Thread for People On the Spectrum

I was diagnosed late in life (mid-30s) because when I was young, the hot topic was ADD, not autism. I’ll avoid a rant on that horseshit, though.

One thing that helped me with becoming more self-aware was taking the MTBI personality assessment (I’m an INTJ). It helped me learn A LOT about myself and my actions/thought patterns. It doesn’t explain everything, but it definitely helped me. I realize that it’s not based on pure science, so there’s intrinsic flaws with the model, but I think it’s worth a shot.

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Another abnormal behaviour with a strong correlation to autism, perhaps @anna_5588 can relate.

Tics… as a child I had a multide of vocal/phonic tics, the severity of which would wax and wane based upon environmental stressors present at the time.

In response to… Certain environmental stressors… I also had a tendency to viciously pull out my hair as a means of (I suppose?) sensory soothing. The terminology for this is trichotillomania.

Thank you :slight_smile: I’ll certainly check this out. To note, I have ADHD (backed by recurrent evaluations); was diagnosed as a child. Adequate/well tolerated treatments for ADD/ADHD have yet to come around. Current era first line treatments revolve around stimulant meds, particularly amphetamines, NDRI’s, but certain SNRI’s alpha 2a adrenergic receptor agonists (guanfacine) etc also exist as second line treatments. Australia generally tends to be a few years behind modern era treatments for numerous medical conditions including neurodevelopmental disorders so newer medications such as modafinil, dexmethylphenidate etc aren’t available here.

I’d like to state ADD/ADHD isn’t a horseshit diagnosis, and the use of stimulants to treat individuals afflicted with this condition doesn’t equate to the child/adult at hand being a “tweaker”; this is a discriminatory body of thought based upon ignorance. There’s a big difference between someone with legitimate attention deficit disorder taking 15 mg dextroamphetamine per day and an adult male smoking crystal methamphetamine out of a glass pipe. There are those who seek a diagnosis in effort to seek drugs, and the condition is frequently misdiagnosed.

That being said, there are those who legitimately have add/adhd. In no means is such a diagnosis an excuse to behave like a reckless idiot, however if you ever interact with someone who has relatively severe ADD/ADHD you’ll notice, medicated or not, that this is a very real condition.

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yes. I have a very bad habit of saying “meep” or making cat noises

I used to have a bad habit of saying “hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm” at random times. No joke, I’d be sitting quietly and suddenly I’d let out a loud “hmmmmmmmmmmm”. I seriously couldn’t control it!

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Just wondering, are you very sensitive to noise?

This is an interesting one. I used to be, so much so that I’d have to wear headphones in large crowds.

As I’ve specified however, practice… Practice… Practice …

In my early teens I quickly came to a realisation. If I wanted to envelop myself within a normal peer group, go out and do the things I wanted to do I’d need to make drastic changes.

To keep in mind, I’m a fanatic for music; particularly rock n roll, punk and ‘extreme’ metal. I wanted to go to gigs, concerts and rock/metal festivals when I was older; though the thought of this seemed so frightening. I was always comfortable listening to loud music alone in my room with earphones on, I suppose this was in part due to the fact such an environment was controlled. I had full control over the degree of stimuli present.

To alter this I started to play music on a speaker out loud in my room (to the dismay of my entire family). Slowly but surely I made routine progressions, I took up playing guitar/piano. Fast forward to me now (age twenty) I can go to clubs, concerts, festivals, get in the mosh pits, dance around in public (and dance with girls).

My intervention started from a young age, and it’s taken a TREMENDOUS amount of effort/intervention, both on my part and through help from others to become who I am today :).

Keep in mind, this is merely my story. What works/worked for me won’t be uniform across the spectrum.

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I didn’t intend to give the impression that I think the concept of ADD is horseshit- what I meant was that it is overdiagnosed. I have a close friend who legitimately has it, but most of the kids I saw in my mom’s daycare who were diagnosed with it were just hyper kids who needed more exercise and a better diet.

As far as amphetamines being used in children, I wholeheartedly disagree with the use. The potential long-term damage to the body is not worth it.

Have you tried modafinil? My friend takes that and it works very well for him.

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I am of this opinion. THe modern school systems expects young children (who are cognitively unsuited for rote learning) to sit still, take away PE and pump them with sugar… ADD my ass

According to my therapist and psych professors, “real” ADD is pretty distinct

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When I taught, ADD/ADHD was definitely over diagnosed. There were quite a few parents who just didn’t want to deal with their kids and drugged them up. HOWEVER, the few that really needed meds and got them were completely different kids and it completely changed their trajectory for the better.

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This has always been an issue for me. Loud noises, especially sudden ones, trigger anger in me- and I’m not an angry person at all. This has been something I’ve worked on for years, but very little progress has been made.

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I don’t get angry, just very anxious, which if bottled up too much, bursts.

It’s especially bad for me because I was blessed with very good hearing (about a standard deviation outside the “normal” hearing range)and got tinnitus playing the piccolo

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modern medicine is a miracle if applied appropriately

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My hearing is exceptional as well (makes up for my myopia), which I am certain plays a role in my problem with loud noises.

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A common problem with us…

There is little evidence long term implimentation of low dose amphetamine use has a detrimental impact on the physical health/wellbeing of adolescents with ADHD aside from perhaps a slight retardation of stature. If we are taking about actual children, then I’d have to state I don’t know. Keep in mind, this isn’t akin to a neuro-typical individual taking amphetamines. For the individual with ADHD, dopamine production is insufficient to induce adequate neurological homeostasis. Amphetamines increase dopamine output reliably, as I’ve said; in a clinical setting this NOT akin to recreational drug use. Plenty of medications have the potential to be abused and/or have downsides associated with use, this isn’t to state someone with a legitimate medical condition ought to have access restricted because they’re too young. If the benefits outweigh the risk, then the benefits outweigh the risk. Benzodiazepines, amphetamines and opiates and are probably the big three most prone to abuse.

As to modafinil, they don’t prescribe modafinil for ADHD in Aus. I get dextroamphetamine in 5mg tablets than can be split in half, but I don’t take it regularly (only when I feel I really need it). Though I am far more productive, organised and focused on than off. When I was on dexmethylphenidate (considerably milder and more tolerable for me), the difference was night and day (as @doogie stated). The difference is also substantial with Dex, however the duration of action is very short requiring one to dose a few times per day and the crash I get after I use them for a few days in succession makes me uncomfortable.

I actually have taken modafinil twice without a prescription to deal with jetlag; unsure as to how effective it was for ADHD as this only encompasses two doses. To use modafinil “off script” for ADHD would cost me a fortune, I’d have to go doctor shopping until I could find someone willing to give me a private script (not approved for ADHD here) and even then it’d still cost me a fortune.

In terms of music I’ve been told I have “perfect pitch” (i.e can tune a guitar from ear, sometimes name chords/notes people play by ear). Though as a result of blasting very loud music for hours every day for years on end through my earphones (I blow through multiple pairs each year) it would appear as if my hearing has been damaged (I don’t always make the smartest choices). Right now I’m sitting in my bed and there is a constant ringing in my ears!

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You need a nice pair of Sennheisers. They’re like a whole world of bright, crisply detailed beautiful sound.

As I understand it, the long-term effects are not fully known/understood. I have read at least a few publications calling their safety into question. Here is a recent one looking at white matter development:

Cardiovascular issues are also possible with amphetamine use, especially in a developing body.

And I would say that the issue of growth suppression is a rather large concern, but that’s my opinion.

When I was in high school, I knew a lot of kids who were prescribed amphetamines and they would sell them to others instead of taking them.

And I’m sorry to hear that modafinil is not available to you. From my understanding, it’s much better than amphetamines/amphetamine substitutes.

Costs like 4-600$ though. My next big purchase is going to be a record player.

Depends upon generic predisposition. There is no difference between an adult taking 5mg dextroamphetamine and a child/adolescent taking the same 5mg, if anything the child will be less prone to arrhythmia as less subclinical damage from aging would be present. In therapeutic dosages, amphetamines can marginally increase resting heart rate (3-12bpm) and transiently increase diastolic and systolic blood pressure, though the alteration is rarely significant enough to induce hypertension.

Systemic vasoconstriction can also be deemed of concern, but one again excessive oxidative stress + damage mediated from intensive systemic vasoconstriction/catecholamine overload is typically only of concern with high dosages. MIMS for Dextroamphetamine lists up to 60 mg/day.

Yes, cardiovascular issues are of concern; particularly if you have pre-existing cardiac defects/pathologies. However rigorously backed bodies of literature indicate for a healthy individual, low dose amphetamine use is relatively safe and doesn’t have a statistically significant effect on all cause cardiovascular mortality rates.

As to the study you’ve listed.

  • average age was only 10-12 years old. These are children
  • methylphenidate isn’t “amphetamines”, it is a stimulant/more or less an NDRI.

Here’s some data regarding outcomes associated with stimulant use based upon age

Indicates those treated with stimulants have a higher penchant for showcasing depressive symptoms down the line, but display less severe symptomatology associated with ADHD and a sharp reduction in youth related recreational drug use. Part of the diagnostic criteria that encompasses ADHD/ADD includes impulsive behaviour. Those with ADD/ADHD are far more likely to experiment with hard drugs in comparison to those not afflicted with this condition.

There is some data to indicate methylphenidate in particular may negatively alter cortical plasticity/induce long lasting neurodevelopmental alterations that may serve as both a benefit and a detriment for the patient. I’d argue “fine, switch meds” or “if the kid really has ADHD/ADD perhaps the benefit of transforming him/her into a functional member of society outweighs any percieved (likely small/minute) risk”.

As to kids selling ADHD/ADD meds… This happens… All the fucking time and it’s a problem. At the same time, speed is also sold on the street (amphetamine sulphate that’s been cut to shit), as is methamphetamine. Both are really common in Aus. I’d prefer Bill take a tablet of Johnnie’s Adderall than buy the alternative off the street. Bill probably won’t become dependent or addicted from one (low dose) tablet every now and again. On the other hand it’s easy to become amphetamine dependant if you’re buying grams at a time off the street.

Neither scenario is a good one, but from a perspective of “how much harm will this induce”, it’s unlikely someone popping an occasional pill to aid in studying will amount to much more than the occasional unproductive cram before a test. That being said I do know someone who became dependent on… I want to say dextroamphetamine within college as he had virtually unrestricted access (this was back in the day, like during the 1980s).

The growth suppression is typically within the 1-2 cm range (under an inch, sometimes under half an inch) and if I recall data seems to suggest the growth retardation is reversible if the use of stimulants is halted prior to the child’s epiphyseal plates fusing.

Debatable, it isn’t as potent; though the side effect profile is far more tolerable. Side effects I notice from dextroamphetamine are

  • stunted appetite
  • insomnia (if I dose late in the day)
  • hyperhidrosis
  • irritability (crashing) if I take subsequent days in a row, then stop taking them suddenly.
  • elevated heart rate (note I have IST, a type of dysautonomia)

I’d hands down trial modafinil as a replacement. If it was effective I’d choose that over amphetamines any day of the year.

An interesting note, in the USA methamphetamine hydrochloride is approved for treatment of severe ADHD. It isn’t typically prescribed due to cardiovascular concern/neurotoxicity. The doses used are small, somewhere around the 5-10mg/day range if I recall correctly. Now THIS I’d be up in arms about if they were giving it to children.

Which is why you need a pair of Senns.

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