sports period.
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]mightE wrote:
manchildren
[/quote]
What is a manchildren?
[/quote]
Someone who is old(er) but still does things or acts like a child. Someone who is of age but hasn’t grown up all the way
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]mightE wrote:
I’ll get in trouble for saying this. I usually do.
Things that everyone else loves that I hate:
junk food
Grunge music
drugs (especially everybody’s fucking sacred cow: pot)
repackaged fad routines
the media wars
aggressive, angry driving
people that bother me about their beliefs about politics or religion
arguing online (won’t do it)
dealing with drama queens
bad manners
ethnocentrism and racial obsession
squat rack hogs
motorcycles
chick flicks
nosey neighbors
egotism
Ron Paulbots
manchildren
litter
the third world
That’s all I have time for, but believe me, there’s more
[/quote]
I’m pretty sure that most people hate most of those things you listed.[/quote]
That’s not my personal observation. As a matter of fact I think that several of those things practically fuel American society.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
[/quote]
Rappers are poets who perform vocally to music and therefore are musicians and song writers. Producers are musicians because they make original music. Whether you enjoy it or think their content and attitude is appropriate and worthy of being entitled art is your own opinion. All genres have a predominate type of person that latches on to the style, and hip-hop is no different than any other genre.
Yes, Waka Flacka Flame, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, just money making pop shit for 14-year-olds.
Yes, Pharaoe Monch, Shadd, Brother Ali, The Beatnuts, Wax & EOM, Wu-Tang Clan, the original Mobb Deep, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Playdough, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apathy, are all musicians.
ALSO: Getting into discussion of what “music” and “art” really are never results in anything because it’s all relative. Just say you don’t like hip-hop and you don’t understand it instead of saying it’s not music.[/quote]
Well, yeah, I think you’re wrong. A poet is a poet, not a musician. A hip-hop “producer” who just uses loops and midi files and edits them isn’t a musician.
I do agree that an argument about music/art is a relativity thing, but, no, I stand by my post. I think anyone who can actually play an instrument would agree.
It’s like me going to Home Depot and buying a book case and assembling it and saying I’m a cabinet maker. I’m not.[/quote]
Says everything about your misunderstanding of rap and instrumental production and nothing about about what you’re criticizing. Which is pretty much just like everyone else who says negative things of that nature about hip-hop; ignorance.
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
[/quote]
Rappers are poets who perform vocally to music and therefore are musicians and song writers. Producers are musicians because they make original music. Whether you enjoy it or think their content and attitude is appropriate and worthy of being entitled art is your own opinion. All genres have a predominate type of person that latches on to the style, and hip-hop is no different than any other genre.
Yes, Waka Flacka Flame, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, just money making pop shit for 14-year-olds.
Yes, Pharaoe Monch, Shadd, Brother Ali, The Beatnuts, Wax & EOM, Wu-Tang Clan, the original Mobb Deep, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Playdough, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apathy, are all musicians.
ALSO: Getting into discussion of what “music” and “art” really are never results in anything because it’s all relative. Just say you don’t like hip-hop and you don’t understand it instead of saying it’s not music.[/quote]
Well, yeah, I think you’re wrong. A poet is a poet, not a musician. A hip-hop “producer” who just uses loops and midi files and edits them isn’t a musician.
I do agree that an argument about music/art is a relativity thing, but, no, I stand by my post. I think anyone who can actually play an instrument would agree.
It’s like me going to Home Depot and buying a book case and assembling it and saying I’m a cabinet maker. I’m not.[/quote]
Says everything about your misunderstanding of rap and instrumental production and nothing about about what you’re criticizing. Which is pretty much just like everyone else who says negative things of that nature about hip-hop; ignorance.[/quote]
Strangemeadow probably doesn’t have a creative, let alone musical bone in his body.
And I’m not even a fan of hip-hop (though I do love the Geto Boys).
lol
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
[/quote]
Rappers are poets who perform vocally to music and therefore are musicians and song writers. Producers are musicians because they make original music. Whether you enjoy it or think their content and attitude is appropriate and worthy of being entitled art is your own opinion. All genres have a predominate type of person that latches on to the style, and hip-hop is no different than any other genre.
Yes, Waka Flacka Flame, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, just money making pop shit for 14-year-olds.
Yes, Pharaoe Monch, Shadd, Brother Ali, The Beatnuts, Wax & EOM, Wu-Tang Clan, the original Mobb Deep, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Playdough, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apathy, are all musicians.
ALSO: Getting into discussion of what “music” and “art” really are never results in anything because it’s all relative. Just say you don’t like hip-hop and you don’t understand it instead of saying it’s not music.[/quote]
Well, yeah, I think you’re wrong. A poet is a poet, not a musician. A hip-hop “producer” who just uses loops and midi files and edits them isn’t a musician.
I do agree that an argument about music/art is a relativity thing, but, no, I stand by my post. I think anyone who can actually play an instrument would agree.
It’s like me going to Home Depot and buying a book case and assembling it and saying I’m a cabinet maker. I’m not.[/quote]
Says everything about your misunderstanding of rap and instrumental production and nothing about about what you’re criticizing. Which is pretty much just like everyone else who says negative things of that nature about hip-hop; ignorance.[/quote]
Please enlighten me about rap. I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding of music, as I’m actually a musician who can play, and who understands theory. I also produce bands and singer-songwriters in my studio. I do know how these songs are constructed, ProTools, AutoTune, loops and midi files and harmonizers. Honestly, anyone with half a brain and 40K can make a pro level rap song.
I know, I know, really coming off ass and ass, but some of us musicians are taking a stand as to what really qualifies. Maybe it makes me a purist musical jerk off, but I’m ok with it, I can make music.
But please let me know what I’m missing about rap, I know I don’t sound open, but I’ll listen.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
[/quote]
Rappers are poets who perform vocally to music and therefore are musicians and song writers. Producers are musicians because they make original music. Whether you enjoy it or think their content and attitude is appropriate and worthy of being entitled art is your own opinion. All genres have a predominate type of person that latches on to the style, and hip-hop is no different than any other genre.
Yes, Waka Flacka Flame, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, just money making pop shit for 14-year-olds.
Yes, Pharaoe Monch, Shadd, Brother Ali, The Beatnuts, Wax & EOM, Wu-Tang Clan, the original Mobb Deep, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Playdough, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apathy, are all musicians.
ALSO: Getting into discussion of what “music” and “art” really are never results in anything because it’s all relative. Just say you don’t like hip-hop and you don’t understand it instead of saying it’s not music.[/quote]
Well, yeah, I think you’re wrong. A poet is a poet, not a musician. A hip-hop “producer” who just uses loops and midi files and edits them isn’t a musician.
I do agree that an argument about music/art is a relativity thing, but, no, I stand by my post. I think anyone who can actually play an instrument would agree.
It’s like me going to Home Depot and buying a book case and assembling it and saying I’m a cabinet maker. I’m not.[/quote]
Says everything about your misunderstanding of rap and instrumental production and nothing about about what you’re criticizing. Which is pretty much just like everyone else who says negative things of that nature about hip-hop; ignorance.[/quote]
Please enlighten me about rap. I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding of music, as I’m actually a musician who can play, and who understands theory. I also produce bands and singer-songwriters in my studio. I do know how these songs are constructed, ProTools, AutoTune, loops and midi files and harmonizers. Honestly, anyone with half a brain and 40K can make a pro level rap song.
I know, I know, really coming off ass and ass, but some of us musicians are taking a stand as to what really qualifies. Maybe it makes me a purist musical jerk off, but I’m ok with it, I can make music.
But please let me know what I’m missing about rap, I know I don’t sound open, but I’ll listen.
[/quote]
Unfortunately for your argument, we’re not discussing pro level rap songs. We’re discussing true hip-hop.
You claim you can form instrumentals with the same skill level as DJ Premier, 9th Wonder, The Alchemist, Da Beatminerz, Hi-Tek, Kanye West, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, RZA, Lord Finesse, or even low-level professionals such as Boonie Mayfield and lesser known professional, Stoupe Enemy of Mankind to name my favorite. That makes you a cunt. You can define a musician anyway you’d like, but in the real world, a musician makes music, and to claim any of their art is not music is very dumb.
Rappers aren’t musicians either? Because, they’re just poets. Poets who interact with music, engaging in flow, pattern, and delivery to compliment an instrumental with their rhyme schemes and pacing. In writing, they utilize emotional connection and personal experience to create a thought pattern, and they use their skills to make it sound listenable while over music. And of course, it has to actually be GOOD for others to enjoy it. At least, good enough that their fans or fans of the genre in general will connect with it on some level. Kinda sounds like a fucking musician to me.
Given your previous opinion, you will not change your mind, because you have an idea of rap and hold a claim to “real music,” which takes away from artists who utilize computers in their music making process. Plenty of people think the way you do, and I can see why people think that way. I have nothing against that way of thinking, as it’s ignorance.
I find the biggest problem with hip-hop to be that it evolved into rap-pop VERY quickly. So quickly, that most people who didn’t grow up with hip-hop now think it’s not music, not an art form, not real, not good, full of ghetto trash, full of liars, full of people who don’t know good music, when in reality, Common did a song called I Used To Love Her, which is how a LOT of real hip-hop heads feel about the current state of rap in popular culture.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Please enlighten me about rap.
[/quote]
Outside of Kanye, J Cole’s debut is the best thing to come out of Rockafella since The Black Album.
Jeezy’s TM103 was, because of the wait and caliber of The Recession, a disappointment.
And T.I. recent release doesn’t compare to Paper Trail. But I haven’t given it enough listens yet.
That should be a rough start. 
Texting. I am terrible at texting and I can’t be bothered to correct my many, MANY mistakes.
Cars. I don’t hate them, I just don’t see the appeal. They help you move from one place to another faster. Big fucking deal.
Well, it is, but you get what I’m saying.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Texting. I am terrible at texting and I can’t be bothered to correct my many, MANY mistakes. [/quote]
X2… especially since I still use an old flip phone with old-fashioned number pads. Needless to say, I rarely text. Wanna talk to me, call me! lol
[quote]Cars. I don’t hate them, I just don’t see the appeal. They help you move from one place to another faster. Big fucking deal.
[/quote]
This! I see people with expensive cars that live in shit houses.
In addition:
Watches! It’s a CLOCK that you wear. Clocks are everywhere that you can look at for free, so why spend thousands on a fashion accessory?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Texting. I am terrible at texting and I can’t be bothered to correct my many, MANY mistakes. [/quote]
X2… especially since I still use an old flip phone with old-fashioned number pads. Needless to say, I rarely text. Wanna talk to me, call me! lol
[quote]Cars. I don’t hate them, I just don’t see the appeal. They help you move from one place to another faster. Big fucking deal.
[/quote]
This! I see people with expensive cars that live in shit houses.
In addition:
Watches! It’s a CLOCK that you wear. Clocks are everywhere that you can look at for free, so why spend thousands on a fashion accessory?
[/quote]
I have 13 and 14 yr old daughters and texting is practically the only way I can communicate with them when not in the same room. Calls go to voice-mail but texts get an immediate response.
I can appreciate a nice car but can not see my way to paying for one. It is a tool to me, nothing more. This is kind of funny since I work in an automotive test lab and am surrounded by gearheads and racers.
This is exactly how I feel about watches, it also is a tool. I buy a new Timex expedition every couple of years when the battery runs out because the watch is too beat up to keep in circulation.
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I cant see video at work so…[/quote]
Would you like me to draw you a pictures then? Or can you not see those either?
[/quote]
Hahahaahahahahaahahaha
Keep hating inanimate object store up all that energy and hate.[/quote]
You don’t know the power of the dark side.
[/quote]
True, but with 5 kids, a grand child a business to run and a Mexican wife to keep happy, I will just keep trucking and not hating.
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
[/quote]
Rappers are poets who perform vocally to music and therefore are musicians and song writers. Producers are musicians because they make original music. Whether you enjoy it or think their content and attitude is appropriate and worthy of being entitled art is your own opinion. All genres have a predominate type of person that latches on to the style, and hip-hop is no different than any other genre.
Yes, Waka Flacka Flame, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, just money making pop shit for 14-year-olds.
Yes, Pharaoe Monch, Shadd, Brother Ali, The Beatnuts, Wax & EOM, Wu-Tang Clan, the original Mobb Deep, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Playdough, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apathy, are all musicians.
ALSO: Getting into discussion of what “music” and “art” really are never results in anything because it’s all relative. Just say you don’t like hip-hop and you don’t understand it instead of saying it’s not music.[/quote]
Well, yeah, I think you’re wrong. A poet is a poet, not a musician. A hip-hop “producer” who just uses loops and midi files and edits them isn’t a musician.
I do agree that an argument about music/art is a relativity thing, but, no, I stand by my post. I think anyone who can actually play an instrument would agree.
It’s like me going to Home Depot and buying a book case and assembling it and saying I’m a cabinet maker. I’m not.[/quote]
Says everything about your misunderstanding of rap and instrumental production and nothing about about what you’re criticizing. Which is pretty much just like everyone else who says negative things of that nature about hip-hop; ignorance.[/quote]
Please enlighten me about rap. I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding of music, as I’m actually a musician who can play, and who understands theory. I also produce bands and singer-songwriters in my studio. I do know how these songs are constructed, ProTools, AutoTune, loops and midi files and harmonizers. Honestly, anyone with half a brain and 40K can make a pro level rap song.
I know, I know, really coming off ass and ass, but some of us musicians are taking a stand as to what really qualifies. Maybe it makes me a purist musical jerk off, but I’m ok with it, I can make music.
But please let me know what I’m missing about rap, I know I don’t sound open, but I’ll listen.
[/quote]
Unfortunately for your argument, we’re not discussing pro level rap songs. We’re discussing true hip-hop.
You claim you can form instrumentals with the same skill level as DJ Premier, 9th Wonder, The Alchemist, Da Beatminerz, Hi-Tek, Kanye West, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, RZA, Lord Finesse, or even low-level professionals such as Boonie Mayfield and lesser known professional, Stoupe Enemy of Mankind to name my favorite. That makes you a cunt. You can define a musician anyway you’d like, but in the real world, a musician makes music, and to claim any of their art is not music is very dumb.
Rappers aren’t musicians either? Because, they’re just poets. Poets who interact with music, engaging in flow, pattern, and delivery to compliment an instrumental with their rhyme schemes and pacing. In writing, they utilize emotional connection and personal experience to create a thought pattern, and they use their skills to make it sound listenable while over music. And of course, it has to actually be GOOD for others to enjoy it. At least, good enough that their fans or fans of the genre in general will connect with it on some level. Kinda sounds like a fucking musician to me.
Given your previous opinion, you will not change your mind, because you have an idea of rap and hold a claim to “real music,” which takes away from artists who utilize computers in their music making process. Plenty of people think the way you do, and I can see why people think that way. I have nothing against that way of thinking, as it’s ignorance.
I find the biggest problem with hip-hop to be that it evolved into rap-pop VERY quickly. So quickly, that most people who didn’t grow up with hip-hop now think it’s not music, not an art form, not real, not good, full of ghetto trash, full of liars, full of people who don’t know good music, when in reality, Common did a song called I Used To Love Her, which is how a LOT of real hip-hop heads feel about the current state of rap in popular culture.[/quote]
The statement makes me a cunt? That tells me I’ve either challenged your (musical) values, or you feel hurt or threatened. Sorry Dude, that wasn’t my intention. I just thought being a musician meant you actually had to be able to play a musical instrument or be a composer. By compose I mean like orchestras. I think Webster’s would qualify that.
But what ever, carry on…
this thread needs to mellow out
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
I have 13 and 14 yr old daughters
[/quote]
You poor, poor bastard.
Your house must be like, crazyville, 24/7.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
I have 13 and 14 yr old daughters
[/quote]
You poor, poor bastard.
Your house must be like, crazyville, 24/7.[/quote]
and my dog had his nuts cut off. I’m drowning in a sea of estrogen.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
[/quote]
As a jazz trumpeter, I studied “licks” and “patterns” from all my peers, and could recognize different musicians from these phrases. Some such as Dizzy Gillespie used certain licks so often that you could almost anticipate when they were coming.
Sequencers and arpeggiators do basically the same thing as Dizzy did, and as always the art in music is putting the sounds that you have into the picture which you want to paint. Regardless of which music style or form it is.
As to music only being music when played by real musicians, this is dependant on the style of music you’re listening to. Rap and HipHop which normally is boxed can take on a whole new dimension when performed by 10 musicians live on stage, but it’s just too expensive to pay all those guys…
I also hate people that go out of their way to express how politically correct they are. For example, some dimwit that wears a gay pride shirt for no reason because they just want everyone to not only know they support gay folks, but beat it into your god damn brain. Or the person that lectures you when you repeat lines from Gran Torino because that’s very offensive to some people. The hilarious thing is that these clowns want to carry the flag for anti-prejudice for all but are the first ones to judge. Jeez, fuck you if you can’t take a joke.
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
I also hate people that go out of their way to express how politically correct they are. For example, some dimwit that wears a gay pride shirt for no reason because they just want everyone to not only know they support gay folks, but beat it into your god damn brain. Or the person that lectures you when you repeat lines from Gran Torino because that’s very offensive to some people. The hilarious thing is that these clowns want to carry the flag for anti-prejudice for all but are the first ones to judge. Jeez, fuck you if you can’t take a joke. [/quote]
And as has been said earlier, that works on both sides of the political spectrum.
Too many to count. So I’ll make a list for today:
- People who make a point of talking about how open minded they are. If you have to tell people you are open minded, then you are not fucking open minded. And nobody gives a shit anyways.
- Political correctness.
- Talking on the phone at the dinner table.
- Internet speak.
- People who always ask “What muscle does that work?” while you are doing squats, snatches, cleans, or pretty much anything besides bench presses or curls.