'Another one who came up, alone, glared at him for several long minutes. “You white motherfucking devil,” he muttered. “You evil white grafted-snake motherfucking devil.”
Still another smiled coldly at him and said, “I got something for you, honky.” He took out his penis and urinated all over the bound man’s stomach and crotch.’
etc
I guess you know the rest. Uptight honkys is all.
[/quote]Look man. I’m not defending the use of ANY racial term. What this story shows is that evil people use that word. They also used “I’ve” “got” “something” “and” “for” and “you”. All I’M saying at least is that the two do not share comparable histories. I hope nobody calls anybody either.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You playing dumb now? I’m saying I disagree with this:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
There’s a HYUGE difference in these two terms, as the entire intelligent world seems to know.
Honky? Honky aint shit.
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If I was to be playing dumb, it would be in an effort to understand your nonsensical posts.
Now you’re just getting desperate. You think that by posting this, you somehow shore up your shitty argument that the two terms are even close to comparable? I think not, my argument still stands.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I was about to type out a semi long post, but for emotional reasons, you probably wouldn’t get it - so I’ll keep it short and simple
(God I hate doing that - truly - I’m not making fun of you, not with THAT anyway)
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Push and Sloth are the people here trying to place “honkey” and “nigger” on the same level. [/quote]
Where did Sloth do that? If you’re to dumb to follow your own conversation - don’t be mad at me for jumping in to help you out.
(yep - I’m making fun of you this time. As a human being it’s only natural for me to want to defend my honor…)
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote: smh White man can defend his honor too, no?
(yes I read you. I know you’re white. That’s actually the bigger issue here - because it’s irrelevant)[/quote]
Yes, maybe you’re right; us honkeys need to rally ourselves, and fight off the oppression of such ugly and viscous vernacular! YEA!! Maybe you could bring me up to speed at the next clan meeting. /sarcasm [/quote]
hahaahah
Is that really what you read there? As I said, the double standard in political correctness runs deepdeepdeep
(and PLEASE don’t try and point out to me your sarcasm. I saw it. That’s really the point.)
Why do you hold your fellow white man to a higher standard? You’re not doing anyone any favors. Yet again I say it - if you repeatedly offend someone like that - you don’t GET a proper response.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Broke it, you mean. Call me a racial epithet again, and I’ll slap you on ignore. If you don’t care, we’ll both have be better off. I don’t spend my time with vulgar people. Not one friend that I keep uses that kind of language with me. Not with any race, including my own. I don’t think it’s funny when a sitcom comedian does it, or when you do it. “Just a joke,” or not. Fix yourself, before worrying about me. [/quote]
Ya see that? Sloth holds everyone to the same standard. He’s no hypocrite. As he said - fix yourself, before worrying about me.[/quote]
I’ll give you a chance to reflect on and edit your shit stupid post, as this is getting embarrassing for you.
I’ll also say this one more time for you, the two terms that are being discussed are not even close to being comparable as far as “racial slurs” go. When you speak of “defending your honor”, are you talking about defending your “racial honor” against the so called slur of honkey? Cuz I’ve known some skinheads in my day, and they used to talk about defending their “white honor” all the time. Think about that.
Do you think that being called honkey is such a racial slur, that you feel the need to defend your honor" from it?
Look man. I’m not defending the use of ANY racial term. What this story shows is that evil people use that word. They also used “I’ve” “got” “something” “and” “for” and “you”.
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Exactly. What’s in a word?
True. And today a sizable proportion of the black population call themselves niggers. That’s the new history of the word.
I couldn’t care less. It’s the intention behind the use that counts not the word. But if the left want to play this game I’ll play too. So, I find “honky” to be an extremely offensive word - utterly degrading. Except if white people use it of course. Anyone else who uses it is a “racist” no matter how or why they used it.
I won’t stoop to revisionist history as does the left though. But I’ll play their little game.
From an article about the difference between ‘honky’ and ‘nigger:’
No. Not the word ‘honky.’ I have been severely bashed by a gang of Lebanese and also bashed on a different occasion by a gang of Pacific Islanders. On both occasions ethnic/religious slurs were used - ‘white boy,’ ‘skip’ etc. I have also been assaulted by aborigines. Of course, as a white person I am not covered by ‘anti-discrimination laws’ and if I had reported these crimes to the police they would not have been listed as hate crimes.
No it doesn’t. Does the word ‘nigger’ conjure up those images when black people use the word? Why would so many of them use the word with such frequency if it conjured up images of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade?
EDIT: If a black person is walking down the street and they hear the word ‘nigger’ used are they likely to feel fear and imagine scenes of the Trans-Atlantic slavetrade? Or are they more likely to well up with righteous indignation until they turn around and see it’s a black person saying it?
Alright I see your point more clearly now. I hate that word. I just do. The people dearest to me in this world apart from my wife and children are black. I do not like it.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Alright I see your point more clearly now. I hate that word. I just do. The people dearest to me in this world apart from my wife and children are black. I do not like it.[/quote]
Neither do I tirib. Especially if someone uses it in a hateful way.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Alright I see your point more clearly now. I hate that word. I just do. The people dearest to me in this world apart from my wife and children are black. I do not like it.[/quote]
Neither do I tirib. Especially if someone uses it in a hateful way.[/quote]Of course. What’s funny though is that in jest I wouldn’t mind if they called me honky. LOL!! I know them. I would just know how they meant it in the very unlikely event that they said that to me. We do joke around a bit. Last week I had a black suit on and walked up to three of my friends in this little group who were talking who all had brown ones. One guy who is one of my closest brothers kinda tilts his head toward me with a little joking sneer and says “he never did get the brown memos around here did he?” and laughs. So did I.
I have spent lotsa time in prayer with this man. I just don’t know how he could offend me. I would never take anything he said to me that way.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I’ll give you a chance to reflect on and edit your shit stupid post, as this is getting embarrassing for you. [/quote]
No, why don’t you go back and comment on what I wrote instead of what your warped mind read into it.
In the mean time - I’ll break it down further for you
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Cuz I’ve known some skinheads in my day, [/quote]
Not surprising. I was beginning to suspect that you had some sort of history with something. Acting far to irrational for it to be just regular old “double standard in political correctness”
What happened, they pick on you?
For not being “tough enough” on the “evil” minorities or something?
Whatever they did (to you or others) I assume it damaged you pretty badly in order for you to read into my posts like that. Try and separate me from them for a second… I wouldn’t have much in common with them anyways. Your assumption that I do is slightly comical, except it’s also kind of serious
ME personally? I couldn’t care less. But others are “allowed” to take offense to it. And when they do, not once, not twice, but thrice - THEN I take offense to it. Not in any sort of white supremacist kind of way - just as a regular old human being
Not once, not twice, but thrice I say it - if you repeatedly offend someone like that - you don’t GET a proper response. If you pay a little more attention this time, you might realize that this (to me anyway) has nothing to do with race
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Of course. What’s funny though is that in jest I wouldn’t mind if they called me honky. LOL!! [/quote]
I wouldn’t mind either. It’s the intent behind the word that’s important.[/quote]Ok, but here’s the thing. Would it be the same if I called them nigger? It’s unsettling to me even thinking hypothetically about it. Of course that’s a double standard, but it’s there and it’s not necessarily a terrible thing in itself.
I don’t know that any double standard is a good thing but I would say that I would not drop the n bomb if I thought it would upset someone or cause a misunderstanding - I can see why it mostly would but there is a difference between saying something in bad taste and hate.
Tirib, can you tell me what you think about this description of John Calvin’s Geneva? In relation to the U.S. constitution, theocracy etc
Calvin "took for granted that the Church should have an interpretive authority…and a single, unified faith. Calvin’s first request to the city council(of Geneva) was to impose a common confession of faith(written by Calvin) and to force all citizens to affirm it. He also established 'the Consistory - a sort of ecclesiastical court - to judge the moral and theological purity of his parishioners. He also persuaded the council to enforce a set of “Ecclesiastical Ordinances” that defined the authority of the Church, stated the religious obligations of the laity, and imposed an official liturgy. Church attendance was mandatory. Contradicting the ministers was outlawed as blasphemy. Calvin?s Institutes would eventually be declared official doctrine.
According to historian William Monter, one in fifteen citizens was summoned before the Consistory between 1559 and 1569, and up to one in twenty five was actually excommunicated. Calvin used this power to enforce his single vision of Christianity and to punish dissent."
That was a different time with different challenges to overcome that Calvin erroneously attempted to tackle with an inordinate wielding of the force of the magistrate. He of all people should have known better. That doesn’t mean he was totally wrong in that area either though. God never fails to remind the saints that NO earthly manifestation of His kingdom in the church, in this life, in this age will EVER produce infallibility.
The bigger the attempt? The bigger the failure. Hence Roman Catholicism. I know about Anders btw. He’s not alone and his story establishes no more by itself than the multitudes of converts from Catholicism to Calvinism. Or to and or from anything else. Richard Bennett Sermons | SermonAudio
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I’ll give you a chance to reflect on and edit your shit stupid post, as this is getting embarrassing for you. [/quote]
No, why don’t you go back and comment on what I wrote instead of what your warped mind read into it.
In the mean time - I’ll break it down further for you[/quote]
If you’re upset because I don’t respond to your ridiculous posts with warm flattering tones, tough shit. I throw around “honkey” because I find the term to be funny; having none of the baggage that dropping the N bomb does. Don’t like that? Again…tough shit.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Cuz I’ve known some skinheads in my day, [/quote]
Not surprising. I was beginning to suspect that you had some sort of history with something. Acting far to irrational for it to be just regular old “double standard in political correctness”
What happened, they pick on you?
For not being “tough enough” on the “evil” minorities or something?
Whatever they did (to you or others) I assume it damaged you pretty badly in order for you to read into my posts like that. Try and separate me from them for a second… I wouldn’t have much in common with them anyways. Your assumption that I do is slightly comical, except it’s also kind of serious[/quote]
I grew up in the sort of neighborhood where some of your childhood friends can become skinheads; just the reality of where I grew up. Truth is, your comments had some of the same overtones as their rants about defending their “honor”.
No, I was never “picked on” by them, even if they did give me grief about having minority friends. I never really worried about them though, as they were a small clique of confused honkeys angry about having a shitty home life.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Do you think that being called honkey is such a racial slur, that you feel the need to defend your honor" from it?
[/quote] ME personally? I couldn’t care less. But others are “allowed” to take offense to it. And when they do, not once, not twice, but thrice - THEN I take offense to it. Not in any sort of white supremacist kind of way - just as a regular old human being
Not once, not twice, but thrice I say it - if you repeatedly offend someone like that - you don’t GET a proper response. If you pay a little more attention this time, you might realize that this (to me anyway) has nothing to do with race[/quote]
Yea, it’s cute the way you want to run to the defense of poor old Sloth and Push. And yes, I did intentionally call him a honkey on multiple occasions. Yes I did it intentionally, and yes I did it to get a rise out of him. I did it because only uptight honkeys get that upset over being called “honkey”.
I’ll break it down even further for you. If being called honkey prompts you to put someone on ignore, then you are in fact super duper uptight. They made my case for me.
Try this and let me know what happens; next time you’re in a crowded place, like say…the mall, drop both of those terms separately but repeatedly, and record the reactions of the people around you. Let me know what your results are. After that we can discuss which term carried more weight.
I throw around “honkey” because I find the term to be funny;
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How so?
According to the The New York Swines “in 1988, there were approximately 2000 neo-Nazi skinheads in the US.”
Why?
You don’t like ‘uptight’ white people then is that it? You like to get a rise out of them? Why do you like getting a rise out of ‘uptight’ white people? In my life experience I have consistently observed minorities/liberals get ‘uptight’ over the most ridiculous shit imaginable - often in furtherance of suppressing dissent/free speech, imposing draconian and discriminatory laws, freeing criminals from detention centres/prison, perverting the course of justice, imposing a system of invasion under the guise of immigration etc
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Try this and let me know what happens; next time you’re in a crowded place, like say…the mall, drop both of those terms separately but repeatedly, and record the reactions of the people around you. [/quote]
So now you’re recommending I go around dropping N-bombs…
That’s never what I was discussing.
I started and now I finish with calling you a hypocrite
hahaahah