Thoughts on Collective Guilt

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh,and I don’t dress like “Tru Thugz” because…simply,I don’t dress like that. Mind you,I do feel some dress is age appropriate and also screams more about social acceptance in today’s society than anything.

Prof X…have many people at your job seen you outside of work? And if so,has anyone “raised a brow” as to how you dress outside of work?? As if they’re suprised or some shit??[/quote]

So you don’t dress like “Tru Thugz” because it’s immature. Bias.

Prof X dresses like “Tru Thugz?”

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
I live in Atlanta. [/quote]

Well shit,why didn’t you say so!? LOL

That explains everything you’ve said…well not everything…but still a good percentage. The ratio of blacks and whites is enormous there…but I’m sure you’ve figured that out by now.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I live in Atlanta.

Well shit,why didn’t you say so!? LOL

That explains everything you’ve said…well not everything…but still a good percentage. The ratio of blacks and whites is enormous there…but I’m sure you’ve figured that out by now.

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I’m actually the minority of my neighborhood. Blacks are the majority. However, Mexicans are making a very strong showing nowadays.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I live in Atlanta.

Well shit,why didn’t you say so!? LOL

That explains everything you’ve said…well not everything…but still a good percentage. The ratio of blacks and whites is enormous there…but I’m sure you’ve figured that out by now.

I’m actually the minority of my neighborhood. Blacks are the majority. However, Mexicans are making a very strong showing nowadays. [/quote]

Interesting…how do you feel about that?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

What is being lied about? My pics are in my profile.

Um, great. You have photos of yourself wearing training gear and flexing. What was I supposed to get from them?

You are the one claiming I am “acting” by saying I don’t fear other people like that. I am a 270lbs man who looks the way I do in my pics. Why the fuck would I be afraid of some guy in Hip Hop gear?
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Because 270 .lbs is 270 .lbs of muscle, fat, gristle, and bone. None of it Kevlar. What gated communities do you folks live in where gun crimes aren’t committed?

I’ve, once again, illustrated that I’m not actually talking about every style that could fall into “Hip Hop.” And once again, you folks keep saying Hip Hop gear (encompassing the whole range) when I say “Thug Gear.” Nor, am I only talking about a type of dress (or attitude) that could fall into hip hop, as I’ve also illustrated numerous times.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
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Professor X wrote:
"…Evil doesn’t have a dress code. When will some people figure this out?

Why haven’t people figured this out? It only takes a blink of an eye for someone to become a “criminal.”

Because violent street crimes aren’t being committed by the guys wearing dockers and button collar shirts.

lol…you’re funny :wink:

No, I’m experienced in life.

Well,you and billions of other people have something in common. Get real.

I’m being real. Unfortunately, some folks around here foolishly cling to PC sentiments. And, can’t even be honest. Neighborhoods aren’t being shot up by guys that looks like this. He isn’t the guy one worries about, because he’s behind you waiting to use the ATM. That guy isn’t going to rob me, or car jack me, or jump me with a bunch of his friends because he doesn’t like my pasty skin color.

Didn’t he work in the top echelon at Enron?Or Worldcom?

Oh no ,wait,that would be us white guys…

Since we’re talking crime and all that.

What?! I can take the white collar criminal to court, later on. Hopefully, in the scenario of a violent street crime, I’m not bleeding out from a gun shot wound. Than there is no recovery for damage if some thug has blown my brains out for the $20 I had on me… Ugh, please follow along.

Because of course all the people that lost their savings and pensions,they’re really capable of going to court and didn’t have their lives destroyed in the least…

What is it with you? I’ve been poor most my life! Guess what, I was still alive! Being poor doesn’t break facial bones and blind someone in one eye. A group of thugs will do that for your wallet. You see, I can recover from poverty (been there).

Of course, I’ll use any means avialable to watch for any white collar crimes that might snare me. But, I’m not going to get robbed at gunpoint by the guy in a business suit. I’m not going to sit there wondering if he’s going to let me go home. Or, if he’s going to ventilate my cranium, even if I cooperate, just to make sure I can’t give a description to the police.

Follow along.

Ah I see,that must be your all pervasive life experience coming to the fore.

Let me enlighten you a bit.A variation of what I’m about to describe has happened to three people that I personally know,so while it’s only anecdotal,they are corroborated.

Well dressed (business suits in two cases.Your beloved khaki dockers wearer in the other)stroll into a dealership,express interest in a particular car,blah blah…then off they go on the test drive,salesman in the car continuing his sales palaver.All is going swimmingly.

Well dressed customer pulls out gun,stops at side of the road and in two cases orders the guy out of the car.In the third he shoots first,pushes the guy out of the car.

Three successful hijackings,all well dressed,non thuggish looking perpetrators.

There are many more stories,all documented,but it just gets redundant.You
can get robbed,shot and all many of other by men in suits.In fact,they rely on your sterotyped thinking in order to do it.

Care to reassses?

Do you live in a city? Please, find your local crime blotter. The robbery’s and violent crimes, by far, aren’t being carried out by offenders wearing suits. The business suit gimmick is about as common as the Barbie Doll bank robbers.

The well dressed criminal issue is pretty common where I live.I’m sure your heartfelt empathy towards towards the victims of those particular criminals will make them all feel better,because “Gee,what where the odds ?” is really comforting.

You’ve obviously got it all waxed and good luck to you.

Oh sure. The violent crime around your city is largely committed by folks in suits. Sorry, but I bet it’s but a blip on the crime scene.

I live in Atlanta. Feel free to go through the different crime reports and blotters. Not happening in business suits. What city do you live in? I’ll be glad to do a little surfing through it’s blotters and crime reports.[/quote]

Johannesburg.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I live in Atlanta.

Well shit,why didn’t you say so!? LOL

That explains everything you’ve said…well not everything…but still a good percentage. The ratio of blacks and whites is enormous there…but I’m sure you’ve figured that out by now.

I’m actually the minority of my neighborhood. Blacks are the majority. However, Mexicans are making a very strong showing nowadays.

Interesting…how do you feel about that?[/quote]

About the blacks, or Mexicans?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I live in Atlanta.

Well shit,why didn’t you say so!? LOL

That explains everything you’ve said…well not everything…but still a good percentage. The ratio of blacks and whites is enormous there…but I’m sure you’ve figured that out by now.

I’m actually the minority of my neighborhood. Blacks are the majority. However, Mexicans are making a very strong showing nowadays.

Interesting…how do you feel about that?

About the blacks, or Mexicans?[/quote]

Both or either one…I’m just curious.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh,and I don’t dress like “Tru Thugz” because…simply,I don’t dress like that. Mind you,I do feel some dress is age appropriate and also screams more about social acceptance in today’s society than anything.

Prof X…have many people at your job seen you outside of work? And if so,has anyone “raised a brow” as to how you dress outside of work?? As if they’re suprised or some shit??[/quote]

No. I get more surprise from some patients at work (mostly really old black women or middle aged white women)that I am the doctor. Then again, I would never wear a tank top to work but have one on within 1hr of leaving work most days.

They already know I lift anyway so if anything, they would be shocked at seeing what the muscles look like outside of scrubs…not specifically how I am dressed.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Both or either one…I’m just curious.[/quote]

The smell of pot is often in the air. LOUD car exhausts. Car break ins. Home invasions. Noone resonsible (black, white, or mexican) let’s their teens out at night. Unfortunatley, there’s plenty of the irresponsible around here. Lot’s of domestic violence. Hearing someone firing off shot isn’t a shock around here. Hell, damn near every week I witness at least one police response to my neighborhood.

Beer bottles thrown on the ground. Or, in the back of my dang truck…Loud arguments out in the middle of the parking lot “Who you calling a bitch?!” Lots of people stuffed into one apartment. Etc. That’s just how my “hood” is.

There’s me and one white family ( I don’t really know them). We’re the only palefaces around. There’s good black and mexican folk here too, though. And they’re just as cautious as I am. Meaning, they don’t want their teens hanging out with “Tru Thugz.” Who’d a thunk it, ya know?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Both or either one…I’m just curious.

The smell of pot is often in the air. LOUD car exhausts. Car break ins. Home invasions. Noone resonsible (black, white, or mexican) let’s their teens out at night. Unfortunatley, there’s plenty of the irresponsible around here. Lot’s of domestic violence. Hell, damn near every week I witness at least one police response to my neighborhood. Hearing someone firing off shot isn’t a shock around here.

Beer bottles thrown on the ground. Or, in the back of my dang truck…Loud arguments out in the middle of the parking lot “Who you calling a bitch?!” Lots of people stuffed into one apartment. Etc. That’s just how my “hood” is.

There’s me and one white family ( I don’t really know them). We’re the only palefaces around. There’s good black and mexican folk here too, though. And they’re just as cautious as I am. Who’d a thunk it, ya know?[/quote]

Interesting…VERY.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

Interesting…VERY. [/quote]

I’ve never had someone describe my life as interesting. I’m not sure what to think.

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So let me get this straight - I am supposed to feel guilty because of what, exactly?

I love the way this has turned, yet again, into a discussion about clothing.

The way you look and dress matters, anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot. Anyone arguing over this fact is an even bigger idiot.

Great job, assholes.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
So let me get this straight - I am supposed to feel guilty because of what, exactly?

I love the way this has turned, yet again, into a discussion about clothing.

The way you look and dress matters, anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot. Anyone arguing over this fact is an even bigger idiot.

Great job, assholes. [/quote]

Sorry, but it be seemed like the main topic stalled anyways. Where could it go? Collective guilt leads to collective punishment. Then what? Revolt?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Interesting…VERY.

I’ve never had someone describe my life as interesting. I’m not sure what to think.[/quote]

Taking interest in perspectives other than your own is a good thing…its a step forward in understanding.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
"…Evil doesn’t have a dress code. When will some people figure this out?

Why haven’t people figured this out? It only takes a blink of an eye for someone to become a “criminal.”

Well, it IS nice if the person announces (with clothing, tats, etc) their violent or sick nature before they actually perpetrate something. I guess the more intelligent criminals WOULD dress in Armani suits and make eloquent speeches before thousands of swooning idiots.

Just curious HH, are you implying that someone with visible tattoo’s makes you think “criminal”?

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Depends. If its a teardrop, a gang symbol, or Satan devouring a child then…yes, I do.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
"…Evil doesn’t have a dress code. When will some people figure this out?

Why haven’t people figured this out? It only takes a blink of an eye for someone to become a “criminal.”

Well, it IS nice if the person announces (with clothing, tats, etc) their violent or sick nature before they actually perpetrate something. I guess the more intelligent criminals WOULD dress in Armani suits and make eloquent speeches before thousands of swooning idiots.

Just curious HH, are you implying that someone with visible tattoo’s makes you think “criminal”?

Depends. If its a teardrop, a gang symbol, or Satan devouring a child then…yes, I do.

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Pop had a skull smoking a cigar on his forearm. And, a bare-breasted barbarian chick on the other forearm. Trust me, folks were suspicious of my dad. Now yeah, if the tatoo is of a pixy sprinkling fairy dust onto a rose, or the pink panther…I’m more likely to cringe than feel more alert.

Edit: Oh, nothing beats my Uncle though. A tombstone bearing his own name and RIP across chest and abdomen. Drank himself to death in a hotel room not too many years since the last time I saw him. A very violent, and ultimately fatalistic, individual.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Headhypocrite wrote:
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

See? Nice and simple. Common sense usually is.

Then practice what you preach…cause it doesn’t look good for you.[/quote]

You keep changing your avatar…who’s next, Louis Farrakhan? You’re impressing me as being a chameleon.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Headhypocrite wrote:
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

See? Nice and simple. Common sense usually is.

Then practice what you preach…cause it doesn’t look good for you.

You keep changing your avatar…who’s next, Louis Farrakhan? You’re impressing me as being a chameleon.

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I’m sorry…did you say something?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:

And, “frightened” is too strong of a word, by the way. I’m more alert. My reaction is to keep him in my peripheral. And, if the person seems to be headed straight for me, I’ll make direct eye contact and say, “hello, how are you doing?” Then I’ll see what happens next. It’s not as if I’m pulling a gun and screaming for a cop. My instincts are built from real world experiences. And though I’m one of those collectively guilty, white americans you fear, my life experiences might just count for something.

No, most of us would still call that “frightened”.

You can come up with as many names for it as you wish, but it won’t change much. Unless someone is threatening you, your own level of alert based on appearance is nothing but fear of what you think MAY happen.

Not buying your tough guy act either.

You might like to describe yourself as this huge, martial arts trained, omniscient badass, but I live in the real world. In the real world you make priorities of where your awareness focuses. Because, unlike your fantasy image of yourself, human beings can’t be aware of everything around them at all times. Doesn’t happen. You can sit here and continue spinning tall tales about yourself, but human limitations are fact. The things people will lie about, in order to duck conceeding a point. I swear.[/quote]

They grew up in a culture designed so that they never judge someone by appearance. If someone has an axe smashing into a human skull tattoed on them, you shouldn’t judge.