Total of 250gms of carbs. I gain water/weight too soon if the carbs are high. So want to ramp them up gradually.
Makes sense. I’d bump my carbs up for sure later. And see how I feel. Will gradually up protein till 1.5gms/lb by the end of the cycle. Thank you for the reply. I’ll keep the thread updated as weeks go by and I change the diet accordingly.
forever, if supression is not a problem… if it is, dont do streoids, because cycling and then quiting is not worth it, as you will lose 100% of your gains when you are done with steroids, so why do you want some temporary muscle?
i would rather do d-bol, as it is simmilar but less toxic… anadrol is like the major evil in my book 
also, lean gains with deca and anadrol? you will look like a water buffalo…
no point… with test, deca and anadrol you will bloat like a baloon, and you wont get anything out of EQ with that monster bloat cycle you have there. EQ is for slow, steady, quality gains with no water…
Test+EQ is the opposite cycle of what you are going to do… but for your goals(lean gain) i would suggest you actually do Test+EQ not the bloat cycle you picked.
HGH would be best to add with any cycle, but as for other AAS - using too much AAS is a problem because you will have no clue, what is working and what isnt, and if there is some problem, you will not know what is causing it.
Overall, i believe your cycle is a bloatcycle and you wont look like lean-gaining nothing. You will look like Kyriakos Grizzly or whatever his name was. You want to gain 1% bodyweight in a month on anadrol? You will gain 5% of weight in a week on anadrol
For lean gaining and actually looking like it, you could do test-eq or test-eq and stanazolol if you want to add some orals but with your goal of 1% bodyweight a month, no need for stanazolol - you can actually do what you said you wanna do with just test…
or you can do test-tren, and keep kcals at maintenance and recomp - would also give you the effect of lean gaining, you mentioned…
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I agree on the water buffaloe part. That’s the reason I started Deca and Dbol at a fairly low bodyfat percentage. I was aware of the water bloat from Dbol initially, so I took a margin of 8-12lbs in the initial weeks. Which I can already see. Weight shot up rapidly within 3 weeks of 30mg Dbol. With same calorie intake. But I’m sure it will stall at some point. Even with dbol. And later I can focus on increasing calories accordingly. Regarding lean gains, what I meant to say with that was to avoid putting on excess fat which can be manipulated if calories are in check. Water retention is unavoidable, but it cannot be considered as fat gain. I’m okay with a bloated look for a few months, if building muscle is the primary goal. I’d not consider a dirty bulk, as it is not sustainable and I’d gain more fat than muscle which would later make it very difficult during the cutting phase.
Maybe for the next cycle I’d go with EQ, I’ve started with Test, Deca and Dbol already and there is no going back now. The goal is to put maximum muscle mass with minimal fat gain. Bloating is absolutely okay for me.
As this is my 3rd cycle, I’d not go with HGH, also what I’ve heard is that HGH needs to be run longer, for a year at least to see proper results, what I read might be wrong, opinions are subjective.
Haha, yeah, the name is right, I just Googled. I started at a very low body fat percentage. So I hope I do not end up looking like that, let’s hope for the best. Keeping a watch on the calories as carefully as I can.
Agreed, I could’ve done a recomp with just Test but I want to gain some muscle mass, recomp can be done later as well, I’d stay away for tren for at least a couple of more cycles, maybe one or two at least. Depending on how I handle other AAS.
Thank you for your inputs. They’re very insightful.
yes, but thats the beauty of it - you continue running it between cycles and it helps you maintaint the muscle more than just going cold turkey… also you could just blast and cruise use a trt dose on cruise + low dose of GH and not lose anything ever 
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Superb, got to learn something new. Thank you again 
Also, just another question, it might sound stupid, but I still want to ask it anyways, if I adhere to proper training and nutrition, how much muscle mass can I gain (maintain even after the cycle) in the duration of 16-20 weeks? I am not experienced, hence asking, any rough estimate? I totally understand that it depends on many factors, still, an idea would be nice.
TIA
Why you gotta be putting the water buffalo down? They worked hard for them gainz!
To OP, I would ramp up your calories. Your macros add up to less than 2,500 kcal per day. I would start my calories at 3000 at least.
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Lol
Yes approximately to 2400-2600cals. I wanted to increase my calories a bit slow. Before this bulk, I was cutting, went as low as 1650cals. After the cut, I jumped back to 2300cals, stayed there for a solid month, had some water retention, which was obvious after a hard cut. Now at 2600cals. I might up my calories by 150-200 by next week or so. Depending on how I look in the mirror. The water retention with dbol is insane, tho it is at 30mg/day. Good that I decided not to increase the dosage to 50mg. My idea is to stay on dbol for another 3 weeks. Which makes dbol a total of 6 Weeks at 30mg/day. Then cut down dbol, and just stay with deca+test at 500mg per week. I am only confused about the weight gain, as I’d definitely build muscle cz I’m injecting myself with AAS, but I also do not want to add that excess fat. As I’m not that tall, it’d just look shit.
What’s your take on weight gain after stopping dbol after 6 Weeks? There should be a time after I stop dbol, the water retention goes away, right? Also, adding a stupid question, any idea, how much muscle can I gain and actually preserve if I do proper PCT which we discussed above? I know it isn’t fair to give any number, but just a general/rough estimate? Thank you for your reply.
Haven’t taken it, but a lot of guys don’t gain much total weight after the dbol. I think they gain muscle as the dbol water drops. I wouldn’t get to upset if the scale doesn’t keep moving up like it did on dbol.
I would do as you planned and increase calories a bit. See how you do. If you are doing fine, bump them up more. AAS can build a lot of muscle if diet, recovery and training are good.
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Absolutely, I feel the same, what I have gained so far, is just water, because Deca & Test take 3-4 weeks to kick in. I will keep a close look after I’m done with Dbol.
Thanx
Probably another great reason to put the oral at the end. The amount of calories to slowly gain weight has already been determined and tested, the rest of the drugs are saturated, and you know what’s what.
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Alright, makes sense. So say if I stop Dbol after 4 weeks at 30mg (I am currently planning to extend it till 6 weeks) and continue with Test and Deca, and in the end add Dbol again, say at 20mg/day for 2 weeks, That should do the trick? Is there any other way this could be done? If yes, please do mention. Thank you for the reply.
I mean you can do what ever you want. I was just saying for future use maybe or for other first timer oral users reading this
Got it
cant know about you, but my current “cycle” is :
400mg test, 300mg tren, 700mg EQ and 1iu GH twice a day. I gain around 2 pounds in 3 weeks… went from 220 to 260 in 30-35 weeks, i dont know, but that includes sickness and not being able to gain for a few weeks here and there.
i eat 5000-6000kcal a day, my training is powerlifting oriented. 20lbs to go.
ofc, it depends on height, training etc so it is impossible to tell you how much YOU can gain, because it also depends on genetics and mine do suck, i believe most people would gain like me on half the gear definetly… but i think i gain ok, because it is enough time to get used to that weight also - if i gain faster, my lower back gets pumps, i lose speed(im also a fighter) and i walk funny for a week or two
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For your cycle and weight gain ratio, it makes sense. Tren and Eq might not cause water retention much. Going going man! Hope you get BIG!
You seem to be a big guy already! With that calorie intake, I can imagine. I’m a small guy, but fairly at low bf, need to put on some muscle mass. That’s the reason I chose to go the ‘enhanced’ way. Been training since past 6 years, but only 3-4 years of serious lifting and macro tracking. But now I’m consistent with everything. Hope to see good results. Rest assured, will keep things updated for future references, as well as if it helps any readers around here.
I’ve got good lower body, quads, hamstrings, calf, it’s my upper body that lags, I’m trying my best to bring up my back, shoulder and arms to match up with my lower body.
Haha, luckily for me, I haven’t experienced severe back pumps which people claim that they face on Dbol, but I can definitely feel mild pumps even while warming up for deadlifts, but I’d consider pumps to be good. Being natty and being on AAS, I can definitely spot the difference between the pumps in the gym, they’re just insane! And about the walking part, I feel like a tank already, with all that water and weight gain, I do try to walk as normally as I could, but yes, when you gain too much too quick the posture as well as the walking style does change 
Thank you for all the help man. Hope you get the most out of your cycle. And achieve what you’ve aimed for. All the best 
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Week 04 Update
Weight has gone up by 1.8lbs since past week.
I bumped calories by 150. Currently at 2500~ all coming from whole foods. Eggs, chicken, oats rice, potatoes, fruits, veggies, nuts/seeds, whey, yogurt.
Lifts are super good, Squat, Benchpress Overhead Presses, Dumbbell Shoulder Presses have definitely increased. Added LISS cardio this week 250-300 cals.
Thinking to stop taking D-Bol now (have been taking 30mg since the first week) should I continue D-bol at 30mg for another 2 weeks? I don’t feel much of water retention, but it’s there, specifically on the lower abdominal region. No bloating whatsoever, no signs of high E2, Gyno or ED so far, luckily.
Will keep updated by week 5 or 6. Gyms have been shut. Managing with whatever equipments I have at home. Not much, but enough to create hypertrophy. Won’t gonna stop the cycle just cz the gyms are shut. Gonna take full advantage of the lock-down situation and get big & strong.