[quote]imhungry wrote:
While I understand the arguments made against the people applauding the womans actions and I would tend to agree with them, the fact that the rapist asked how her daughter was doing, that’s what puts me over the edge in this situation.
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Exactly.
What does one expect when they poke a mamma bear?
I think what she did is very understandable. You hurt her child, there is no telling how many nights the mom had to stay up to comfort her child because of her bad dreams or PTSD. Then not only see the monster who did it but have him come up and ask about your child would have sent any parent over the edge. I wouldn’t even be surprised if this wasn’t the first time he had raped a child, but it damn sure was the last.
[quote]Christine wrote:
imhungry wrote:
While I understand the arguments made against the people applauding the womans actions and I would tend to agree with them, the fact that the rapist asked how her daughter was doing, that’s what puts me over the edge in this situation.
Exactly.
What does one expect when they poke a mamma bear? [/quote]
But we aren’t bears, are we? We are logically-thinking human beings. We are superior to all other animals because we are capable of subjective and contemplative thought.
The article stated that neighbors of the mother claimed she had already suffered psychological damage. We’re applauding an ill-minded woman setting another person on fire.
I guess I’m just missing something here.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Christine wrote:
imhungry wrote:
While I understand the arguments made against the people applauding the womans actions and I would tend to agree with them, the fact that the rapist asked how her daughter was doing, that’s what puts me over the edge in this situation.
Exactly.
What does one expect when they poke a mamma bear?
But we aren’t bears, are we? We are logically-thinking human beings. We are superior to all other animals because we are capable of subjective and contemplative thought.
The article stated that neighbors of the mother claimed she had already suffered psychological damage. We’re applauding an ill-minded woman setting another person on fire.
I guess I’m just missing something here.[/quote]
When someone hurts someone you love, you don’t think logically anymore.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Christine wrote:
imhungry wrote:
While I understand the arguments made against the people applauding the womans actions and I would tend to agree with them, the fact that the rapist asked how her daughter was doing, that’s what puts me over the edge in this situation.
Exactly.
What does one expect when they poke a mamma bear?
But we aren’t bears, are we? We are logically-thinking human beings. We are superior to all other animals because we are capable of subjective and contemplative thought.
The article stated that neighbors of the mother claimed she had already suffered psychological damage. We’re applauding an ill-minded woman setting another person on fire.
I guess I’m just missing something here.[/quote]
True, but we aren’t logical thinking 100 percent of the time. We still have instincts and react to them without conscious thought. Do you ever react without thinking about it first? I know I do.
When it comes to a parent protecting her child, logic can be non-existent.
Sometimes I have to wonder how “superior” we really are. If we were that superior, then we wouldn’t have so many problems in this world.
But we aren’t bears, are we? We are logically-thinking human beings. We are superior to all other animals because we are capable of subjective and contemplative thought.
The article stated that neighbors of the mother claimed she had already suffered psychological damage. We’re applauding an ill-minded woman setting another person on fire.
I guess I’m just missing something here.[/quote]
ok i understand applauding a mentally unstable woman for assaulting and setting aflame to a random individually is well absolute nonsense…however this is much much different
What you say is very simple and also logical…but you are obviously forgetting how emotionally different we are than animals as well the effects our emotions have on our mental state.
This woman’s 13 year old “CHILD” was kidnapped, threatened with her very life, and also raped. She has lived with this for some time and may have even to a certain degree moved on with her life, but then the unthinkable happened, he was right in front of her and not only that, the coward had to taunt her for what his perverse mind saw as an accomplishment.
So we even though we are logically-thinking human beings. And are superior to all other animals because we are capable of subjective and contemplative thought, all of these things go out the window when our emotions overwhelm us. She became vengefull. “Perhaps You Just Don’t Realize The Brutality Human Beings Are Truly Capable Of”
Personal Opinion: I think she was justified in her actions!
How can we assume that she became mentally “unstable” or “illogical” when she decided to kill this man?
I would bet money that she logically made the decision to kill this man, and accept the consequences. I would bet she was thinking as clearly and sanely as any other human being. And I think that even now, she has no regrets, and she does not have any sort of mental problem.
[quote]youngblood52 wrote:
How can we assume that she became mentally “unstable” or “illogical” when she decided to kill this man?
I would bet money that she logically made the decision to kill this man, and accept the consequences. I would bet she was thinking as clearly and sanely as any other human being. And I think that even now, she has no regrets, and she does not have any sort of mental problem.
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Yeah, that’s what people who knew her were saying ahppened after her daughter was raped…
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
youngblood52 wrote:
How can we assume that she became mentally “unstable” or “illogical” when she decided to kill this man?
I would bet money that she logically made the decision to kill this man, and accept the consequences. I would bet she was thinking as clearly and sanely as any other human being. And I think that even now, she has no regrets, and she does not have any sort of mental problem.
Yeah, that’s what people who knew her were saying ahppened after her daughter was raped…[/quote]
Well, I was wondering about this.
If I were here friend or relative, I would probably say she was bat-shit crazy (whether it was the truth or not) if I thought it could help reduce her charges or get her off.
She is not a danger to the general public. Only to those who rape her child.
I also like the Showtime show Dexter.
It’s fun to root for a serial killer.
[quote]Christine wrote:
pushmepullme wrote:
youngblood52 wrote:
How can we assume that she became mentally “unstable” or “illogical” when she decided to kill this man?
I would bet money that she logically made the decision to kill this man, and accept the consequences. I would bet she was thinking as clearly and sanely as any other human being. And I think that even now, she has no regrets, and she does not have any sort of mental problem.
Yeah, that’s what people who knew her were saying ahppened after her daughter was raped…
Well, I was wondering about this.
If I were here friend or relative, I would probably say she was bat-shit crazy (whether it was the truth or not) if I thought it could help reduce her charges or get her off.
She is not a danger to the general public. Only to those who rape her child.[/quote]
Like I’m saying something like this probably happend and she ended up with nothing more than some pyschiatric evaluation, some therapy, maybe some meds and probation!
[quote]SSC wrote:
Christine wrote:
imhungry wrote:
While I understand the arguments made against the people applauding the womans actions and I would tend to agree with them, the fact that the rapist asked how her daughter was doing, that’s what puts me over the edge in this situation.
Exactly.
What does one expect when they poke a mamma bear?
But we aren’t bears, are we? We are logically-thinking human beings. We are superior to all other animals because we are capable of subjective and contemplative thought.
The article stated that neighbors of the mother claimed she had already suffered psychological damage. We’re applauding an ill-minded woman setting another person on fire.
I guess I’m just missing something here.[/quote]
Put yourself in her shoes for a second. You have a precious 13 year old daughter who you love to death. One day, something horrible like this happens to her. Your child is traumatized and very nearly lost her life. The man who committed the crime is sent to jail and serves 7 of his 13 years when you see him in the street again.
He walks right up to you and with an evil grin asks you, “How is your daughter doing?” You know full well this mother fucker is not showing any signs of concern or remorse. In fact, this asshole walks right into a bar to have a few drinks and relax his pathetic self.
Do you:
a) Continue on with your life hoping one day this asshole will get what he truly deserves and being optimistic about some divine judgment laying the smackdown on this fool
or
b) Toast the mother fucker in one way or another
She didn’t do it because she believed she was righteous or any of that. She did it because some dipshit destroyed her pride and joy. Albeit, this is an extreme case, but if you let assholes walk over what your cherish most in life, what does that leave you with?
[quote]youngblood52 wrote:
How can we assume that she became mentally “unstable” or “illogical” when she decided to kill this man?
I would bet money that she logically made the decision to kill this man, and accept the consequences. I would bet she was thinking as clearly and sanely as any other human being. And I think that even now, she has no regrets, and she does not have any sort of mental problem.
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Well for her sake, if she actually was of a clear mind at the time of this, she was probably informed to claim otherwise(no recollection of the events that took place at all) to avoid life in prison for murder 1.
I don’t see how she can have no memory of her actions, but the testimony of the alleged taunting goes unquestioned. Dude spent 7 years in prison and was going to have a drink(what the fuck is that 3 day pass, seriously, how messed up is that?), maybe he still was a piece of shit I dunno, but it seems pretty fucking random.
This was classic. Good for her! I only hope she gets cleared.
Where did she get the gas?
Does she walk around with a thermos of gasoline, just in case?
So, one possibly mentally-ill person burned another mentally-ill person alive. Fantastic.
The real question is, why did the guy only get 9 years, and why was he out of jail on a three-day pass after he was convicted of a violent crime? That just seems stupid.
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
He walks right up to you and with an evil grin asks you, “How is your daughter doing?” You know full well this mother fucker is not showing any signs of concern or remorse. In fact, this asshole walks right into a bar to have a few drinks and relax his pathetic self.
Do you:
a) Continue on with your life hoping one day this asshole will get what he truly deserves and being optimistic about some divine judgment laying the smackdown on this fool
or
b) Toast the mother fucker in one way or another
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Answer B!
Alright! Listen, listen… I’m not saying I don’t understand WHY she lit the motherfucker on fire. I’m human! I can understand how incredibly emotionally distressful it must have been to have had her daughter raped, let alone taunted about it.
What I don’t get… are the people HERE. On a MESSAGE BOARD. APPLAUDING what she did.
There’s a big difference here… or am I just talking to a wall at this point? I’m not meaning to sound pissy, I truly am not understand if you guys are getting what I’m saying.
Again - NOT question her motives. Questioning the people commending setting someone on fire.
The bastard had it coming.
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
Put yourself in her shoes for a second. You have a precious 13 year old daughter who you love to death. One day, something horrible like this happens to her. Your child is traumatized and very nearly lost her life. The man who committed the crime is sent to jail and serves 7 of his 13 years when you see him in the street again.[/quote]
Hard as it may be to believe, not everyone can put themselves in those shoes, maybe that’s part of the disconnect some of us are having here I don’t know… moving on.
Please, just stop. This is the least concrete part of the whole fucking article and yet somehow this is what everyone seems to be hanging their holier than thou hats on.
A 69 year old mentally ill woman with no memory of the events that took place says he taunted her, nowhere does it say “witnesses heard” or “witnesses saw,” it says “allegedly” and “He is said to have called out.” Yet somehow from that you are getting that he walked up to her(I definitely call out to people I’ve walked up to) with an evil grin.
The dude was in prison for 7 years, how the fuck would he even remember what she looked like after seeing her in a courtroom a few times(in fact logically she would’ve never been pointed out).
Oh yea, he also went in and had some coffee, not a few drinks. Fucking coffee, the relaxation tool of the pathetic.
[quote]Do you:
a) Continue on with your life hoping one day this asshole will get what he truly deserves and being optimistic about some divine judgment laying the smackdown on this fool
or
b) Toast the mother fucker in one way or another
She didn’t do it because she believed she was righteous or any of that. She did it because some dipshit destroyed her pride and joy. Albeit, this is an extreme case, but if you let assholes walk over what your cherish most in life, what does that leave you with? [/quote]
Nobody here has defended the dudes actions. None of us arguing the “other side” are saying rape isn’t among the most vile crimes possible, or that you should go taunting people about it(if he indeed did).
But do you honestly not see the issue with the line of thinking that people should not only take action like this, but be PRAISED for it?
Your issues should be with the courts and the prison, for giving this man too light of a sentence and a 3 day pass(seriously, what, the, fuck). Vigilante justice isn’t anything worth praise, chances are you stole something as a teenager, aren’t you glad you still have all your fingers+both hands?
No I’m not comparing theft to rape, but I am trying to give an example of the slippery slope that gets created if something like this goes unpunished, as “awesome” as it might be to take revenge on a loathesome act done to a daughter.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Alright! Listen, listen… I’m not saying I don’t understand WHY she lit the motherfucker on fire. I’m human! I can understand how incredibly emotionally distressful it must have been to have had her daughter raped, let alone taunted about it.
What I don’t get… are the people HERE. On a MESSAGE BOARD. APPLAUDING what she did.
There’s a big difference here… or am I just talking to a wall at this point? I’m not meaning to sound pissy, I truly am not understand if you guys are getting what I’m saying.
Again - NOT question her motives. Questioning the people commending setting someone on fire.[/quote]
Fuck it dude, I applaud the shit out of her, and I HOPE she was clear minded when she did it. My sister told me she got raped and I drove 8 hours to her college with a few buddies. If I found the guy that night, he would have been buried in the woods in a lot of little peices.
There are very few things worth destroying a human being over. Violent rape is one of them. You are arguing about laws, the people here cheering this lady on are doing so based on our instincts of right and wrong. Laws mean shit when your the little girl getting raped. So when good people break the laws to do bad things to bad people I’m all for it.
V