This Just In - Supplements Are All Dangerous

Nutrition
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[quote]davidcox1 wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
I think if this tread of supplement bashing will lead to FDA testing. Thus making everything cost more so I doubt it will happen.

@j13 - it’s funny how things work like that. People over dose on the prescription medication all the time. For instance your example of acetaminophen (Tylenol). Not prescription in this case but anyone can self medicate and potentially harm themselves without proper counseling.

There is a women that comes to the gym and always asks if we have ephedrine in. She buys by two bottles (50 tablets @ 8mg/tab) that last her about 7 days. It’s recommended 1 tablet every six to eight hours. So if you think about it she should only be taking about 3 tablets/24 hours if dosing every eight hours. But 100 tablets/7 days = 14.28 tablets/day OR 14 tablets/day. So that comes out to be 4.67x the recommended amount.

People just do not know how to comply to medicating/supplement recommendations and thus supplements get bad rep for hurting people. The only reason it hurts someone is that they are using to much!

Double the amount doesn’t mean double the results!
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You make a very good point and it helps explain part of the thinking behind these misguided articles–they are thinking ephedra but speaking about protein as if they were both “drugs”. I disagree with the ban on ephedra, but I also think there is more danger with it than with creatine and that the two should be in the same category of “supplement.” Going overboard creatine just increases the amount of time you have to spend on the crapper, but going overboard with ephedra will screw with you in worse ways.[/quote]

Definitely agree, and I too have a huge HATE for articles and media that partake in this ‘confusion’.

I’m a dietetics student in university, just finished a class that infuriated me as it seemed to be anti-supplement. In the ‘sports performance’ section, where they talked about dietary supplements, they essentially had the following, in TL;DR format:

Chromium: Doesn’t work as well as thought
Protein: Won’t make you gain weight (??)
Creatine: More studies needed on the topic
DNP, Androstenedione, Ephedrine: All lumped together under the ‘they’ll kill you’ category

Kind of an odd selection, and interspersing a ‘social evil’ (Ephedrine) with the more socially known supplements (Protein, Creatine), then throwing in supps that one can say could kill you or fail to deliver a benefit. It leaves a bad impression on all sports supplements.

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[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
I think if this tread of supplement bashing will lead to FDA testing. Thus making everything cost more so I doubt it will happen.

@j13 - it’s funny how things work like that. People over dose on the prescription medication all the time. For instance your example of acetaminophen (Tylenol). Not prescription in this case but anyone can self medicate and potentially harm themselves without proper counseling.

There is a women that comes to the gym and always asks if we have ephedrine in. She buys by two bottles (50 tablets @ 8mg/tab) that last her about 7 days. It’s recommended 1 tablet every six to eight hours. So if you think about it she should only be taking about 3 tablets/24 hours if dosing every eight hours. But 100 tablets/7 days = 14.28 tablets/day OR 14 tablets/day. So that comes out to be 4.67x the recommended amount.

People just do not know how to comply to medicating/supplement recommendations and thus supplements get bad rep for hurting people. The only reason it hurts someone is that they are using to much!

Double the amount doesn’t mean double the results!
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I’m not sure if your serious or what - but some people use ephedrine to make meth. You should call the FBI maybe you can get some tip money.

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[quote]challer1 wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
I think if this tread of supplement bashing will lead to FDA testing. Thus making everything cost more so I doubt it will happen.

@j13 - it’s funny how things work like that. People over dose on the prescription medication all the time. For instance your example of acetaminophen (Tylenol). Not prescription in this case but anyone can self medicate and potentially harm themselves without proper counseling.

There is a women that comes to the gym and always asks if we have ephedrine in. She buys by two bottles (50 tablets @ 8mg/tab) that last her about 7 days. It’s recommended 1 tablet every six to eight hours. So if you think about it she should only be taking about 3 tablets/24 hours if dosing every eight hours. But 100 tablets/7 days = 14.28 tablets/day OR 14 tablets/day. So that comes out to be 4.67x the recommended amount.

People just do not know how to comply to medicating/supplement recommendations and thus supplements get bad rep for hurting people. The only reason it hurts someone is that they are using to much!

Double the amount doesn’t mean double the results!
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I’m not sure if your serious or what - but some people use ephedrine to make meth. You should call the FBI maybe you can get some tip money. [/quote]

I always thought the bad guys used psuedoephedrine (comes in a liquid I think), not tablets like were being described here. Maybe there is a way to convert it, but I wouldn’t have immediately assumed this girl was cooking up illegal drugs.

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[quote]davidcox1 wrote:

[quote]challer1 wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
There is a women that comes to the gym and always asks if we have ephedrine in. She buys by two bottles (50 tablets @ 8mg/tab) that last her about 7 days. It’s recommended 1 tablet every six to eight hours. So if you think about it she should only be taking about 3 tablets/24 hours if dosing every eight hours. But 100 tablets/7 days = 14.28 tablets/day OR 14 tablets/day. So that comes out to be 4.67x the recommended amount.
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I’m not sure if your serious or what - but some people use ephedrine to make meth. You should call the FBI maybe you can get some tip money. [/quote]

I always thought the bad guys used psuedoephedrine (comes in a liquid I think), not tablets like were being described here. Maybe there is a way to convert it, but I wouldn’t have immediately assumed this girl was cooking up illegal drugs.[/quote]

I highly doubt she is. She doesn’t at all look like she fits the description of a drug addict let alone have the knowledge on how to make it. As well if she would go to the pharmacy there is a cap on how much she can buy at once. The highest amount and dosage is 50 tablets @ 8mg/container. So supplement companies exploit this and make supplements according to what laws are for the maximum production.

I do not know the cap is I just know there is one.

As well psudoephedrine comes in the form of tablet, tablets S-R, capsules, oral liquid, and powder for solution. Meth can be made from any form of the medication but I would imagine there would be more processes to extract it from solid form. Just what I THINK.

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Nutrition writers said that Vitamin C would never help you get over a cold. I’ve been using it to stave off colds and shorten their duration for 30 years. Most nutrition writers opinions aren’t worth a thimble full of spit.

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Another “drug” that these dick fucks seem to ignore is lo and behold alcohol.

Alcohol is extremely easy to get, and causes thousands of deaths from intoxication and drunk driving. But according to them “alcohol in moderation is good for you”. Ya, and protein’s apparently more dangerous.

Nuff FUCKING said to those douche bags.

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My anesthesiologist and nurses were lecturing me on my supplement use b/c they ask for a list of everything you take pre-surgery… they didnt know what half of it was or what it did, even the basics like zinc!

Needless to say I’m sticking with my stack.

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[quote]Mouldsie wrote:
My anesthesiologist and nurses were lecturing me on my supplement use b/c they ask for a list of everything you take pre-surgery… they didnt know what half of it was or what it did, even the basics like zinc!

Needless to say I’m sticking with my stack.[/quote]

They are so used to seeing patients whose diets consist of soda and junk food (with maybe some prescription meds thrown in) that they don’t know what to do with those of us who eat right and take a lot of supplements. My docs too are always astounded, confounded by what I’m taking.

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[quote]Mouldsie wrote:
My anesthesiologist and nurses were lecturing me on my supplement use b/c they ask for a list of everything you take pre-surgery… they didnt know what half of it was or what it did, even the basics like zinc!

Needless to say I’m sticking with my stack.[/quote]

I’ve started listing things in broad categories, like amino acids (which covers protein, creatine, leucine, glutamine), vitamins, minerals, herbs. This avoids long lists and funny looks.

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I like to throw this one out when people start this nonsense:

There are three bottles of pills on a table: 1) 100 aspirin, 2) 100 Lasix, 3) 100 dianabol. A guy has a gun to your head, and you have to take take all of one of these drugs. Which one will NOT kill you?

  1. That much aspirin at once will eat a hole in your stomach, not to mention seriously screw with your clotting factors. You would develop a bleeding ulcer and die.

  2. Lasix is a prescription strength diuretic, used on CHF patients(among others). You would severely dehydrate and die.

  3. Dianabol(a steroid, obviously) would probably screw up your hormonal profile for a while, but would not kill you.