Thor Trailer Released

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

But Carradine was AWESOME!

Unless this black dude is awesome too, I am dissapoint.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

But Carradine was AWESOME!

Unless this black dude is awesome too, I am dissapoint.

[/quote]

Carradine wasn’t Asian, didn’t look Asian, didn’t ACT Asian and that part should have gone to Bruce Lee who was up for it. TV producers thought that no one would watch a tv show with an Asian lead so they stuck a white guy in it.

Either way, with a history of cinema like that, how can anyone have the balls to complain when it is done in reverse on such a small scale?

Shit, you reap what you sow.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

But Carradine was AWESOME!

Unless this black dude is awesome too, I am dissapoint.

[/quote]

Carradine wasn’t Asian, didn’t look Asian, didn’t ACT Asian and that part should ahve gone to Bruce Lee who was up for it. Tv producers thought that no one would watch a tv show with an Asian lead so they stuck a white guy in it.

Either way, with a history of cinema like that, how can anyone have the balls to complain when it is done in reverse on such a small scale?

Shit, you reap what you sow. [/quote]

Mmmmmhhh, Bruce Lee could have been even awesomer.

Also, how does one act Asian?

Should he have taken them down with an abacus?

Racist.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

But Carradine was AWESOME!

Unless this black dude is awesome too, I am dissapoint.

[/quote]

Carradine wasn’t Asian, didn’t look Asian, didn’t ACT Asian and that part should ahve gone to Bruce Lee who was up for it. Tv producers thought that no one would watch a tv show with an Asian lead so they stuck a white guy in it.

Either way, with a history of cinema like that, how can anyone have the balls to complain when it is done in reverse on such a small scale?

Shit, you reap what you sow. [/quote]

Mmmmmhhh, Bruce Lee could have been even awesomer.

Also, how does one act Asian?

Should he have taken them down with an abacus?

Racist.

[/quote]

LOL.

Back then, many Asians in this country were not native born and if they were, they were not “Americanized” like our population is today. TODAY, yeah, making an Asian character act any different than the rest of us would be strange…but this character was based on someone who just arrived here and was strict with traditional ways of life.

Either way, yeah, Bruce Lee would have been way more bad ass by today’s standards.

For the first time in history possibly starting around the early to mid 90’s, white people aren’t being thrown into EVERY single major role…and if this is the reaction to it, it baffles me.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

But Carradine was AWESOME!

Unless this black dude is awesome too, I am dissapoint.

[/quote]

Watch the movie “Dragon: A Bruce Lee Story”. It covers this and all the other racism Lee [and Asians in general] suffered during that time period.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:
I’m still seeing this movie, I don’t really care that much, but I do like to see things stay close to the source. Another odd thing is it looks like the black dude is fighting Thor which doesn’t seem right as they are always friendly, I really hope it’s something Loki did or that’ll be another annoyance. [/quote]

Him an Thor has thrown down before. Sometimes being tricked by Loki and in one case he was ordered not to leave Asgard and Odin had him stop Thor. But I get the feeling they will end up on the same side.[/quote]

On the new animated Avengers tv show, they had the Enchantress (I think that is who she was) pretend to be him so that he could trick Thor. Either way, while they are friends, obviously the source of most of the conflict in Asgard seems to come from some scheme to trick someone else.[/quote]
That show is great, so many characters.

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Regarding the casting, I do wonder why they chose a black actor for the “white god” but I am not bent about it. I do read comics, I am a fan of Thor, I just think I will hold my opinion for the movie.

SALT was supposed to star a male actor but was then tailored for Angelina Jolie, or at least that was what I read.

In the movie “World Trade Center” the marine who found the TSA guys was played by a white guy but in reality was a black marine who drove there and found them.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1682706/posts

There was also controversy about the statue of the firemen who raised the American flag at Ground Zero because they wanted to depict them as racially diverse and also a woman when in reality it was three white firemen.

You can’t really bring up Kung Fu (which was developed by Bruce Lee) because that was about 50 or so years ago. Things have changed. Not as much as we would like, but things are better.

But this is a comic book. This isn’t reality. It was like when I was watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and my date was telling me how there is no way you could perform the martial arts stunts they did, and I sat there thinking, “okay… but you are fine with 4ft talking radioactive turtles in the sewer.”

I am looking forward to this movie and many more of bare chested well built men. Thank you comic book heroes.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Reaching? The only reasonable conclusion I see is either Elba was too good for the part to pass up (to which they could have reversed Tropic Thunder-ed him if they really wanted to) or it’s just to spark controversy (though, it’s probably a mix of the two).

I see no reason to assume a contextual excuse. Are you saying the script was written specifically for Heimdall to be black to show how the gods can freely alter their appearance, but then not alter it any further AND have none of the other gods alter their appearances either? That’s a huge assumption. You’d think Elba, or anybody involved in the movie for that matter would’ve mentioned they were going for such sub-text in a interview or something. =/

Even if that were the case, it would be a totally pointless change to the story and given that there’s nothing in the source material to suggest Heimdall likes making himself look black (for whatever purpose) such reasoning would at best be an ex post facto excuse to hire an actor they already wanted to play the part. [/quote]

No, now YOU are reaching. In the comics, Loki changed into a woman. That is what Loki is now…a big beautiful red haired woman. You are saying that a comic book character based on a NORDIC GOD that can change sex is acceptable to you but HOLY SHIT not a black person???

That makes zero fuck sense.

These are not the literal book adaptations of Nordic Gods. These are the MARVEL COMICS version of these gods.

Unless you are now raising hell that Loki is a woman, you have no reason to be losing it over this.

Quit reaching.

Why does skin color matter but not sex?

We heard no uproar from any comics fans when Loki had a sex change.[/quote]

Let me preface this by saying I don’t care that Heimdall is being portrayed by a black dude, nor did I care that Michale CLarke Duncan was the Kingpin but becasue I am a fanboy I just need to sat that Loki did that because he had taken Lady Sif’s body when Thor revived all the gods, and when he finally found Sif Thor restored her and loki became mala again. During Seige Loki is killed and recently in Thor he’s a 15yr old French boy. So the sex change was storyline related.

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I love how the interwebs and quite a few people on this very thread automatically assume that anyone who sees a problem with this in any way, shape, or form is an evil jew-gassing, cross-burning, innocent-lynching, goose stepping, shaven headed, neo nazi.

And 300 is still the gayest movie ever.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

You should pay a little more attention. All of those portrayals you’ve mentioned have been attacked in the media as racist. The same people attacking placing whites in a movie as racist don’t have anything to say about a black guy playing a norse god in Thor.

And you didn’t mention John Wayne playing Genghis Khan and have lost points for doing so.

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You know, I was wondering why this tread made it to 8 pages. I mean I saw the trailer and it was cool but not T-Nation 8 pages cool. Leave it to race to get you guys blood boiling.

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[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

You should pay a little more attention. All of those portrayals you’ve mentioned have been attacked in the media as racist. The same people attacking placing whites in a movie as racist don’t have anything to say about a black guy playing a norse god in Thor.

And you didn’t mention John Wayne playing Genghis Khan and have lost points for doing so.
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I really dont know what to say to this…

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Hollywood’s worst fuckup with race changes is still the Last Airbender. They made an all asian/eskimo story into a strange mish mash of white people and native Indians that completely screwed the work of art that was the original concept. In that one, they changed THE MAIN CHARACTERS and not just surrounding cast.

Other than that, they have been throwing white people into roles written for other races for over a century now from doing black face to using a white guy (David Carradine) to play an Asian character in the tv show Kung Fu.

I NEVER heard anyone raise hell about it or protest or boycott about it.

It seems some people just can’t handle it when all of that bullshit boomerangs.[/quote]

But Carradine was AWESOME!

Unless this black dude is awesome too, I am dissapoint.

[/quote]

This “black dude” is Stringer fucking Bell. He’s going to be awesome - I’d bet dollars to donuts on it. And his skin has been depicted as essentially a map of the universe, so I’d say there’s grounds for him to be black.