[quote]KSman wrote:
[quote]Vardas wrote:
[quote]KSman wrote:
Same for SERM. [/quote]
So your recommendation is that SERM (Nolvadex) must be used 20 mg of ED throughout the cycle until the end of the PCT?
Sorry, I do not want to be boring … just really interested in your opinion
Cheerful greetings[/quote]
Exactly. If you do not allow the testes to shutdown and shrink, then you do not need to recover form and function during PCT. At that point you transition the testes back to your own natural LH. So PCT then is about tapering off of the SERM and the testes have LH all of the time. You do not want your LH levels dropping * during the transition because that is the wring signal and you use a little anastrozole to ensure that estrogen rebound does not crash the party.
- by using low doses of SERM, LH will not be excessive and LH level disruption during PCT is reduced. 20mg EOD may be more than enough!
Idealy, one would test LH/FSH during the cycle and might know baseline levels too. But very few will do that.[/quote]
i have never heard of anybody actually getting the SERM to work on cycle…
SERMs work by a false negative feedback mechanism, making the body think there’s low estrogen, so you increase LH/FSH to increase testosterone so it can aromatize into estrogen. however, if you already have a high testosterone level from taking AAS, then the body will have that feedback mechanism triggered as well, which will prevent any increase in LH and FSH.
if anybody has any proof otherwise, feel free to share it, but i thought this had been debunked years ago…
i mean really, if this actually worked, then all you would need to do is take a SERM on cycle, and then once the cycle is done, stop taking both. but it doesn’t work like that, at all…
here’s a link to an old discussion here about this: Why Not SERM on Cycle (w/hcg)? - Pharma - Forums - T Nation