are the same one you should have of Obama for POTUS. Obama has had a chance to work through his naivete` in the primaries. I can show you clips of him looking much worse than Palin.
You have to remember that we have essentially two tickets to choose from. It is easy to level criticizm at any one of them, but if you truly do want to be intellectually honest, you have to assess them relative to the only real alternative.[/quote]
I have many qualms about Obama. He’s far too liberal for my tastes. And I agree that he’s looked bad in many an interview. But never have I found him so fundamentally uninformed and lacking as Palin. I prefer him to Palin. What do you mean by ‘the only real alternative?’
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
dhickey wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
That’s why he’s not running for president. Substantively, he’s ok. Otherwise not so much. It’s precisely these ‘gaffes’ which actually have been publicized and are known to the public that are his greatest failing. Anyhow, the point is that Biden’s been around for years. His vies are known. His qualifications speak for themselves. And his pros and cons are known. Sarah Palin is a newcomer on the scene. Her views and fundamental understanding of the issues she would be facing as VP or president are just being explored. And her record as mayor and governor is just coming to light as well. It’s not pretty.
I agree with most of this but it is really tit for tat. The complaints you have of Palin as VP are the same one you should have of Obama for POTUS. Obama has had a chance to work through his naivete` in the primaries. I can show you clips of him looking much worse than Palin.
You have to remember that we have essentially two tickets to choose from. It is easy to level criticizm at any one of them, but if you truly do want to be intellectually honest, you have to assess them relative to the only real alternative.
I have many qualms about Obama. He’s far too liberal for my tastes. And I agree that he’s looked bad in many an interview. But never have I found him so fundamentally uninformed and lacking as Palin. I prefer him to Palin. What do you mean by ‘the only real alternative?’[/quote]
I mean we don’t have the luxury of a third party that stands a chance.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
dhickey wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
There is another thread on this. Her answers show funadmental lack of comprehension on any crucial issue facing this nation. Have you been listening to her speak? Beyond that, she’s no fiscally conservative reformer. Her record in Wasilla is atrocious. Her record as governor is not much better.
In Wasilla, she ran up a $20 million debt. Brokered an atrocious sports complex deal that cost the city millions and led to protracted litigation and costs additional millions because she failed to determine whether the city had title to the land. And it didn’t.
As governor, the pipeline deal she brokered is also in very real danger of failing because she failed to include an important constiutency in the negotiations (the Native Americans) who have very good grounds to defeat the deal. She campaigned for and received millions in pork. She championed for the Bridge to Nowhere often and loudly until it became clear it would be political suicide.
There is just SO much more that is wrong with this women. She simply has no redeeming qualities and would be the worst president I could imagine.
Congrats on the cherry picking and half truths. Just keep posting this over and over again. How many times is this now? 4 or 5?
No one has yet offered an adequate response. You want to be the one who does?[/quote]
Probably becuase it is so obviously dishonest. I usually wouldn’t spend much time responding to something as weak as this but I can be the first one if you would like. Probalby won’t be today