Time for Palin to Bow Out?

Any evidence to back that up? What I’ve seen shows it to be more or less a wash, with a definite subtext of “what’ll they really do when they get into the booth.”

Where are you getting your information from? Hell, some people on this very site still think Obama is a Muslim!

[i]On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn’t be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites’ views.

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from: The race discussion Obama didn’t want

Other sources:
Race helps, hinders Obama, polls show

Racial views steer some away from Obama

Racism hurts Obama’s campaign
http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Racism-hurts-Obamas-campaign-438199674.html

Google news:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Nope; not kidding.

I don’t think Obama will win.

Mufasa[/quote]

Agreed.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Nope; not kidding.

I don’t think Obama will win.

Mufasa[/quote]

I don’t know what’s going to happen. There’s still a long way to go.

I keep saying the last 2 weeks are everything and I still believe that

[quote]dhickey wrote:
You guys are incredible. Skin color will get Obama more votes than it take away. Stupid argument.
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I’m not so sure about that, Dh. I think there’s a sizable portion of the white population who may be publicly claiming to be Obama supporters, but once they’re alone in the voting booth, they won’t be able to bring themselves to actually vote for a black man.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
dhickey wrote:
You guys are incredible. Skin color will get Obama more votes than it take away. Stupid argument.
[/quote

I’m not so sure about that, Dh. I think there’s a sizable portion of the white population who may be publicly claiming to be Obama supporters, but once they’re alone in the voting booth, they won’t be able to bring themselves to actually vote for a black man.

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Maybe I’m naive, but I just can’t imagine that. I just don’t see how people that actually take the initiave to vote are going to be that backwards. At least in any significant numbers. There are plenty of things to dislike about Obama being being half black is not one of them.

Maybe things are different here in MN. We elected a black muslim to the house. Not my cup of tea but it was not because he was black or a muslim.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
You guys are incredible. Skin color will get Obama more votes than it take away. Stupid argument.
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I don’t think it’s a stupid argument. The US population is only like 13% black, and they’re mostly democrat anyway, so skin color has limited effect except to perhaps increase the turnout. Contrast that with the percentage of people who are racist against blacks (probably a lot…I personally know a good number of my cousins/friends who are) and it’s definitely not out of the realm of possibility that it hurts more than helps him. But since you can’t quantify the number of racists in the country, you can’t ever know for sure.

Even the conservatives are starting to call on Palin to withdraw. Here’s a writer from the National Review:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE

September 26, 2008
National Review

Palin Problem: She’s Out Of Her League
Kathleen Parker

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie
Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who
Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been
pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform
brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held
breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case
it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is
exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the
verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of
many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing
some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about
today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record,
proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the
partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted
Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll
numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able
to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking
about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some
opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe
Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a
woman - and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket - we are
reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the
wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess
his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem
with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can
bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time
with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family
first.

Do it for your country.

Ouch.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Question: If the guy is half white, why is he called a black man?

If he were 1/4 black, 3/4 white what would he be called?

How about 1/8 black, 7/8 white?

Who decides?[/quote]

Sorry we’re getting off topic… but these are good points, Push.

I recall several years ago reading a study where the black community made determinations regarding percentages of black and white. In one aspect, darker blacks were looked down on. Conversely, the same was true of lighter blacks.

[quote]borrek wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Palin is not stepping down. Why should she? She has energized the base, which is exactly why she was picked.

It isn’t the base that needed to be energized. It’s the people on the fence, and those people are quietly shuffling out of the room.

rainjack wrote:
Now that you have Clinton out there pretty much campaigning for McCain - the race is all but over.

The Godfather of the Democratic Party is stumping for the Republican candidate.

The only people who buy that “Clinton for McCain” crap are the same ones tripping over themselves crying “…but Clinton!” to explain the failures of the last 8 years.

You want to blame the guy for the failings of the administration, but then laud over how credible he is when you think you can whore him out to your cause? You’re not fooling anyone

Palin will have plenty of time to bow out on the 5th of November

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Questionable. The conservative base was never going to vote Obama. But there plenty of people who might’ve stayed home. The question is whether the Palin pick securing the base is not offset by the alienation of independents and swing voters. Time will tell on that one.

Here are a few quotes rfrom various sources in th AP:

But the worst may be yet to come for Palin who faces the Democrat vice-presidential candidate, Senator Joe Biden, in a debate on Friday in St Louis. CBS is reported to have two more un-aired responses on tape from last week that are just as embarrassing.

One of McCain’s problems is that commentators are now attacking him for choosing an inexperienced running-mate who has not grown into the job.

The best that the New York Times’s conservative columnist David Brooks could offer is that she brings something “fresh and telegenic” to the ticket. He has defended her as “smart” and said that if she improves in the debate she might rise to the level of “mediocre”.

The Washington Post’s Carl Bernstein wrote: “No presidential nominee of either party in the last century has seemed so willing to endanger the country’s security as McCain in his reckless choice of a running-mate.”

And Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International, urged Palin to quit. “Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be Vice-President.”

I can see a lot of Repubs staying home on election night.

EDIT: Actually my last comment is based on the proviso that things continue as they are. Personally I am scratching my head over McCain’s campaign so far. I think they are sitting tight and will unleash some big guns closer to election time. They seem to be sitting on a large pile of ammo at the moment. Either that or they have no idea what the hell they aree doing.

[quote]GCF wrote:

I can see a lot of Repubs staying home on election night.[/quote]

Early on, I planned on doing just that. However, as time went on casting an anti-Obama vote just became far too tempting to pass up. And I do believe there are many like me.

That is, we had planned to send the Republicans a message, but have now come to the conclusion we can’t tolerate the prospect an of Obama Presidency. No matter how unsatisfied with McCain (and Palin) we are. I can’t prove this now, so we’ll just have to see.

McCain and Palin will win this election DESPITE the “trepidation” being expressed by the GOP.

They (Republicans) will vote; and that vote will go to McCain and Palin.

Mufasa

Boy you really are steadfast on this one Mufasa. I’m rather surprised. Do you live in a red state or a red district by any chance?

Sloth,

I understand your comment about not being able to tolorate an Obama Presidency.

But just think of ( to me) a worse situation. McCain wins, croaks early on in his term, and we have the puppet Palin being totally manipulated by the right wing Rovian’s.

I don’t care how well she can read a telepromter, energize the right wing base, appeal to the Christian right, gun owners and anti-abortion crowd. She is so unqualified to be in this position, it is SCARY. And to bolster Mufasa’s opinion on why McCain is going to win…those groups I just mentioned above VOTE.

When people in her own party, including ultra-conservatives, want her out, it does say something.

I am not sure if selecting her was all John McCains idea. It can’t be ! If so, then it does bring to light Sen. McCains thought process and possible recklessness (again scary).

But 8 years of having 1 maverick in the White House, with all the shit that has happened ( I know it’s not all GW’s fault, but there is something about mojo/karma and it being all fucked up on his watch) that 2 mavericks in the White House may get us blown up. Then again, 2 wrongs could make a right, but in this case I highly doubt it.

No matter what people…you cannot stay home. You have to vote if you are registered.

[quote]therover wrote:
When people in her own party, including ultra-conservatives, want her out, it does say something.
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What does 18m democrats not wanting Obama as the nominee say?

Same thing dh…and what did the popular vote in the 2000 Presidential election say ?

Point is, the chick is not qualified and more and more people are starting to realize that.

Problem is, they do not equate her with the Presidency, and I believe there is a lot to say about the ticket as a whole.

Haven’t heard any dems wanting Obama out after he was nominated.

My point was, and this is just my opinion, is that although Obama may not be tolerable, Palin as President would be much worse.

[quote]therover wrote:

My point was, and this is just my opinion, is that although Obama may not be tolerable, Palin as President would be much worse.[/quote]

In what way?