[quote]rundymc wrote:
^You need help[/quote]
If you want to help me you can cup the balls, I guess.
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
^You need help[/quote]
If you want to help me you can cup the balls, I guess.[/quote]
Relax, I was trying to make a joke. Obviously I’ve failed miserably; guess I’ll take myself out to the woodshed and end it all.
I attempted suicide twice just before my teen years. I was severely emotionally abused. I had been made to believe that I had less value than a small box of dirt. I was utterly without hope, and desperately wanted to stop feeling that pain. I honestly did not believe that anyone around me would be anything but happy that I was not around. It wasn’t some desperate cry for help, or a ploy for attention. I honestly thought that life would never get better, and I didn’t want to live any longer.
These patterns repeat themselves. I married someone who treated me like gold until he felt I was sufficiently trapped. Then the abuse began. The only thing that kept me from driving my car off a high rise bridge was my child. I knew I could not leave her in the hands of an abuser. It was a strange situation. My child is what had me trapped, but the only thing keeping me alive. If it weren’t for her, I could have driven off that bridge. But if it weren’t for her, I wouldn’t be so hopelessly trapped in a life that promised only to get worse. (I have since removed both myself and my daughter to safety.)
I don’t want to defend suicide. I think it’s a terrible thing, and most of the time, there are better answers. But people who have never been there shouldn’t be so quick to judge. You just never know what is really going on beneath the surface.
First off, to the people that are offended, sorry, but you make your comments from your own experiences, others of us, me as one, have seen suicide and it has deeply hurt, but i still stand by my statements. a lot of these are what we call opinions, and theyre meant to differ from person to person. Feelings, and emotions are different in everybody.
Also I agree with whoever, hungry, i think? made the distinction between mental illness and drama seekers. If someone has a legitimate mental illness its a sad story, but granted with that, they should be having that treated, and if noone has caught onto such a mental illness there are a lot of problems going on.
So yes I have lost people i care about due to suicide, and as heavythrower said, I do see this every day as well and maybe its something you become desensitized too, but when you see things like this so much, your view points change. This is a touchy subject in general and people react differently, but i still stand by my previous statement, certain mental illnesses aside.
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
You guys who think suicide is selfish are awesome! Big thumbs up at being win at life! You’re right, people who kill themselves are selfish pussies, I’m sure you’d never do it if you were in their mental state! Keep rockin on!
hahaha[/quote]
I can’t believe I rejoined to post on this topic but you are just wrong, trav.
As someone with experience with mental illness and suicide, I absolutely believe it is selfish and weak.
I cant think of a more selfish thing to do than to torture everyone that cares about you because your situation is “so hopeless.” Parents are not meant to outlive their children, and to do such a horrible thing to them so you can get away from some problem (whether real or perceived) is the ultimate fuggin act of selfishness. Putting your feelings above others is selfish. Life is tough, get a helmet.
It is also weak and cowardly- it is the ultimate act of hiding from your problems. Sack up and deal.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
The BEST people in this world are the ones who NEVER give up, even when faced with insurmountable odds.[/quote]
Suppose you have motor neurone disease, which is incurable and terminal, and all you have to look forward to is a slow, undignified death, with all your loved ones watching you waste away as it strips you of everything. Do you still think suicide is wrong then?[/quote]
How often does this actually happen compared to some teenager slicing their wrists?
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
You guys who think suicide is selfish are awesome! Big thumbs up at being win at life! You’re right, people who kill themselves are selfish pussies, I’m sure you’d never do it if you were in their mental state! Keep rockin on!
hahaha[/quote]
I can’t believe I rejoined to post on this topic but you are just wrong, trav.
As someone with experience with mental illness and suicide, I absolutely believe it is selfish and weak.
I cant think of a more selfish thing to do than to torture everyone that cares about you because your situation is “so hopeless.” Parents are not meant to outlive their children, and to do such a horrible thing to them so you can get away from some problem (whether real or perceived) is the ultimate fuggin act of selfishness. Putting your feelings above others is selfish. Life is tough, get a helmet.
It is also weak and cowardly- it is the ultimate act of hiding from your problems. Sack up and deal.[/quote]
Honestly I agree with you, but at the same time that’s because I’ve had enough positive people in my life to toughen me up to the point where I would at least not do that to myself. But I also believe that not everyone has anyone or any positive influence whatsoever in their life. Attention seeking or serious those people need help to take control of their lives, if you’re really as tough and selfless as you say you are you would realize that. It’s hard for people to change but it can happen, sometimes they just need a little help along the way.
I suppose what I’m saying is: bad environment + bad brain chemistry = negative mindset that will manifest itself one way or another, and as part of a person like that’s environment you can either be a positive (or possibly THE positive) thing in that persons life, or just another piece to their horribly skewed perception.
I hope you’re all just acting tough and you wouldn’t be a dick to someone who’s depressed/suicidal because that’s what it sounds like some of you think is acceptable.
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
You guys who think suicide is selfish are awesome! Big thumbs up at being win at life! You’re right, people who kill themselves are selfish pussies, I’m sure you’d never do it if you were in their mental state! Keep rockin on!
hahaha[/quote]
I can’t believe I rejoined to post on this topic but you are just wrong, trav.
As someone with experience with mental illness and suicide, I absolutely believe it is selfish and weak.
I cant think of a more selfish thing to do than to torture everyone that cares about you because your situation is “so hopeless.” Parents are not meant to outlive their children, and to do such a horrible thing to them so you can get away from some problem (whether real or perceived) is the ultimate fuggin act of selfishness. Putting your feelings above others is selfish. Life is tough, get a helmet.
It is also weak and cowardly- it is the ultimate act of hiding from your problems. Sack up and deal.[/quote]
Honestly I agree with you, but at the same time that’s because I’ve had enough positive people in my life to toughen me up to the point where I would at least not do that to myself. But I also believe that not everyone has anyone or any positive influence whatsoever in their life. Attention seeking or serious those people need help to take control of their lives, if you’re really as tough and selfless as you say you are you would realize that. It’s hard for people to change but it can happen, sometimes they just need a little help along the way.
I suppose what I’m saying is: bad environment + bad brain chemistry = negative mindset that will manifest itself one way or another, and as part of a person like that’s environment you can either be a positive (or possibly THE positive) thing in that persons life, or just another piece to their horribly skewed perception.
I hope you’re all just acting tough and you wouldn’t be a dick to someone who’s depressed/suicidal because that’s what it sounds like some of you think is acceptable.[/quote]
I absolutely realize not everyone was as lucky in the family department as I. I am blessed in every sense of the word to have such a fantastic support system. But there are people that specialize in providing support in situations like depression/suicide, from psychologists to the church for those that arent so lucky. But that is not the point.
I would never tell someone I had any inkling of being sick or contemplating such things to sack up, I am not heartless. A situation like that requires hugs and kind words.
[quote]lnname wrote:
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And have any of you considered that people on here might have a loved one that commited suicide, all while having to hear what a coward this person might have been?
My close friend’s mother commited suicide. So did one of my acquaintance’s mother.
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Mine too.
The more I see of responses like the ones in this thread and others in the past, the less I want to be associated with or participate on these forums.
Then I take a step back and realize that this is the internet. Home of the hardest of the hard core, smartest of the smart, and the most resilient keyboard warriors in history.
There is no need to school them on anything. They know it all, have done it all, and are true masters of their keyboard world.
Thats life in virtual reality. No need to bring the real world into it.
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Exactly. You have to realise that, in a year’s time, most of these guys will have threads like “I did the right thing and avoided the fight so why do I feel like a pussy?”.[/quote]
My housemate at uni killed herself a couple of years back. If you’ve never dealt with a situation like that, or been close to someone whose done it then you should shut up. [/quote]
Umm… I have.
What exactly is your problem with my post?
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
^You need help[/quote]
If you want to help me you can cup the balls, I guess.[/quote]
Relax, I was trying to make a joke. Obviously I’ve failed miserably; guess I’ll take myself out to the woodshed and end it all.[/quote]
Remember, it’s down the street, not across the road.
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
^You need help[/quote]
If you want to help me you can cup the balls, I guess.[/quote]
Relax, I was trying to make a joke. Obviously I’ve failed miserably; guess I’ll take myself out to the woodshed and end it all.[/quote]
Remember, it’s down the street, not across the road.[/quote]
If I’m gonna leave a mess, it’ll have to be a big one. I’m thinking jumping out of a plane with fireworks and a grenade.
Whenever the subject of suicide comes up
I apply the Nike motto:
“Just Do It”
As someone who was suicidal, it did seem like the only answer. The thing that kept me going was the effect it would have on my parents. They were older when I was born (40-ish) and knew that they would not be able to have more kids if I died. My death would devastate them. I could never do that to my parents. Now that I’m an adult, have found the love of my life, I am extremely happy that I never succeeded.
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
"Every suicide story I’ve experienced or read about sounded pathetic. A friend of mine had a girlfriend that killed herself over a shitty social life. Another jumped out of his window because of debt. Some guy in the paper killed himself and his retarded kid because his business was failing. "
Did you ever happen to think that some people suffer from extremely poor coping skills and/or mental illness?![/quote]
Yes of course. Having “poor coping skills” and jumping in front of a train makes you a coward. Having a mental illness means you are unfortunate. My beef is with people who are healthy (sorry if I didn’t make that clear).
This is an internet forum, and I’m voicing an opinion, not trying to pass it off as FACT, which I would need either formal training or experience to do.
[quote]And have any of you considered that people on here might have a loved one that commited suicide, all while having to hear what a coward this person might have been?
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Of course, doesn’t change my opinion. Everyone that commits suicide knew someone else. They all had families, why not on this board.
Also, no I never had a loved one that committed suicide. I’ve had friends that have and it hasn’t changed my opinion of it. If my own brother decided to off himself I would feel deep regret for not being able to help him, but I would still think he took the coward’s way out.
Just because someone out there has an opinion on a subject that differs from your own, does not mean it is unfounded in the real world. I do not, as an atheist, challenge my friends’ motives for being Christian, Hindus and Muslims, and proceed to belittle their opinions on faith. They probably have good reason to think what they do. Get of your high horse.
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Man, every response you made, and your “cowards way out” and “i wouldnt change my opinion” shit REEKS of bullshit and ignorance. How do you know that your brothers hypothetical suicide wouldnt change your mind? I’f you’ve never been through something, you can’t really know how you will react, especially something as traumatic as the suicide of a loved one.
This hardcore “macho” attitude is the same ignorant attitude those bullies have. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
[quote]7thSonofa7thSon wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
"Every suicide story I’ve experienced or read about sounded pathetic. A friend of mine had a girlfriend that killed herself over a shitty social life. Another jumped out of his window because of debt. Some guy in the paper killed himself and his retarded kid because his business was failing. "
Did you ever happen to think that some people suffer from extremely poor coping skills and/or mental illness?![/quote]
Yes of course. Having “poor coping skills” and jumping in front of a train makes you a coward. Having a mental illness means you are unfortunate. My beef is with people who are healthy (sorry if I didn’t make that clear).
This is an internet forum, and I’m voicing an opinion, not trying to pass it off as FACT, which I would need either formal training or experience to do.
[quote]And have any of you considered that people on here might have a loved one that commited suicide, all while having to hear what a coward this person might have been?
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Of course, doesn’t change my opinion. Everyone that commits suicide knew someone else. They all had families, why not on this board.
Also, no I never had a loved one that committed suicide. I’ve had friends that have and it hasn’t changed my opinion of it. If my own brother decided to off himself I would feel deep regret for not being able to help him, but I would still think he took the coward’s way out.
Just because someone out there has an opinion on a subject that differs from your own, does not mean it is unfounded in the real world. I do not, as an atheist, challenge my friends’ motives for being Christian, Hindus and Muslims, and proceed to belittle their opinions on faith. They probably have good reason to think what they do. Get of your high horse.
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Man, every response you made, and your “cowards way out” and “i wouldnt change my opinion” shit REEKS of bullshit and ignorance. How do you know that your brothers hypothetical suicide wouldnt change your mind? I’f you’ve never been through something, you can’t really know how you will react, especially something as traumatic as the suicide of a loved one.
This hardcore “macho” attitude is the same ignorant attitude those bullies have. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.[/quote]
Suicidal Horse.
Edit - That’s a good band name.
do it.
Hey Kerley! Am I wrong or have you been absent for a while???
Having read this thread I’m not surprised that there is the usual ignorant view of suicide; “I knew someone who committed suicide therefore I understand how it feels…” or “people just need to pull themselves together…” or the generic “people who commit suicide are just selfish”.
I admit there is a worrying modern phenomenon of young people jumping straight to the thought of suicide (and more worryingly actually carrying it out) when life becomes tough, but, what really annoys me is when people apply their experience of life to what truly suicidal people experience; when mental illness has taken over, rational thought does not apply. Suicide isn’t a case of sitting ticking off the pros and cons of your life and killing yourself as a result of cons outweighing the pros; it’s a situation of such agitation, rage, anxiety and intense despair that death is the only option that will take it away at that given time. As someone who has been there many times, the thought of how terribly your suicide will affect you family and friends is not something that is over-looked, and hence make you selfish; it is something that makes you feel even worse and often adds to the despair. If you can’t understand that, then you shouldn’t be passing judgement on people who have experienced such intense negative emotion that killing themselves seems he only way to make it stop.
Suicide has always been, and will ever remain, the coward’s way out. End of story.
[quote]ickabodd wrote:
Suicide has always been, and will ever remain, the coward’s way out. End of story.[/quote]
What about Erwin Rommel? The Desert Fox was presented with the choice of committing suicide and retaining his dignity and respect, or deny his involvement with the Hitler assassination, stand a mock trial, and be executed in utter disgrace. It also resulted in his family retaining their honor and state support. Was HE a coward for choosing suicide?