[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
To Ar,just so you know I am not a DR. I am a RNBN.
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what does DR mean(doctor?)? and RNBN?
thx…
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Now even with the use of AAS or any other growth agents realize it will take you YEARS! to develop a quality physique.
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of course! i know that and i think that this is part of the game (a nice part i can say)… as i have already wrote i dont need neither want the “magic drug” 
but if i can use xyz to achive faster results… i’ll do (with an eye to pro and contro of course… and with all the research and attention that topics need).
and i’m not here for that magic pill
by now i really have no problem gaining mass (lean mass). i’m quite happy of what i’m obtain woring out.
cutting it’s a different task for me. with diet and training i’m unable to drop under 85kg without losing too much strenght and lean mass.
i started working out at 105kg (very very fat) drop to 80 (about 12-14%bf) and then i start my “bulking”.
this year i have choiced to add to my diet-wise cutting a little help…
please, dont talk to me like to a kid
drugs aren’t the difference from failing or winning. i always win in the long run. Drugs only “make me run faster”…
however i understand your good intentions. as i hope you understand i’m not here for magic pill or to play with risk i don’t know or worst…
yes it’s the nice and worst side of philosopy
however next time i’ll use test to cut 
(LOL)
[quote]cadav wrote:
TONEdef wrote:
Sto scherzando soltanto il mio amico;-D
Tone
i know my friend 
the right phare however should be:
“sto soltando scherzando, amico”
or if you want to add the “my”:
“sto soltando scherzando, amico mio”
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Il mio italiano non troppo buono, ma provo:-D
[quote]cadav wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
To Ar,just so you know I am not a DR. I am a RNBN.
what does DR mean(doctor?)? and RNBN?
thx…
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DR does mean doctor.
RNBN means Registered Nurse to Bachelor of Nursing. P22 is in nursing.
[quote]cadav wrote:
please, dont talk to me like to a kid
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Sorry, that wasn’t my intent you got the wrong impression by my meaning here. What I meant for example is that your diet and training alone should get you ripped. By adding the drugs it will just make you get even more ripped, but also retain and add more muscle, and yes speed up the process a littl.
I hope you get what I mean - the intent is so when you stop using the fat burner, your body/ metabolism (and eating habbits) are quite cabable of maintaining your new weight/ bf% without ‘help’.
[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:
Do you think that anyone on this and other boards that are here when they get time, don’t have a book published, are considered by many, many people to have credible knowledge of this subject matter give good advice?
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Honestly?
About as often as they give terrible advice.
[quote]TONEdef wrote:
DR does mean doctor.
RNBN means Registered Nurse to Bachelor of Nursing. P22 is in nursing.[/quote]
I must have assumed by the “I work in a hospital” and the comments about “I saved a man’s life today” to imply doctor.
My roommate is a nurse, by the way, and a captain in the US Army.
He’s currently in Nurse Anesthetist school, and served in Baghdad ER.
[quote]TONEdef wrote:
DR does mean doctor.
RNBN means Registered Nurse to Bachelor of Nursing. P22 is in nursing.[/quote]
thx! my sister too is RNBN
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Sorry, that wasn’t my intent you got the wrong impression by my meaning here.
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don’t worry i understand what you mean and i understand that you just want to be helpfull
i wrote here to get information from every experience and yours is as valuable as AR’s
i know and is for that task that i use drugs (and in the next future i’ll use again, AAS cycle that time)… for they power to speed up things
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I hope you get what I mean - the intent is so when you stop using the fat burner, your body/ metabolism (and eating habbits) are quite cabable of maintaining your new weight/ bf% without ‘help’.[/quote]
i hope
i have a really clean diet, healthy. I work out hard and mass/strenght results make me hope to be in the right path…
of course i can be in error… thinks can be improved… i’m here (and in the gym and on the books…) to improve
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
as wrote:
Just a question related to the original post about optimizing thyroid output for fat burning. For the first time in my life I’m having trouble cutting for summer not sure why(possibly stress, lack of sleep constantly, etc) but I started taking some old T2. Not only did I not get results but I then upped the dose and feel like I’m actually retaining more abdominal fat. Is this even possible? I got desperate and added in some T3 (25mcg daily), that I was able to get a hold of and I actually feel like I’m getting fatter. Anyone have a clue what’s going on? Is this even possible? Just a little background on my diet. Always did great on the Body Opus diet. This time around the no carb thing is not working at all.
post your diet along with your stats and I’ll see if i can help out. Typically I don’t have a problem myself shedding weight without the help of fat burners. I find the less depedant I am on them, the healthier my metabolism remains in the long run. That thread on ‘metabolic damage’ has some really good points. It is better IMO not to cut out all carbs, especially if you are not doing a show.[/quote]
I usually do the Body Opus diet because it always gave me the fastest, and most fat loss with the least amount of muscle loss. Basically you split your whole body into 2 heavy tension workouts on monday and tuesday, then on friday you do a light, high rep full body carb depletion workout, and then carb up fairly clean all weekend, then start no carbs again on sunday eveneing.
I do 45 mins. cardio Mon., wed., thurs. Calories are about 200gms protein, 0-30gms carbs and fats anywhere from 100-125gms mon-fri. Weekend, protein is about the same, carbs are about 500gms daily, fats about 40-50gms daily. This usually gets me down to about 8% body fat within 8-10 weeks from about 12-14.
This time around can’t break 10%(6’0 just over 200lbs). Started adding 200mcg of T2, nothing happened. Upped it to 400mcg., and it seems like I started getting fatter in the lower abs and love handles, or retainng water their, not sure which but probably fat. Switched to T-Dawg diet and the nutrient ratio that coincides with that diet. Just started adding 25mcgs. of T3. Still stuck.
Thanks for you time and help. I don’t know if this has anything to do with it but recently I had a bout of pancreatitis from alcohol abuse and was wondering if my insulin or blood sugar levels could be out of whack, it sometimes feel that way. Or could it be the constant carb deplete and carb ups that screwed me up? Haven’t touched alcohol in 9 months but endoscopy showed slight scarring, but not enough to impair function according to the Dr. Thanks for your help.
[quote]as wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
as wrote:
Just a question related to the original post about optimizing thyroid output for fat burning. For the first time in my life I’m having trouble cutting for summer not sure why(possibly stress, lack of sleep constantly, etc) but I started taking some old T2. Not only did I not get results but I then upped the dose and feel like I’m actually retaining more abdominal fat. Is this even possible? I got desperate and added in some T3 (25mcg daily), that I was able to get a hold of and I actually feel like I’m getting fatter. Anyone have a clue what’s going on? Is this even possible? Just a little background on my diet. Always did great on the Body Opus diet. This time around the no carb thing is not working at all.
post your diet along with your stats and I’ll see if i can help out. Typically I don’t have a problem myself shedding weight without the help of fat burners. I find the less depedant I am on them, the healthier my metabolism remains in the long run. That thread on ‘metabolic damage’ has some really good points. It is better IMO not to cut out all carbs, especially if you are not doing a show.
I usually do the Body Opus diet because it always gave me the fastest, and most fat loss with the least amount of muscle loss. Basically you split your whole body into 2 heavy tension workouts on monday and tuesday, then on friday you do a light, high rep full body carb depletion workout, and then carb up fairly clean all weekend, then start no carbs again on sunday eveneing.
I do 45 mins. cardio Mon., wed., thurs. Calories are about 200gms protein, 0-30gms carbs and fats anywhere from 100-125gms mon-fri. Weekend, protein is about the same, carbs are about 500gms daily, fats about 40-50gms daily. This usually gets me down to about 8% body fat within 8-10 weeks from about 12-14.
This time around can’t break 10%(6’0 just over 200lbs). Started adding 200mcg of T2, nothing happened. Upped it to 400mcg., and it seems like I started getting fatter in the lower abs and love handles, or retainng water their, not sure which but probably fat. Switched to T-Dawg diet and the nutrient ratio that coincides with that diet. Just started adding 25mcgs. of T3. Still stuck.
Thanks for you time and help. I don’t know if this has anything to do with it but recently I had a bout of pancreatitis from alcohol abuse and was wondering if my insulin or blood sugar levels could be out of whack, it sometimes feel that way. Or could it be the constant carb deplete and carb ups that screwed me up? Haven’t touched alcohol in 9 months but endoscopy showed slight scarring, but not enough to impair function according to the Dr. Thanks for your help.[/quote]
O.k. Here is a quick run down of what I do, and recomend…
Don’t use your weight workouts for carb depleting, or ‘buring calories’. Think of these workouts as for building or keeping lean muscle.
That means shorter weight workouts, more frequently, like 5 or 6 out of 7 days a week.
Always have a serving of high glycemic carbs directly following your workout. using SURGE is a good example. This will prevent you from loosing muscle, and flatening out, and will keep your metabolism revved up.
Don’t carb up for two days in a row, Your cheat meals should be every 3 or 4 days, and limit it to only 1 meal for the day. Use clean carbs for most of these cheat meals, but allow youself whatever you really want to eat every 2nd or third cheat day, for that one meal. That will keep your sanity intact, without slowing your process.
Also, increase you protein intake by at least 100 or more lean grams of protein per day. Dieting is expensive :).
Cardio needs to be done every day that you can possibly do it, and prefferable in the morning when you wake up, or if not then, directly following you weight workout. If you do it following your weight routine, take the surge directly afterwards. If in the morning, use just protein as your post exercise supplement. The sessions should last 30-40 minutes, and pacing should be at a hr of 120-130 bpm.
Once you reach your target weight, continue the diet, except now you can incorporate a moderate amount of carb intake directly following your cardio sessions and your weight routines.
You can then titrate the amount of your cardio, you do i.e. frequency, and duration, and your carb intake, to find your maintainance level. As your carbs go up, protein intake can go down -Some weeks for example you may eat more calories and put on a little fat, which can easily be adjusted off the next week by eating less carbs more lean protein, and increasing your cardio.
(I never like to use numbers like cals, or grams, because you need to find the amounts that work for you personally.)
This my freind is by far the healthiest way to achieve your results,and maintain them as you never actually are starving yourself, and you are incorporating diet and exercise adequately into the equation.
Now keep in mind once you reach your weight you can also subplant your cardio session, for some other form of activity, for example a game of squash, a trail ride with your mountain bike, or a good long roll in the hay with your wife
Now yes this is a very work- intensive program, as you are in the gym lots, but it is a lifestyle, not just a diet.
As for your problems you possibly are having, I suggest you screen your fasting blood sugars, to rule out any diabetes. Other than that try the above approach, and see if it works for you.
[quote]cadav wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:
AR,
What makes you the expert??? Yes you wrote a book. Some like it some don’t. Who gives a shit?
have you read the book?
it is really intresting, full of well documented information. the bibliografy is rich and a lot of topics are reviewed in deep yet simple form.
i don’t think AR need my defence, but i need to say that he know what he’s talking about. he doesn’t talk of thinks he doesn’t know…
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No, I haven’t read the book. I have heard some good things about it like you said above. But I have heard bad too. To each his own.
Did you read the part where I said he knows his shit?
JW
[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:
No, I haven’t read the book. I have heard some good things about it like you said above. But I have heard bad too. To each his own.
Did you read the part where I said he knows his shit?
JW
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The only thing that annoyed me about the book was the editing (I didn’t do that part).
There were minor typos in the first edition, and those have since been corrected, and we are on a second printing of it, as of Monday (because Barnes & Noble just accepted it).
Other than that, I’m really proud of it, and think it’s the best book you can buy- especially now that it’s been corrected.
Prisoner 22 thanks for your all your help. I’ll definetly give it a shot.
[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:
Did you read the part where I said he knows his shit?
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yes
but i thought you had found something “wrong” in the book. I like AR’s book but it is not the bible so i would like to know if you have found something wrong
how is youre t4 cycle working?
this week i’ll quit it and start PCT
know i am at -4.5kg, no strenght penalty, neither other side effects.
no headache, no heart rate increase… no side effects at all.
intresting experience.
however as far as i have read in the last weeks, and after the reading of prisoner posts i think i’ll try a AAS cycle based on test-e and winny.
by now however i’ll focus on PCT
[quote]brunottfn wrote:
how is youre t4 cycle working?[/quote]
lol , yeah true
ive read the arguments part and never saw ay mention of how t4 went ??