[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
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Rappers are poets who perform vocally to music and therefore are musicians and song writers. Producers are musicians because they make original music. Whether you enjoy it or think their content and attitude is appropriate and worthy of being entitled art is your own opinion. All genres have a predominate type of person that latches on to the style, and hip-hop is no different than any other genre.
Yes, Waka Flacka Flame, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, just money making pop shit for 14-year-olds.
Yes, Pharaoe Monch, Shadd, Brother Ali, The Beatnuts, Wax & EOM, Wu-Tang Clan, the original Mobb Deep, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Playdough, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apathy, are all musicians.
ALSO: Getting into discussion of what “music” and “art” really are never results in anything because it’s all relative. Just say you don’t like hip-hop and you don’t understand it instead of saying it’s not music.[/quote]
Well, yeah, I think you’re wrong. A poet is a poet, not a musician. A hip-hop “producer” who just uses loops and midi files and edits them isn’t a musician.
I do agree that an argument about music/art is a relativity thing, but, no, I stand by my post. I think anyone who can actually play an instrument would agree.
It’s like me going to Home Depot and buying a book case and assembling it and saying I’m a cabinet maker. I’m not.