Time boxing Champions Trained

True enough about fighting largely being anaerobic. I won’t argue that. Also my point wasn’t that hunter-gatherer’s and tribals would destroy/crush all civilized athletes at all sports. My only point was that when people are called “genetic freaks” or “1 in a million” it’s usual some gross exaggeration because most civilized folk have only tapped some small portion of the biology they were born with.

Also Skelak, I know all about other types of boxing conditioning like heavy-bag work, sledge hammer work, sparring, shadowboxing, jump-rope, etc. I know they each provide unique challenges that you need to over-come, that they are hard in their own ways.

Yes I would say that running is one of the most brutal ways to condition yourself, esp doing sprint intervals, but I realize that working your anaerobic capacity on a heavy-bag will feel just as bad if not worse. For example, I do sprint intervals and run 6 miles a day (almost every-day) I can crush the sub 5 minute mile, consistently hit close to a 4 minute mile at 180pounds, but skipping rope for 3 minute rounds, for 12 rounds is still brutal, breaks me down pretty thoroughly.

So yeah a full conditioning program is harder, other things are harder than running in their own way, but running is one of the best conditioning tools there is. When you run and do 100 meter intervals, I do about 6 miles of that a day, I can’t even imagine doing 14. It feels like hammers are beating on your abs after a certain point, trying to smash those 100ms.

It’s also important for a fighter because when you run at speed again and again like that you become 100% clear what kind of muscular imbalances and weaknesses you have, they scream out at you. If your calves or quads are weak in relation to your abs you will feel that pretty clearly, if your abs are weaker and have less endurance than your legs, you will feel that as well.

J. Jeffries would have had a keen awareness of his body running 14 miles a day with 100meter intervals.

[quote]IronClaws wrote:
True enough about fighting largely being anaerobic. I won’t argue that. Also my point wasn’t that hunter-gatherer’s and tribals would destroy/crush all civilized athletes at all sports. My only point was that when people are called “genetic freaks” or “1 in a million” it’s usual some gross exaggeration because most civilized folk have only tapped some small portion of the biology they were born with.

Also Skelak, I know all about other types of boxing conditioning like heavy-bag work, sledge hammer work, sparring, shadowboxing, jump-rope, etc. I know they each provide unique challenges that you need to over-come, that they are hard in their own ways.

Yes I would say that running is one of the most brutal ways to condition yourself, esp doing sprint intervals, but I realize that working your anaerobic capacity on a heavy-bag will feel just as bad if not worse. For example, I do sprint intervals and run 6 miles a day (almost every-day) I can crush the sub 5 minute mile, consistently hit close to a 4 minute mile at 180pounds, but skipping rope for 3 minute rounds, for 12 rounds is still brutal, breaks me down pretty thoroughly.

So yeah a full conditioning program is harder, other things are harder than running in their own way, but running is one of the best conditioning tools there is. When you run and do 100 meter intervals, I do about 6 miles of that a day, I can’t even imagine doing 14. It feels like hammers are beating on your abs after a certain point, trying to smash those 100ms.

It’s also important for a fighter because when you run at speed again and again like that you become 100% clear what kind of muscular imbalances and weaknesses you have, they scream out at you. If your calves or quads are weak in relation to your abs you will feel that pretty clearly, if your abs are weaker and have less endurance than your legs, you will feel that as well.

J. Jeffries would have had a keen awareness of his body running 14 miles a day with 100meter intervals.
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First,its SKELAC,not Skelak.

I wont critique your routine.But I never got into running long distances or running so much intervals.
What I did though was hitting the heavy bag for up to 3 hours a day.Thats not only punching ,but also kicks,knees,elbows and even shoulder thrust to disbalance the opponent.
Everybody is different.
I never got much from shadow boxing and prefer light sparring instead.
But with the heavy bag I could get the sounds of the bag getting hit as feedback to how effective those strikes were.Then,I would experiment with angles and distances while always trying to hit harder.You also get to toughen your bodyparts that make contact-shins,fists,…
The only thing preventing me to do more bag work was crushing monotony of it and sustainability of damage to your bodyparts to recover daily.
Throw in my jumping rope routine which is very intense,weights,other kickboxing classes,thats a lot of body stress to supercompensate.
I doubt I could be more effective running more.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]IronClaws wrote:
Which is why when you run 14 miles a day with 100meter sprint intervals without stopping to walk every-day like Jefferies, you end up super built up, super conditioned, because you are working a lot of physiological systems that don’t get worked outside of running, muscles, tendons and ligaments that “evolved” to allow you to run, that don’t get used in other tasks like strength-training or skill-work. Part of the reason conditioning work is so important for boxers.[/quote]

You keep trying to turn this back to marathon running, because that’s the only area your argument holds up. People that have to run long distances everday are pretty good at it? Really!? no way.

Again I reiterate: where are these AMAZING hunter gatherers who make Olympians and elite athletes in every other kind of performance field want to quit their athletic endeavors?

P.S boxing, kickboxing, pretty much any combat sport otherwise, is largely an anaerobic environment.[/quote]

Elite athlete is a specialist at specific task.
Elite athletes are produced by STRICT SELECTION OF TALENT FIRST and then by at least decade of everyday routine of focused intense effort lasting few hours.The rest of every day is spent sleeping,relaxing,eating,etc.
So,elite athlete can be only beaten by other elite athlete specializing in the same task.

[quote]IronClaws wrote:

Also the “strength” champions of the 19th century, like Arthur Saxon, make a joke out of almost all “champion” lifters of the modern era. I don’t see anyone putting up a 400pound bent press, and I probably won’t see it in my life-time, either. The old-time strong-men were capable of feats of strength that modern day lifters (outside of all but the most accomplished strong-men) can’t.[/quote]

Sorry but Vasily begs to differ:

What’s that Serge? Strict 500 lbs OHP you say?

You don’t see 400 pound bent presses because no one trains that lift anymore, but a 400lb bent press is much easier to achieve than a 400 pound overhead press. In the bent press, you are bending your body away from the weight vs. a press where you are actually pressing the weight. If you look saxon’s verifiable lifts (300 pound bag press, 240ish military press), they are dwarfed by the lifts of modern strong men. Don’t get me wrong, he was an amazing athlete for his size (~210 lbs), but to say that the older timers made a joke out of most modern day champions is pure BS.

Not to mention the large exaggeration factor regarding the feats of old time athletes…

It’s all relative.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Not to mention the large exaggeration factor regarding the feats of old time athletes…[/quote]

not to mention the large factor of performance enhancing drugs ;)))