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Really? I love it when people ask me that. Cuz then I get to bust out my favorite answer.
“It targets the medial-inner flactoids”
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
I also hate people that go out of their way to express how politically correct they are. For example, some dimwit that wears a gay pride shirt for no reason because they just want everyone to not only know they support gay folks, but beat it into your god damn brain. Or the person that lectures you when you repeat lines from Gran Torino because that’s very offensive to some people. The hilarious thing is that these clowns want to carry the flag for anti-prejudice for all but are the first ones to judge. Jeez, fuck you if you can’t take a joke. [/quote]
And as has been said earlier, that works on both sides of the political spectrum. [/quote]
Fine. I hate people that think they have a more enlightened view point because they bought a fucking t-shirt.
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
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Really? I love it when people ask me that. Cuz then I get to bust out my favorite answer.
“It targets the medial-inner flactoids”[/quote]
I usually say “everything” and then quickly begin another set so they’ll quit bugging me. Unless they seem genuinely interested in learning the movement, but those are few and far between.
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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Heavy metal, punk, skunk, death metal, thrash etc any of that ‘‘music’’ [/quote]
Contrarily, I hate hip-hop…I tried to like it, but I am a musician, not a great one by any stretch, but I get what it takes and I hate music made by computers. I don’t hate the use of computers per se, but I hate the fuck out of music devoid of actual musicians. There’s no soul, no spirit, no expression except for the MC. If he’s not spectacular, it’s just shit, to me. I know it’s very popular and all that, but I like my music with musicians in it.
Like when ICE-T did his Body Count experiment. I loved that, real musicians doing real shit. Hey, that actually gives me an idea for a new thread…[/quote]
Hip-Hop and rap isn’t music. Music is played by and made by people. Hip-hop and rap are what I call “audible social commentary/pop art”
I will agree it’s an expression and it’s “sound”, even sound containing chords and melody, but samples, midi files and arpeggiators aren’t music.
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Rappers are poets who perform vocally to music and therefore are musicians and song writers. Producers are musicians because they make original music. Whether you enjoy it or think their content and attitude is appropriate and worthy of being entitled art is your own opinion. All genres have a predominate type of person that latches on to the style, and hip-hop is no different than any other genre.
Yes, Waka Flacka Flame, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, just money making pop shit for 14-year-olds.
Yes, Pharaoe Monch, Shadd, Brother Ali, The Beatnuts, Wax & EOM, Wu-Tang Clan, the original Mobb Deep, Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Playdough, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apathy, are all musicians.
ALSO: Getting into discussion of what “music” and “art” really are never results in anything because it’s all relative. Just say you don’t like hip-hop and you don’t understand it instead of saying it’s not music.[/quote]
Well, yeah, I think you’re wrong. A poet is a poet, not a musician. A hip-hop “producer” who just uses loops and midi files and edits them isn’t a musician.
I do agree that an argument about music/art is a relativity thing, but, no, I stand by my post. I think anyone who can actually play an instrument would agree.
It’s like me going to Home Depot and buying a book case and assembling it and saying I’m a cabinet maker. I’m not.[/quote]
Says everything about your misunderstanding of rap and instrumental production and nothing about about what you’re criticizing. Which is pretty much just like everyone else who says negative things of that nature about hip-hop; ignorance.[/quote]
Please enlighten me about rap. I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding of music, as I’m actually a musician who can play, and who understands theory. I also produce bands and singer-songwriters in my studio. I do know how these songs are constructed, ProTools, AutoTune, loops and midi files and harmonizers. Honestly, anyone with half a brain and 40K can make a pro level rap song.
I know, I know, really coming off ass and ass, but some of us musicians are taking a stand as to what really qualifies. Maybe it makes me a purist musical jerk off, but I’m ok with it, I can make music.
But please let me know what I’m missing about rap, I know I don’t sound open, but I’ll listen.
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Unfortunately for your argument, we’re not discussing pro level rap songs. We’re discussing true hip-hop.
You claim you can form instrumentals with the same skill level as DJ Premier, 9th Wonder, The Alchemist, Da Beatminerz, Hi-Tek, Kanye West, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, RZA, Lord Finesse, or even low-level professionals such as Boonie Mayfield and lesser known professional, Stoupe Enemy of Mankind to name my favorite. That makes you a cunt. You can define a musician anyway you’d like, but in the real world, a musician makes music, and to claim any of their art is not music is very dumb.
Rappers aren’t musicians either? Because, they’re just poets. Poets who interact with music, engaging in flow, pattern, and delivery to compliment an instrumental with their rhyme schemes and pacing. In writing, they utilize emotional connection and personal experience to create a thought pattern, and they use their skills to make it sound listenable while over music. And of course, it has to actually be GOOD for others to enjoy it. At least, good enough that their fans or fans of the genre in general will connect with it on some level. Kinda sounds like a fucking musician to me.
Given your previous opinion, you will not change your mind, because you have an idea of rap and hold a claim to “real music,” which takes away from artists who utilize computers in their music making process. Plenty of people think the way you do, and I can see why people think that way. I have nothing against that way of thinking, as it’s ignorance.
I find the biggest problem with hip-hop to be that it evolved into rap-pop VERY quickly. So quickly, that most people who didn’t grow up with hip-hop now think it’s not music, not an art form, not real, not good, full of ghetto trash, full of liars, full of people who don’t know good music, when in reality, Common did a song called I Used To Love Her, which is how a LOT of real hip-hop heads feel about the current state of rap in popular culture.[/quote]
The statement makes me a cunt? That tells me I’ve either challenged your (musical) values, or you feel hurt or threatened. Sorry Dude, that wasn’t my intention. I just thought being a musician meant you actually had to be able to play a musical instrument or be a composer. By compose I mean like orchestras. I think Webster’s would qualify that.
But what ever, carry on…
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You haven’t threatened or hurt anything. You’re just wrong, and that statement negating the work of artists makes you a cunt, implying similarly that graphic designers are not artists because they use Photoshop. Unfortunately so. I love all music, hip-hop included, and recognize skill inside each field.
mu·si·cian
Noun:
A person who is talented or skilled in music.
mu·sic
Noun:
The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.
The vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way.
You job sounds fun btw, I used to want to do that kind of thing.
At least I didn’t hijack the thread 
Sorry…
[quote]sen say wrote:
Back on topic: Russell Brand.[/quote]
I started a whole thread once called “Most Punchable Face” and he was my first post.
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[quote]mightE wrote:
I’ll get in trouble for saying this. I usually do.
Things that everyone else loves that I hate:
junk food
Grunge music
drugs (especially everybody’s fucking sacred cow: pot)
repackaged fad routines
the media wars
aggressive, angry driving
people that bother me about their beliefs about politics or religion
arguing online (won’t do it)
dealing with drama queens
bad manners
ethnocentrism and racial obsession
squat rack hogs
motorcycles
chick flicks
nosey neighbors
egotism
Ron Paulbots
manchildren
litter
the third world
That’s all I have time for, but believe me, there’s more
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I’m pretty sure that most people hate most of those things you listed.[/quote]
Yeah…and it’s kind of odd because he mentioned at the start of his post that he was aware what this thread was about.
I’m giving up on telling people anymore and will wait and read and jump in when I find one so wacky that it breaks my brain.
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
I also hate people that go out of their way to express how politically correct they are. For example, some dimwit that wears a gay pride shirt for no reason because they just want everyone to not only know they support gay folks, but beat it into your god damn brain. Or the person that lectures you when you repeat lines from Gran Torino because that’s very offensive to some people. The hilarious thing is that these clowns want to carry the flag for anti-prejudice for all but are the first ones to judge. Jeez, fuck you if you can’t take a joke. [/quote]
And as has been said earlier, that works on both sides of the political spectrum. [/quote]
Fine. I hate people that think they have a more enlightened view point because they bought a fucking t-shirt.
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and the converse of this is what I hate.
that these PC conversations go on around me, and I am considered a hater cause I dont enter into them, or defend the … what is the word… disenfranchised? more unfortunate?
whatever, since I don’t enter into to conversation, I am looked upon as a hater.
I hate that, but i guess that nobody loves that, so this comment is not in keeping with the subject of this thread.
for that I apologize~
carry on~
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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
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[quote]sen say wrote:
Back on topic: Russell Brand.[/quote]
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X3… although I heard he’s a nice guy and gentleman.[/quote]
I just dont find him funny, I want to force feed him a fucking burger so he could weigh over 120 pounds. [/quote]
I take back what I had previously said:
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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
Back on topic: Russell Brand.[/quote]
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X3… although I heard he’s a nice guy and gentleman.[/quote]
I just dont find him funny, I want to force feed him a fucking burger so he could weigh over 120 pounds. [/quote]
I take back what I had previously said:
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Well shit this guy should be on Ketosis’s speed dial wait rotary phones dont have speed dial.
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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
Back on topic: Russell Brand.[/quote]
X 2[/quote]
X3… although I heard he’s a nice guy and gentleman.[/quote]
I just dont find him funny, I want to force feed him a fucking burger so he could weigh over 120 pounds. [/quote]
I take back what I had previously said:
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Well shit this guy should be on Ketosis’s speed dial wait rotary phones dont have speed dial. [/quote]
Only if he goes on an iphone smashing spree. Besides, real men throw paparazzi through windows, not their gay little phones.
Did I mention Hybrids? I want to get an old pickup truck with a log for front bumper and run the fuck over every Prius I see. The only reason to have that many batteries in a car is if you are going to power a 5000 watt stereo system…
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Did I mention Hybrids? I want to get an old pickup truck with a log for front bumper and run the fuck over every Prius I see. The only reason to have that many batteries in a car is if you are going to power a 5000 watt stereo system…[/quote]
I’d get one if I had to drive more (I work at home).
Buying gas sucks. My neighbor has a hybrid and he buys gas infrequently… plus, it’s really quiet.
things I hate that everyone else must love?
the songs that the radio stations play over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
things I hate that everyone else must love?
the songs that the radio stations play over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.[/quote]
I think at some point, everyone is in the same boat as you for this one. Just takes longer to play out certain songs for certain people. I think they just keep playing it because of agreements with the music labels. At least I hope so… I’d hope the DJs know noone wants to listen to them any more. But I don’t listen to a lot of stations because of this one thing.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Did I mention Hybrids? I want to get an old pickup truck with a log for front bumper and run the fuck over every Prius I see. The only reason to have that many batteries in a car is if you are going to power a 5000 watt stereo system…[/quote]
I’d get one if I had to drive more (I work at home).
Buying gas sucks. My neighbor has a hybrid and he buys gas infrequently… plus, it’s really quiet. [/quote]
Just watch out if you see a truck with a log for a front bumper in your area…
People getting married and having kids!
I am still pretty young and have friends that are already freaking divorced or seperated. Everytime someone I know gets married or engaged it just pains me as I wait for the inevitable breakup.
And now I have lots of friends or aquiantances having kids. Whats annoying about that is my these people want to tell me about them. I have discovered that way too many child anecdotes revolve around bodily functions and it fucking disgusts me! I have literally had to stop people in the middle of their horrible stories and explained to them that I don’t have children and have no interest in hearing about theirs.
Harsh perhaps?
[quote]Lackzoom wrote:
People getting married and having kids!
I am still pretty young and have friends that are already freaking divorced or seperated. Everytime someone I know gets married or engaged it just pains me as I wait for the inevitable breakup.
And now I have lots of friends or aquiantences having kids. Whats annoying about that is my these people want to tell me about them. I have discovered that way too many child anecdotes revolve around bodily functions and it fucking disgusts me! I have literally had to stop people in the middle of their horrible stories and explained to them that I don’t have children and have no interest in hearing about theirs.
Harsh perhaps?[/quote]
Pretty much what usually happens when children decide to get married. Whenever I find out someone under the age of about 25ish is getting married I feel sorry for them.
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]Lackzoom wrote:
People getting married and having kids!
I am still pretty young and have friends that are already freaking divorced or seperated. Everytime someone I know gets married or engaged it just pains me as I wait for the inevitable breakup.
And now I have lots of friends or aquiantences having kids. Whats annoying about that is my these people want to tell me about them. I have discovered that way too many child anecdotes revolve around bodily functions and it fucking disgusts me! I have literally had to stop people in the middle of their horrible stories and explained to them that I don’t have children and have no interest in hearing about theirs.
Harsh perhaps?[/quote]
Pretty much what usually happens when children decide to get married. Whenever I find out someone under the age of about 25ish is getting married I feel sorry for them.
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yeah i cant imagine knowing i want to spend the next 6 months with a girl nevermind the rest of my life…
fuck.
Men who insist on shaving their faces all the time. If you can’t do a goatee, at least do the 5’oclock shadow now and again.
^Related - The lumberjack look is fine, but your leg hair shouldn’t look like a pair of felt pants.
Clothes made of primarily synthetic fibers. Gym clothes and swimsuits are the only exceptions.
Handbags that have logos all over them. I like nice leather things that are simple. Why pay to be an ad?
^Related - Sweatpants that say “Juicy” or “Pink” across the bum. I recently saw a woman about my mom’s age wearing a pair of “Juicy” sweats. I think when I’m 70, I’ll get a pair that says “Parched”.
Perfect teeth are creepy.
Too much selection - We recently researched cordless phones and realized that Panasonic alone makes about 60 models of the particular type we were looking for. Life is too short. Wouldn’t 10 models be enough? I don’t understand why things have to be so complicated.