“bro knowledge” is hearsay. i was talking from first hand experience.
that said, i definitely didn’t measure it before and after…lol
i was just making the point that you should be more active in that department.
:o)
[quote]Butkus51 wrote:
marc51 wrote:
from first hand experience you will experience;
-very fast weight gain
-increased strength
-it to take affect in about 7-10 days
-your ejaculate will be about double what it is right now.
you really have to put away the mirror while you are on this stuff. it smooths you out like you have no idea. once you’re off all that water flushes out.
i started out at 50/mg ed and bumped it up to 100/mg ed and i’m still around to tell the story. if you research a little, you will hear that 0.5 or 0.6 mg per pound of bodyweight is a pretty safe range per day. As long as your healthy, don’t run it for too long and run it with other steroids that would are complementary.
As a side note, i supplemented with Alpha Lipoic Acid while taking Anadrol. Not sure if ultimately did anything in terms of liver protection, but i’m sure it didn’t hurt.
-your ejaculate will be about double what it is right now???
Wow…ummmm O…K…Hey BBB Would this fall into the “Bro knowledge” category?
Personally I would never do Anadrol again but would use D-ballinstead to kick start a cycle for too many reasons.[/quote]
xplain reasons you wouldnt use it again.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Butkus51 wrote:
marc51 wrote:
from first hand experience you will experience;
-very fast weight gain
-increased strength
-it to take affect in about 7-10 days
-your ejaculate will be about double what it is right now.
you really have to put away the mirror while you are on this stuff. it smooths you out like you have no idea. once you’re off all that water flushes out.
i started out at 50/mg ed and bumped it up to 100/mg ed and i’m still around to tell the story. if you research a little, you will hear that 0.5 or 0.6 mg per pound of bodyweight is a pretty safe range per day. As long as your healthy, don’t run it for too long and run it with other steroids that would are complementary.
As a side note, i supplemented with Alpha Lipoic Acid while taking Anadrol. Not sure if ultimately did anything in terms of liver protection, but i’m sure it didn’t hurt.
-your ejaculate will be about double what it is right now???
Wow…ummmm O…K…Hey BBB Would this fall into the “Bro knowledge” category?
Personally I would never do Anadrol again but would use D-ballinstead to kick start a cycle for too many reasons.
xplain reasons you wouldnt use it again.[/quote]
sorry your right i should have done so:
-I like to spread my oral doses as much as i can and hate splitting tabs just cause its a pain. 5-10 mg of dbal can be taken threw out day unlike 50 mg anadrol tabs.
- All Literature i have read points to dangers of anadrol whereas Dbal has a long standing better rep. That is more of a psychological reason but a reason for none the less.
-I found more bloating/weight gain with anadrol while following same diet. Less with D-bal yet with same strength gains. At 43 and mid 200’s I dont need any extra weight. especially useless water weight. - price of Anadrol is perhaps a little cheaper but we’re really taking a few bucks, nothing serious.
Thats kinda of the top of my head. I would have to go back to my journal to expand with facts such as BP numbers, actual weight doses, duartion etc…
Dbol is the better drug in most people’s opinion, theres a reason its used so much more than drol.
Gains are similar, its more widely available, and sides are more easily controlled.
Having done both, I use dbol.
[quote]Butkus51 wrote:
-I like to spread my oral doses as much as i can and hate splitting tabs just cause its a pain. 5-10 mg of dbal can be taken threw out day unlike 50 mg anadrol tabs.[/quote]
Dbol has a 3hr half life and needs to be taken regularly because of this, drol has a 12hr (IIRC - it is around that anyway) half life and can be taken twice a day for great results.[quote]
- All Literature i have read points to dangers of anadrol whereas Dbal has a long standing better rep. That is more of a psychological reason but a reason for none the less.[/quote]
Dianabol has more bro-knowledge as it has been discontinued for a while now, plus was the drug of choice (along with deca) during the 70’s.
There have been more tests on muscle wasting diseases with drol - this is likely why there is more professional scientific literature. Drol will cause a higher BP than Dbol dose for dose though IME, but less estrogenic sides - 50mg of each, dbol is more likely to cause gyno - in me at least.[quote]
-I found more bloating/weight gain with anadrol while following same diet. Less with D-bal yet with same strength gains. At 43 and mid 200’s I dont need any extra weight. especially useless water weight.[/quote]
Dianabol and drol’s water weight can be and is almost totally eliminated with letrozole. They are both water gainers and the strength that follows is mainly from the increase in one’s muscle cross-sectional area during the cycle.[quote]
- price of Anadrol is perhaps a little cheaper but we’re really taking a few bucks, nothing serious.
Thats kinda of the top of my head. I would have to go back to my journal to expand with facts such as BP numbers, actual weight doses, duartion etc…[/quote]
I do prefer dbol, but there isnt much between them TBH in terms of gains - plus dianabol is more effective at a lower dose than drol and drol causes nose bleeds and has even swolen my prostate.
I would have to say, for a 43 year old i would also stay away from drol - many older men avoid high doses of test too opting for additional boldenone or nandrolone - the less androgenic drugs, due to prostate hypertrophy, cholesterol and BP.
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
Butkus51 wrote:
-I like to spread my oral doses as much as i can and hate splitting tabs just cause its a pain. 5-10 mg of dbal can be taken threw out day unlike 50 mg anadrol tabs.
Dbol has a 3hr half life and needs to be taken regularly because of this, drol has a 12hr (IIRC - it is around that anyway) half life and can be taken twice a day for great results.
- All Literature i have read points to dangers of anadrol whereas Dbal has a long standing better rep. That is more of a psychological reason but a reason for none the less.
Dianabol has more bro-knowledge as it has been discontinued for a while now, plus was the drug of choice (along with deca) during the 70’s.
There have been more tests on muscle wasting diseases with drol - this is likely why there is more professional scientific literature. Drol will cause a higher BP than Dbol dose for dose though IME, but less estrogenic sides - 50mg of each, dbol is more likely to cause gyno - in me at least.
-I found more bloating/weight gain with anadrol while following same diet. Less with D-bal yet with same strength gains. At 43 and mid 200’s I dont need any extra weight. especially useless water weight.
Dianabol and drol’s water weight can be and is almost totally eliminated with letrozole. They are both water gainers and the strength that follows is mainly from the increase in one’s muscle cross-sectional area during the cycle.
- price of Anadrol is perhaps a little cheaper but we’re really taking a few bucks, nothing serious.
Thats kinda of the top of my head. I would have to go back to my journal to expand with facts such as BP numbers, actual weight doses, duartion etc…
I do prefer dbol, but there isnt much between them TBH in terms of gains - plus dianabol is more effective at a lower dose than drol and drol causes nose bleeds and has even swolen my prostate.
I would have to say, for a 43 year old i would also stay away from drol - many older men avoid high doses of test too opting for additional boldenone or nandrolone - the less androgenic drugs, due to prostate hypertrophy, cholesterol and BP.
Brook[/quote]
All excellent points, thank you! Especially regarding the half life. I can’t believe i didn’t think about that for myself! I suppose at the end of the day they are both so similar. The OP should try them both and see for himself. However, use it to kick start a real cycle based on injectables rather then your main product. Personally my body seems to have no issues with Test so it will always be the base of any cycle I do.
Thanks again!
There is a massive amount of knowledge on this forum, so for me, posting anything is rather intimidating.
Regardless:
Anadrol worked fantastic for me. I gained 15 kilos and my major lifts rose 40-60 kilos.
It was run st 100mg/ED, four week total. in conjunction with 400mg Cypionate/wk.
Only down side was the testicular atrophy and gyno that started after the third week.
Since the topic of half-lives was brought up on here, i have a question relating to adrol and winny and the dosing times, in your opinions.
the half life of anadrol is<16 hours.
the half life of winstrol is 8 hours.
If i am dosing Anadrol at 100mg ED and Winstrol at 50mg ED then how would you split the doses? They both come in 50mg tabs. I could see taking the Anadrol twice a day or even once a day late morning. But i should definitely split the Winny tab and spread the dosage out. How would you guys spread the doses out?
[quote]bjjwannabe152 wrote:
Since the topic of half-lives was brought up on here, i have a question relating to adrol and winny and the dosing times, in your opinions.
the half life of anadrol is<16 hours.
the half life of winstrol is 8 hours.
If i am dosing Anadrol at 100mg ED and Winstrol at 50mg ED then how would you split the doses? They both come in 50mg tabs. I could see taking the Anadrol twice a day or even once a day late morning. But i should definitely split the Winny tab and spread the dosage out. How would you guys spread the doses out?[/quote]
The answers are in your question.
Dosing drol 2x a day is definitely better than once, once wont allow levels to build, but twice does and IME produces more results than once.
As for winstrol, if it is to be used with the drol it is fine to dose at the same time, but ideally 3x a day would be the minimum for steady-ish levels at an 8hr half life… (8x3=24)
You could split a tablet into 4 easily enough.
But as i said i just dose the winny and drol together twice a day.
Brook
Thanks for the infor, Brook. I will probably go with my 50mgAnadrol/25mgWinstrol when i wake up and then again in the evening probably around 6 or 7pm.
Would a good amount of letrozol cut the sides from Drol enough to run a heavy dose of it.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Would a good amount of letrozol cut the sides from Drol enough to run a heavy dose of it.[/quote]
It would not help much to reduce its progesterone qualities.
It would however reduce your estrogen enough so that the estrogen can not amplify the progesterone problems.
Where people run into problems with drol is letting estrogen get out of hand, and then the drol’s progesterone qualities just amplify that problem.
The real problem isnt so much the drol, its what happens when you take drol and dont properly control estrogen.
Gyno sensitive people should avoid drol altogether, winny isnt going to save you if you shit goes down.
Define “heavy dose”.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Define “heavy dose”.[/quote]
well would 100-150 mg a day be a heavy dose.
I think 100mg is considered an effective dose. 150 is approaching the heavy side. The appropriate dose of Letro should do fine at keeping that in check.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
I think 100mg is considered an effective dose. 150 is approaching the heavy side. The appropriate dose of Letro should do fine at keeping that in check.[/quote]
Solid thanks.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Would a good amount of letrozol cut the sides from Drol enough to run a heavy dose of it.
It would not help much to reduce its progesterone qualities.
It would however reduce your estrogen enough so that the estrogen can not amplify the progesterone problems.
Where people run into problems with drol is letting estrogen get out of hand, and then the drol’s progesterone qualities just amplify that problem.
The real problem isnt so much the drol, its what happens when you take drol and dont properly control estrogen.
Gyno sensitive people should avoid drol altogether, winny isnt going to save you if you shit goes down.[/quote]
It still isnt known if Oxymetholone is a direct Estrogen agonist or has progesterone properties AFAIK.
I know in Wikipedia Oxymetholone is labelled in the Androstan section, not the Estren section, making it neither a direct estrogen agonist nor a progestin. But i do know that Letrozole has some anti-progesterone effects, coupled with winny it is enough to keep any estrogen/progesterone sides at bay with a dose of 750mg test a week added to 100mg drol a day… This is my experience at least, and i am not saying it is the suppression of the progestrogenic effects that makes it less problematic, but that with winstrol and letrozole, the progestrogenic activity is not seen as a problem (in me) along with the extreme suppression of the aromatase activity possible with letro (Which as you pointed out WC is the most important factor in controlling gyno - whether progestins or aromatizable steroids are being used).
As for gyno sensitive people needing to avoid Drol, this isnt quite true either, it is an opinion - fair enough, but i am sensitive to gyno and have used drol successfully. In FACT i find dbol more troublesome than drol for gyno - suggesting to me it is more of a progesterone agonizing drug than estrogenic. As i am not as sensitive to progesterone sides as i am to estrogen/estradiol.
OP, thinking that letrozole use is going to allow doses higher than 100mg a day is quite ignorant, as the sides from drol are not just tits and fat - i find it a highly androgenic drug that at 100mg gives frequent nosebleeds from highly increased BP and even prostate hypertrophy in some - me included.
Letrozole or any AI is no reason to super dose AAS, these drugs are there to control estrogen aromatisation only, not make steroids ‘safe’ all around. It is the educated and informed application of AAS that leads to them being a lot less harmful than many medias portray, however if one was to use 100mg dbol a day for 16 weeks or 2g of test with 200mg drol/d then they are asking for trouble.
JMO
Brook
Brook,
I’m researching this drug for possible use in a future cycle…
Its my understanding that this drug is not very androgenic… 45:320 I think is the Andro:Anabol ratio…
Also, it was my understanding that this drug did not bond well to the AR, and therefor had non-AR mediated effects…
I’m not trying to challenge you here… just to learn.
In specific, I was thinking about stacking drol with halo because they seem to be quite synergistic as far as both being “strength agents” while one is highly androgenic and the other highly anabolic, and neither is aromatizable…
You should abandon thoughts of anabolic/androgenic ratio. What it actually is is ratio of growth of the levator ani in the rat vs the prostate, compared to testosterone as a standard. It was a noble effort, so to speak, back when these drugs were less well understood but turned out to be of little to no importance.
As far as everything in a stack being non-aromatizable: Unless the stack is mild enough to still allow some natural testosterone production, you will do better with a source of estrogen sufficient to maintain at least low-normal levels, than allowing it to drop below that, as will occur when T production is shut down and no aromatizing steroid is provided.
I can’t comment on the proposed Halotestin/Anadrol stack on account of no practical information on the stack, or stacking behavior of Halotestin, period. You are probably right though.
Bill Roberts said I’m probably right!
I think I get a gold star.
I also think I’m going to try a drol/halo stack with some hcg for dual purpose of recovery and estro.
I would think there’s no need for an AI here, right?