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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
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Began listening to the one on the Reformation and WWII. Some of the worst historical revisionism I’ve come across. Really turned me off.[/quote]Very well could be. I have never heard that one. In what way? His testimony is very instructive though. Testimony of Richard Bennett, Former Roman Catholic Priest, Now A Christian By The Matchless Free Grace Of The Lord Jesus Christ | SermonAudio
I don’t think Sparky and the bear disagree nearly as much as they think they do. =]
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In what way?[/quote]
Where to start? I’ll just stick to one point where I know a bit. It’s an interview/discussion and amongst other things the claim is made that Nazism developed out of Catholicism. The effort to link Nazism and Catholicism is unceasing. I know all about Pious XII, clerical involvement in fascism, the Ustase etc incidents which he distorts. He makes no mention of things like the fact that the NSDAP strongholds in the early 30’s were in Protestant areas(would not have been elected without them,) the Protestant Reich Church, Nazi Protestant theologians like Gerhard Kittel, Paul Althaus, and Emanual Hirsch - not a single mention of any Catholic clergy who opposed Nazism or fascism -
“It was Luther, we must understand, who began to Germanise Christianity; National Socialism must complete the process.” -Alfred Rosenberg(considered one of the main authors of key Nazi ideological creeds)
“I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later - once we hold power - Christianity will be overcome and the German Church established. Yes, the German church, without a Pope and without the bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.” Luther was a “great reformer” - Adolf Hitler
“When the people asked why the German people have never shown any sign of revolt against Hitler and his gang, I have usually referred my questioners to Luther, who was the first to say that even against the most unjust ruler the people have never a right to revolt.” - Peter F Reiner
“We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them.” - Martin Luther
Of the 21 Nazis tried as war criminals at Nuremberg 16 indicated they were “Protestant.”
And on the reformation, he says that Ignatius’ "primary tactic was to train the Jesuits in very many skills and professions, and their intent was to primarily convert the children of bible believers back to Catholicism. Their primary focus was the children just like the great famous dictators of history - Lenin, Stalin, Hitler on and on - they’re on record as saying “give me the children and I will own the society.” And that’s what the Jesuits wanted to do. To get the children.’
He then goes on to warn listeners about letting their kids attend a Catholic private schools - "that was their successful tactic then. And the same is still true today. Many people, were and still are won over to Catholicism through parents sending their children to private Catholic schools and universities…We have the case today, many fine bible fearing Protestant parents will send their children to a Catholic school…See the Jesuits’ intention, then and now, is to indoctrinate populations. They accomplish this not so much by overtly teaching Catholic doctrine but they interpret through their school systems every subject matter from an underlying doctrinal viewpoint that is standard Roman Catholicism. It’s always the Catholic viewpoint that is predominantly promoted in these schools even in our day of so called ‘dialogue’ with Catholics - some Protestants have fallen into that trap…bible believers have absolutely no business sending their children to Catholic institutions, absolutely no business!’
It goes on like this. Very biased and entirely one-sided as well as trying to draw a direct line that goes - Counter-reformation to Catholic Nazism to Jesuits still indoctrinating our children like the Nazis etc
Althaus, Hirsch and Kittel, not to mention a host of others among whom were Paul Tillich, Reinhold Niebuhr, Emil Brunner and especially Rudolf Bultmann, were one and all flaming theological liberals viewed as modernist heretics by the evangelical orthodox church. Dig some more. You’ll find two things. One, these men were protestant or actually Christian at all in name only.
Two? Their views were co opted by large segments of Roman Catholic scholarship right at the time leading up to the war. Listen to Bennet’s testimony. Seriously. He will tell you what RCC schools he was in and how they studied Aristotle and the alleged protestant German demythologizing redactionists for literally years even still a generation n change later.
Couple more things. Luther was an anti-semite. No doubt about it, but he would have chosen burning at Worms before ever embracing Naziism regardless of how anti semitic he was. Also, I never did buy that Hitler built the Reich on the shoulders of Rome though there was a bit more cooperation a bit further up than many would care to face which is still not the same thing as saying that the RCC is a Nazi organization. I reject that.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Althaus, Hirsch and Kittel, not to mention a host of others among whom were Paul Tillich, Reinhold Niebuhr, Emil Brunner and especially Rudolf Bultmann, were one and all flaming theological liberals viewed as modernist heretics by the evangelical orthodox church.
Dig some more. You’ll find two things. One, these men were protestant or actually Christian at all in name only. Two? Their views were co opted by large segments of Roman Catholic scholarship right at the time leading up to the war. Listen to Bennet’s testimony. Seriously. He will tell you what RCC schools he was in and how they studied Aristotle and the alleged protestant German demythologizing redactionists for literally years even still a generation n change later.
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It’s Bennett interviewing someone else, agreeing with him and adding a few things of his own. What was said about Ustase was entirely one-sided. He describes it as a movement with entirely clerical origins and fails fails to mention dissenting clergy nor describe the relationship between the clergy and the Ustase. Doesn’t mention anything about the origins of the Ustase, Croation nationalism, the Habsburgs/WWI, Ante Starvevic.
What he says about the Holy Roman Empire would leave the listener believing that in 1798 it was still the main political if not military force on the continent.
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Couple more things. Luther was an anti-semite. No doubt about it, but he would have chosen burning at Worms before ever embracing Naziism regardless of how anti semitic he was. Also, I never did buy that Hitler built the Reich on the shoulders of Rome though there was a bit more cooperation a bit further up than many would care to face which is still not the same thing as saying that the RCC is a Nazi organization. I reject that.[/quote]
That wasn’t exactly said but it’s the general sort of impression that you are left with - I gave an example. That doesn’t alter whether or not I would agree with him on any particular scriptural interpretation however.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:<<< That doesn’t alter whether or not I would agree with him on any particular scriptural interpretation however.[/quote]are you talkin about Luther here?
No, sorry didn’t make myself clear. I meant Bennett.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:<<< No, sorry didn’t make myself clear. I meant Bennett.[/quote]What I’ve caught in his contrasting his life in the priesthood with what he found in the bible is solid. I’ve never actually heard him preach a sermon, but from I have heard, he and I would agree right down the line assuming he’s consistent.
For the record, I do not like it when people go overboard in their condemnation of anything actually. I’ve made no secret of my hatred for the RCC, but there’s plenty that is undeniably factual to point to there to have to make every bishop and every priest be behind every evil in the world
[quote]pushharder wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:For the record, I do not like it when people go overboard in their condemnation of anything actually…[/quote]LOL[/quote] Is this what we can expect from you from now on? Stop bein such pouting little weenie boy and read my PM’s will ya.
Stop bein such a pouting prattling little weenie boy and read my PM’s. Will ya please? They’re really short. I’m not gonna throw some childish demand to not PM you in your face if you do.