Thoughts on Handstand Pushups?

[NikH]

[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
Thoughts on Handstand pushups?

Here’s a video of Klokov doing them

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I thought they were great when I started working out LONG time ago. Also, they were nice on doing negatives, but it wasn’t until few years later I learnt of Olympic jerk that serves same purpose if you don’t drop the barbell after jerking, but bring it slowly to your chest (mind your posture).

After pressing more than bw however, they weren’t THAT useful anymore.

But I don’t do them much anymore, unless I want a quick pump in my shoulders for some reason…

[Typhoon]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]lboro21 wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not to be a stickler, but those aren’t handstand pushups. Those are assisted handstand pushups. Doesn’t seem like much, but the difference is huge. Also, if they ever remake Rocky 4 Klokov should play Drago.[/quote]

The handstand is assisted, but the pushup is certainly not. His legs are not providing any force to help him push up. Actually the legs touching the wall is making it even make it harder, since the wall has friction and the legs hitting the wall would prevent the movement to the push up direction, hence a bigger force is needed.

Fpushup=mg+Ffriction[/quote]

doing them against the wall is 10 times easier. its nothing to do with friction, its the fact that the body is a hell of a lot more stable than in a ‘free’ hand stand.

lets say you can squat 200lbs for 5 reps… i’ll be damned if you can do that whilst standing on an upturned bosu ball!

just fyi friction is a coefficient and can’t be ‘added’ to force! :P[/quote]

Ffriction= force friction which comes when u use the coefficient u times the force your legs are pushing the wall.

With “harder” you mean that the person needs to have more balancing skills, it is not the same however as the output on your shoulder muscles and triceps.

It’s like saying lifting a 100lbs dumbbell requires more force than a 100lbs barbell, which is not true.[/quote]

Dude, literally everyone else here has acknowledged that using the wall makes the exercise considerably easier. Let it go.
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Actually I said feet to the wall do NOT make the exercise considerably easier, it is simply a matter of balance. And I’d like to at least think I know what I am talking about, being a gymnastics coach as well as having the ability to do freestanding parallel bar handstand pushups. I’d have to say I agree with NikH.

[WhiteFlash]

[quote]Typhoon wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]lboro21 wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not to be a stickler, but those aren’t handstand pushups. Those are assisted handstand pushups. Doesn’t seem like much, but the difference is huge. Also, if they ever remake Rocky 4 Klokov should play Drago.[/quote]

The handstand is assisted, but the pushup is certainly not. His legs are not providing any force to help him push up. Actually the legs touching the wall is making it even make it harder, since the wall has friction and the legs hitting the wall would prevent the movement to the push up direction, hence a bigger force is needed.

Fpushup=mg+Ffriction[/quote]

doing them against the wall is 10 times easier. its nothing to do with friction, its the fact that the body is a hell of a lot more stable than in a ‘free’ hand stand.

lets say you can squat 200lbs for 5 reps… i’ll be damned if you can do that whilst standing on an upturned bosu ball!

just fyi friction is a coefficient and can’t be ‘added’ to force! :P[/quote]

Ffriction= force friction which comes when u use the coefficient u times the force your legs are pushing the wall.

With “harder” you mean that the person needs to have more balancing skills, it is not the same however as the output on your shoulder muscles and triceps.

It’s like saying lifting a 100lbs dumbbell requires more force than a 100lbs barbell, which is not true.[/quote]

Dude, literally everyone else here has acknowledged that using the wall makes the exercise considerably easier. Let it go.
[/quote]

Actually I said feet to the wall do NOT make the exercise considerably easier, it is simply a matter of balance. And I’d like to at least think I know what I am talking about, being a gymnastics coach as well as having the ability to do freestanding parallel bar handstand pushups. I’d have to say I agree with NikH. [/quote]

You literally said that free standing is harder than using the wall, and now you’re saying you agree with the guy who posts clever pictures. Right on.

[mutantcolors]

The balance is harder without the wall. The force required to press yourself upward is greater with the friction of your feet against the wall.

I have no idea why people can’t understand this, especially after the diagram.

[Typhoon]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Typhoon wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]lboro21 wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not to be a stickler, but those aren’t handstand pushups. Those are assisted handstand pushups. Doesn’t seem like much, but the difference is huge. Also, if they ever remake Rocky 4 Klokov should play Drago.[/quote]

The handstand is assisted, but the pushup is certainly not. His legs are not providing any force to help him push up. Actually the legs touching the wall is making it even make it harder, since the wall has friction and the legs hitting the wall would prevent the movement to the push up direction, hence a bigger force is needed.

Fpushup=mg+Ffriction[/quote]

doing them against the wall is 10 times easier. its nothing to do with friction, its the fact that the body is a hell of a lot more stable than in a ‘free’ hand stand.

lets say you can squat 200lbs for 5 reps… i’ll be damned if you can do that whilst standing on an upturned bosu ball!

just fyi friction is a coefficient and can’t be ‘added’ to force! :P[/quote]

Ffriction= force friction which comes when u use the coefficient u times the force your legs are pushing the wall.

With “harder” you mean that the person needs to have more balancing skills, it is not the same however as the output on your shoulder muscles and triceps.

It’s like saying lifting a 100lbs dumbbell requires more force than a 100lbs barbell, which is not true.[/quote]

Dude, literally everyone else here has acknowledged that using the wall makes the exercise considerably easier. Let it go.
[/quote]

Actually I said feet to the wall do NOT make the exercise considerably easier, it is simply a matter of balance. And I’d like to at least think I know what I am talking about, being a gymnastics coach as well as having the ability to do freestanding parallel bar handstand pushups. I’d have to say I agree with NikH. [/quote]

You literally said that free standing is harder than using the wall, and now you’re saying you agree with the guy who posts clever pictures. Right on.
[/quote]

I said it is a BIT harder due to the balance requirement, you are saying it is 10x harder which I said in my original post is incorrect. Read more carefully before you speak for other people next time.

I am agreeing with the guy because he is correct, this assessment is based on my own experience with the skill through training others to do it as well as myself. He himself has also mentioned experience with the skill. So far all I see from you is speculation. Can you do a freestanding handstand pushup? feet against the wall handstand pushups (full range of motion)? A freestanding headstands pushup (head touches the floor)? Do you have experience training a significant amount of people to accomplish this? If not, then you are at best just reiterating information you heard from some random source or are taking the liberty of calling something you pulled out of thin air a fact.

[dlee34]

lol started reading this like 12 hours ago and this argument is still going on

[WhiteFlash]

[quote]Typhoon wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Typhoon wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]lboro21 wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not to be a stickler, but those aren’t handstand pushups. Those are assisted handstand pushups. Doesn’t seem like much, but the difference is huge. Also, if they ever remake Rocky 4 Klokov should play Drago.[/quote]

The handstand is assisted, but the pushup is certainly not. His legs are not providing any force to help him push up. Actually the legs touching the wall is making it even make it harder, since the wall has friction and the legs hitting the wall would prevent the movement to the push up direction, hence a bigger force is needed.

Fpushup=mg+Ffriction[/quote]

doing them against the wall is 10 times easier. its nothing to do with friction, its the fact that the body is a hell of a lot more stable than in a ‘free’ hand stand.

lets say you can squat 200lbs for 5 reps… i’ll be damned if you can do that whilst standing on an upturned bosu ball!

just fyi friction is a coefficient and can’t be ‘added’ to force! :P[/quote]

Ffriction= force friction which comes when u use the coefficient u times the force your legs are pushing the wall.

With “harder” you mean that the person needs to have more balancing skills, it is not the same however as the output on your shoulder muscles and triceps.

It’s like saying lifting a 100lbs dumbbell requires more force than a 100lbs barbell, which is not true.[/quote]

Dude, literally everyone else here has acknowledged that using the wall makes the exercise considerably easier. Let it go.
[/quote]

Actually I said feet to the wall do NOT make the exercise considerably easier, it is simply a matter of balance. And I’d like to at least think I know what I am talking about, being a gymnastics coach as well as having the ability to do freestanding parallel bar handstand pushups. I’d have to say I agree with NikH. [/quote]

You literally said that free standing is harder than using the wall, and now you’re saying you agree with the guy who posts clever pictures. Right on.
[/quote]

I said it is a BIT harder due to the balance requirement, you are saying it is 10x harder which I said in my original post is incorrect. Read more carefully before you speak for other people next time.

I am agreeing with the guy because he is correct, this assessment is based on my own experience with the skill through training others to do it as well as myself. He himself has also mentioned experience with the skill. So far all I see from you is speculation. Can you do a freestanding handstand pushup? feet against the wall handstand pushups (full range of motion)? A freestanding headstands pushup (head touches the floor)? Do you have experience training a significant amount of people to accomplish this? If not, then you are at best just reiterating information you heard from some random source or are taking the liberty of calling something you pulled out of thin air a fact. [/quote]

Actually, I never once said anything about it being 10x more difficult. That was someone else. Maybe you should read more carefully instead of speaking for someone else.

And yes, I can do all of those variations. If I’m at an angle with my feet against the wall doing the handstand pushup is considerably easier. The slant of the angle, going shoeless, etc… all contribute to the movements relative difficulty.

[Typhoon]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Typhoon wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Typhoon wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]lboro21 wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not to be a stickler, but those aren’t handstand pushups. Those are assisted handstand pushups. Doesn’t seem like much, but the difference is huge. Also, if they ever remake Rocky 4 Klokov should play Drago.[/quote]

The handstand is assisted, but the pushup is certainly not. His legs are not providing any force to help him push up. Actually the legs touching the wall is making it even make it harder, since the wall has friction and the legs hitting the wall would prevent the movement to the push up direction, hence a bigger force is needed.

Fpushup=mg+Ffriction[/quote]

doing them against the wall is 10 times easier. its nothing to do with friction, its the fact that the body is a hell of a lot more stable than in a ‘free’ hand stand.

lets say you can squat 200lbs for 5 reps… i’ll be damned if you can do that whilst standing on an upturned bosu ball!

just fyi friction is a coefficient and can’t be ‘added’ to force! :P[/quote]

Ffriction= force friction which comes when u use the coefficient u times the force your legs are pushing the wall.

With “harder” you mean that the person needs to have more balancing skills, it is not the same however as the output on your shoulder muscles and triceps.

It’s like saying lifting a 100lbs dumbbell requires more force than a 100lbs barbell, which is not true.[/quote]

Dude, literally everyone else here has acknowledged that using the wall makes the exercise considerably easier. Let it go.
[/quote]

Actually I said feet to the wall do NOT make the exercise considerably easier, it is simply a matter of balance. And I’d like to at least think I know what I am talking about, being a gymnastics coach as well as having the ability to do freestanding parallel bar handstand pushups. I’d have to say I agree with NikH. [/quote]

You literally said that free standing is harder than using the wall, and now you’re saying you agree with the guy who posts clever pictures. Right on.
[/quote]

I said it is a BIT harder due to the balance requirement, you are saying it is 10x harder which I said in my original post is incorrect. Read more carefully before you speak for other people next time.

I am agreeing with the guy because he is correct, this assessment is based on my own experience with the skill through training others to do it as well as myself. He himself has also mentioned experience with the skill. So far all I see from you is speculation. Can you do a freestanding handstand pushup? feet against the wall handstand pushups (full range of motion)? A freestanding headstands pushup (head touches the floor)? Do you have experience training a significant amount of people to accomplish this? If not, then you are at best just reiterating information you heard from some random source or are taking the liberty of calling something you pulled out of thin air a fact. [/quote]

Actually, I never once said anything about it being 10x more difficult. That was someone else. Maybe you should read more carefully instead of speaking for someone else.

And yes, I can do all of those variations. If I’m at an angle with my feet against the wall doing the handstand pushup is considerably easier. The slant of the angle, going shoeless, etc… all contribute to the movements relative difficulty.
[/quote]

Slant of the angle? Against the wall you go straight up an down (unless for some reason your hands are really far away from the wall and you face the wall), doing a freestanding handstand pushup requires an angle (no way around it) and it becomes more akin to an incline press than a military press. So if you want to use the angle argument, a freestanding handstand pushup is definitely easier (when comparing only angles).

I did a test this morning while coaching, did 8 freestanding handstand pushups on bars, I got 11 with my feet up against the mat (no I didn’t do them right after the other). Did freestanding on floor and did 20 before I got bored. I can actually hold a proper handstand no issue though, making the balance requirement for me negligible. I’d say 8 reps compared to 11 qualifies as a BIT harder. If that’s what you were saying all along then I apologize for confusing your post and someone else’s since I primarily took issue with someone saying it’s 10x harder.

Did it as a competition with some of the kids, one little bugger managed 15.