[quote]Brad61 wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Besides, if this little nuclear scenario of yours doesn’t pan out in less than ten years, we’re all gonna be gone anyways. Don’t you remember?, Algore said we only have ten years left before the environment gives out. And he is an expert you know.
I’m just saying.
First of all, Gore is just saying what EVERY legitimate environmental scientist in the world is saying. Gore is just the messenger.[/quote]
Funny how you preface the legitimacy of environmental scientists on their agreement with algore. Are you saying there are no legitimate environmental scientists who disagree with algore and the theory of man made global warming all together?
To imply that environmental scientists who flat out dissagree with the theory of man made global warming, and state that it is an unproven theory at best, are illegitimate due to not siding with your precious algore and the environmentalist who do put stock in this unproven theory is intellectually dishonest.
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Second of all, the 10-years thing is not when the world ends… ten years is when the environmental danage is so great, that scientists believe we may not be able to recover. That would mean a steadily declining environment over the next decades.[/quote]
Another totally unproven theory from algore and his army of unproven scientists. Hey junior, hitch a ride to cluetown and get yourself a fucking clue. Doom and gloom forecasts have been made for a long, long time. They’ve almost become part and parcel to the environmentalist whacko culture.
Here, as a curtesy to you, I’ve done some of the legwork for you.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3185
The Accuracy of Environmentalist Predictions
by Walter Williams
Before we accept environmentalists’ claims that the sky is falling, let’s survey some of their past predictions. At the first Earth Day celebration, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.” C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, “The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed. In 1968, Paul Erlich, Vice President Gore’s hero and mentor, predicted world famine by 1977 and the earth’s 5 billion population starving back to 2 billion people by 2025. In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, "The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000. World food production cannot keep pace with the galloping population.”
This is a really good article that I highly doubt you’ll read the entirety of.
[b][i]Science and Public Policy
Our man in science goes to Congress
Ronald Bailey[/b]
…Policy makers must be very cautious about rushing to adopt policies to respond to alleged environmental crises. As physicist Edward Teller reminded us: “Highly speculative theories of worldwide destruction?even of the end of life on Earth?used as a call for a particular kind of political action serve neither the good reputation of science nor dispassionate political thought.”
I hope that I have also made it clear that it is very important to hold people to account for their past predictive failures. Also, have patience, the scientific process and peer review will eventually point us to the truth. Finally, it should be clear that environmentalist advocates keep making the same mistake over and over: they constantly underestimate the power of technology and science, and underestimate the power of markets to solve emerging problems. Thank you for your attention and I would be happy to answer any questions. [/i]
Ahhh, ya just gotta love those environmentalist whackos. The following is a collection of quotes from environmentalist ideologs.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/744607/posts
[i]Environmentalist Wacko Quotes
By John Hawkins
Environmentalist wackos are anti-progress, anti-capitalism, anti-American, anti-poor, make spectacularly incorrect predictions about the climate, and quite frankly some of these people have MORE FRIGHTENING beliefs than al-Queda (I haven’t heard any Al-Queda spokesmen talk longingly about a planet without humans on it). You may think I’m exaggerating, but you won’t after you read these quotes…
Attack Of The Socialist-Luddites
The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state. - Kenneth Boulding, originator of the “Spaceship Earth” concept (as quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)
We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion – guilt-free at last! – Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue
Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth. – Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists
We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects . . . We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land. – David Foreman, Earth First!
Everything we have developed over the last 100 years should be destroyed. – Pentti Linkola
If you ask me, it’d be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won’t give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other. – Amory Lovins in The Mother Earth - Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p. 22
The only real good technology is no technology at all. Technology is taxation without representation, imposed by our elitist species (man) upon the rest of the natural world – John Shuttleworth
What we’ve got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy. – Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)
Kill 'Em All And Let God Sort 'Em Out
I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems. – John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs. – John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing…This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run. – Economist editorial
We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity?s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight – David Foreman, Earth First!
Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental. – Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!
If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS – Earth First! Newsletter
Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets…Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along. – David Graber, biologist, National Park Service
The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans. – Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project
If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels. – Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund
Cannibalism is a “radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.” – Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995
Poverty For ‘Those People’
We, in the green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which killing a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels. – Carl Amery
Every time you turn on an electric light, you are making another brainless baby – Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists
To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem – Lamont Cole
If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized, small, solar-powered – Gar Smith – editor of the Earth Island Institute’s online magazine The Edge
The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States: We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them. – Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund
Wrong Again
The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population. – Reid Bryson, “Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man”, (1971)
The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer – Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (1968)
I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 – Paul Ehrlich in (1969)
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. – Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)
Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion – Paul Ehrlich in (1976)
This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century – Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976
There are ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon… The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. – Newsweek, April 28, (1975)
This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000. – Lowell Ponte “The Cooling”, 1976
If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000…This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. – Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)[/i]
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Third of all, you’re a fucking dumbass who should read more and spout off less.
I’m just saying.[/quote]
Ahahaha!
Well. I guess thats it then, I’ll just pack it in and go home now. I mean, Bradley just hit one out of the damn park with this little gem of a “debate point”. You da man bradley.
Seriously though, I think what you meant to say was this, “Third of all, you’re a fucking dumbass for not accepting these unproven theories of man made global warming at face value who should read more of the right stuff and spout off less about what a tool I am”.[/i]
