Sure. But the same thing happens in any society. Go look at Haiti and the Dominican Republic from the air. The DR has private ownership of forest land. It’s lush and beautiful — and then you get to the border of socialist Haiti and that same forest turns into a deforested wasteland.
Same people, same forest, same island.
Different economic system.
I get it. I was kidding.
Point remains though. The climate change loons NEVER call out the biggest offenders. Sadly. I’m an environmentalist myself.
Yes, they do call-out India and China and other developing nations. Constantly.
And littering and fucking up the environment pisses them right off too.
Seems like you’d have some shared goals you all could work towards together 
I don’t see or hear it but I’ll take your word
Things that piss me off: people making threads about things that piss them off. Fuck those guys!
In that case, you’re hanging out/ hearing from a very progressive group that understands the bigger picture.
I definitely agree with @marine77 that the majority of advocacy is misguided. It’s kind of like the fitness industry. In our bubble, it seems like everyone is onboard with healthy eating and (appropriate) physical activity; however, in the grand scheme of things, the people who care only make up 10-20%.
My guess for climate change is that the number is even lower worldwide. It’s hard to care about what your burning/throwing on the ground or in the river when you are constantly trying not to die instead of “living”.
My fiance is an environmental lawyer, my soon-to-be SIL is the head of the Clean Marina’s program for the Puget sound. Both are heavily involved in clean water environmentalism, and have worked on different parts of the globe.
Trust me, I get an earful. A lot of effort is being put into developing countries. And a lot of effort is being put into clean water efforts here in the states too. These are the people responsible for plastic bag and straw bans here, as well as lobbying and education efforts in those developing countries.
Call me misguided, but this is part of the reason that I believe that economics is at the base of everything
Totally agreed. Which is why education about the issue is so important, and forced changes or sanctions will not go over well.
Forced changes go over fine here because it’s simply an inconvenience.
I don’t think your misguided at all. It’s much easier to care about other things when all your basic human needs are more than taken care of.
I forget the website (something like globalincome.com…might be wrong) that my pastor quoted last week, but if you make over $25k a year, you are richer economically than 98% of the world.
Policies must be different for different countries, but the goal should be the same: minimize environmental impact, and clean up the water.
Of all environmental threats to humanity, I think clean water is #1, followed by anthropogenic climate change. Mostly because clean water is a here-snd-now survival problem… And the oceanic food chain runs the world’s foodchain. Climate change could be catastrophic but its catastrophic effects are further in the future.
Agreed.
When I was younger I ignored the pollution/climate change problems and refused to see them (I think mostly due to the environment I grew up in).
Now that I have moved to Florida the effects of pollution on the water system are seen almost immediately and on a yearly basis. The Indian River Lagoon system is the intracoastal waterway near me and has a problem with algae blooms almost yearly (the year before I moved here, the bloom was so bad the host of “Addictive Fishing” who is from this area did an entire episode on the algae and how it is killing the fishery). Once these waters (even though it is brackish water not fresh) get destroyed it chains into everything else since all the local flora and fauna are dependent on this water system.
It bugs me that I was purposefully ignorant of the issues for a long time.
Please stop spreading blatant and dangerous falsehoods. The plastic breaks down into smaller and smaller pieces called microplastics which are then ingested by marine life (of all sizes) and cause numerous health effects, and killoffs. The great oceanic garbage patches are made up of visible plastics and garbage, but also a much larger area of microplastics that do not support marine life.
Right on
The CCP is the most oppressive regime on the planet. Full stop, no qualifications. They’re building cremation ovens in their death camps. They passed “pure dictatorship” a few exits back.
Have you been to China?
Do refractory plants in China count? Haven’t toured anything touristy. Just went for work. That’s an interesting response though given what’s going on there.
Lots of speculation and hyperbole going on in this post.
More to the point, your plastic shopping bag in the USA probably ends up in a dump, assuming you don’t live in LA where they apparently are too woke to pick up their garbage.
I swear I’m going to ditch my phone…
Bank tells me I am spending too much on non-essentials
YouTube tells me I am watching too much crud
The health app tells me I need to get up and move every other minute.
It is on my case all the time!!