Listen people. I know about Sayid Qutb. Not a nice guy. I know about the Hamas pamphlet that first advocated suicide bombings- ?The suicide bombings in the balance of jurisprudence?.All these writings are shitty and evil, NO DOUBT. Do you hear me? acknowledge this. But listen to David Ben-Gurion’s u-turn please- pre-Israel-
“Zionism has no right to harm a single Arab child, even if with this we could achieve all our wishes.” Sounds nice? This guy sounds to me like a real leader of men, a follower of Yeshua Bin-Joseph (not the bullshit apocrypha)
Now, post-Israel’s establishment-
?Jews, having previously subject to the will of non-Jews, (founded) Israel, as the Jewish state, (that) would never submit to constraints imposed by others.?
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So I guess the UN have their work cut out for them! You guys, for one moment, forget that i see reason in the terrorism where you see barbarity. Forget that i see causality in the Israeli militaries bombings and assassinations and fences and confinements and shin bet’s sins. This man is the Abraham Lincoln of Israel. And he’s stubborn as fuck.
Please someone who purports to be knowledgeable, quote something to me, except repeating “terrorism is bad, mmkay?” and what you read in the newspapers about how brutal and primitive the arabs are. You try saying that about black people, or Jews, see what happens. No, you wouldn’t would you, as thats nasty.
Remember that Irgun bombed Jerusalem (the world’s holiest place perhaps) to get their state of Israel. The leader of this group became… Israeli PM Menachim Begin!
I’ll quote Moshe Dayan (Israeli military during the 6 days war, and no pussy)
?They hate us not for religious or racial reasons. They consider us, justly, as western invaders who seized an Arab country to make it a Jewish state. Who are we to blame them for hating us??
This guy is the Colin Powell of Israel. Imagine if Colin said tomorrow “We’re setting up puppet democracies in all of the former Ottoman empire, basically, If you don’t suck our cock (like UAE) and shut up, we’ll demonise you in the press and then fuck up everything you hold dear.”
Someone say something new please
Here’s what you’ve said so far, and what i think of it.
Terrorists are evil, should be punished
AGREE
Israel has a right to exist
AGREE (but conditional on Ben Gurion’s first quote)
Terrorism is war
AGREE (but look at the relative figures, i’ll bet ?100 Israel has killed as many in the last month as all Islamic extremists have killed in the last year. Why? Because America undeniably gives them the means to. Your special forces trained theirs, and you supply them with weapons)
miscellaneous other
Vroom, from your last post-
“Personally, I don’t give a shit who lost what chunk of land for what reason and how badly they want it back.”
I know it’s done now, but would it then have been fair to say that to all the jews of the world in 1947? I don’t believe so. If it’s right for one, it must be in accord. Or it’s hypocrisy.
“The place to go, if there is in fact any place, is the UN.” Okay, sorry, i’ve been talking shit. In fact, it was resolution 242 that demanded immediate withdrawal from all occupied areas of Palestine (in 1967!). Since then, they’ve expanded land appropriation, and settlement in the occupied areas is taking place more than 4X faster than in Israel itself!
And on the effectiveness of the UN-
to quote my essay on the matter
"a 2001 Geneva convention (boycotted by the US and Israel) concluded that Israel?s presence continually constitutes a war crime, and a vetoed UN resolution (by USA, all other 4 security council members were in favour) asserts the rights of those under ?colonial and racist regimes? to ?struggle toward self-determination and receive support?
Israel is proven to be a racist regime- To quote me again- (i quoted someone else first, believe me ;))
“Within the internationally recognised Israeli state, there are a subclass of 850,000 ?Israeli Arabs?, who constitute 18% of its population. Many live in refugee camps throughout the state. They are labelled ?Isareli Arabs? here only for convenience , though it is acknowledged that Israel does not, will not offer these people the same rights and opportunities as Jewish citizens. These people have ?dual marginality? meaning that they are mistrusted by both Israelis and Palestinians alike, who are unsure of their status and allegiance. Non-Jewish Israelis are routinely discriminated against, to clearly show that they are unwelcome guests in Israel, they may not live or work in 92% of Israel, due to the ?1960 Basic Law: Israeli lands? or in all-Jewish cities like Karmiel, which was built on confiscated Arab land.”
any replies? (intelligent please, you can of course defend your views, but don’t just be stubborn, use reason and history)
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