[quote]cmryan_21 wrote:
CT, is it possible to properly use pinch grip deadlifts with weights like these?
It was difficult but I tried to keep only the tips of my fingers on the handle area. I assume wrapping my fingers over the raised area would defeat the whole purpose of the lift.[/quote]
From experience, unless you grab the very tip, no it is not possible to use weights like these effectively.
And even if you grab by the very tip you do not get the same strengthening effect.[/quote]
I thought as much. Damn. Is there another method you could recommend to bring up grip strength? I can still use the fat grip shrug holds.
Edit: Actually, I had another thought. I have some regular iron plates at home that I could use right after my workouts. I generally don’t like to workout at home because I cannot get in the right mindset to lift anything heavy but this may be different. l’ll see how it goes. Thank you CT.
i have recently tried the hook grip some. i have much better grip with my thumb wrapped over my fingers. i have more body mass on the bar.
have you ever heard this before?
[quote]domcib wrote:
i have recently tried the hook grip some. i have much better grip with my thumb wrapped over my fingers. i have more body mass on the bar.
have you ever heard this before?[/quote]
Not really… it is likely just a matter of getting used to the hook grip. I don’t know of anybody who hasn’t a stronger grip when using a hook grip once they are used to it.
i will experiment some more with this. thank you.
maybe try holding a heavy weight for time, and see the difference.
2 questions. apologies if they are dumb questions.
would u use hook grip on pulls?
at my level of hi pulls(which is quite low), how important is it to have a bar with “good” knurling?
the bars at my gym are either smooth, or have just a little bumps(yeah, bumps).
if i buy a bar for the gym, who knows who will be using it when i go. i see the bar u recommended is about 600 bananas. thats a lot.
any feedback appreciated.
ok. today my grip failed.
my gyms bars suck. i always try to find an “acceptable” one.
i like skinny bars with good grips.
what i was able to find today was skinny but smooth(gym was packed)
deads from floor 1 rm @365–grip failed
then i got a fatter bar with some knurling.
deads from pins at the knees 1rm@365–grip failed again
now im pissed off so i grab the ds bar
ds bar from pins at the knees 1rm @510(5 plates) grip was fine. ( i haven’t had 500lbs in my hands in over 15 years)
and all of these lifts had a shrug at the top.
by the way, i was using the reg grip and hook grip on the straight bars. both failed. i’ve been practicing with the hook grip more and more.
so, Allenatore Thibaudeau, (thats “coach” in italian),
is it the bar? or the angle of the ds bar? or both?
and do you have any suggestions?
[quote]domcib wrote:
ok. today my grip failed.
my gyms bars suck. i always try to find an “acceptable” one.
i like skinny bars with good grips.
what i was able to find today was skinny but smooth(gym was packed)
deads from floor 1 rm @365–grip failed
then i got a fatter bar with some knurling.
deads from pins at the knees 1rm@365–grip failed again
now im pissed off so i grab the ds bar
ds bar from pins at the knees 1rm @510(5 plates) grip was fine. ( i haven’t had 500lbs in my hands in over 15 years)
and all of these lifts had a shrug at the top.
by the way, i was using the reg grip and hook grip on the straight bars. both failed. i’ve been practicing with the hook grip more and more.
so, Allenatore Thibaudeau, (thats “coach” in italian),
is it the bar? or the angle of the ds bar? or both?
and do you have any suggestions?[/quote]
(1) The actual Dead-Squat bar that we produce has a very rough knurling… really, you’ll lose your hand before you lose your grip on that one!!!
(2) A smooth bar, even if it is small, will be hard to hold on to, especially with a regular grip AND as your hands become moist from the effort. A hook grip with chalk is much stronger.
(3) The thicker bar, even with a good knurling, willbe harder to hold with both a hook and normal grip… with the hook grip (unless you have very large hands) it will be hard to pin the thumb solidly against the bar… with a regular grip it will be harder to keep your hands from opening up.
Obviously the stronger your hands are, the less likely your grip is to fail. So the obvious first answer would be to add grip work.
Then, get stronger on the hook grip… it requires some practice to get good with it.
And finally, use the smaller bar with chalk even if it is a bit smoother.
thanks, hmmm. i guess Biotest needs to make a straight bar with that knurling.
gym doesnt want chalk, but some guys sneak it in.
when gym is not packed i can grab a “decent” bar. ive done 405 deads from floor before with no problem.
honestly, so far, ive never had grip failure before. even without straps.
so, i will.
do some grip work anyway. it can only help.
practice that hook grip as much as possible. practice, practice, practice.
get some chalk and keep in my bag for situations like today etc.
i believe you recommended the pendlay bar with bearings.
would you say that it is a good “all around” bar. for someone like myself with my capacities?
[quote]domcib wrote:
thanks, hmmm. i guess biotest needs to make a straight bar with that knurling.
gym doesnt want chalk, but some guys sneak it in.
when gym is not packed i can grab a “decent” bar. ive done 405 deads from floor before with no problem.
honestly, so far, ive never had grip failure before. even without straps.
so, i will.
do some grip work anyway. it can only help.
practice that hook grip as much as possible. practice, practice, practice.
get some chalk and keep in my bag for situations like today etc.
i believe you recommended the pendlay bar with bearings.
would you say that it is a good “all around” bar. for someone like myself with my capacities?[/quote]
Dom, the knurling on the Dead-Squat bar is the same as the Eleiko powerlifting (not olympic lifting) bar
I’ve never been able to get my hook grip as strong as my over-under. It’s about inbetween my regular grip and over-under. That was even with a couple months of work dedicated to it. Do you think this could be because of finger strength?
Quite the opposite for me. I built my grip strength from staying away from straps. Never did direct grip strength work. I don’t think I have a huge grip strength but on a grip strength dynamometer I can do 60kg L and 63kg R.
I beat Thibs at something! Soon, you will surpass me greatly with your direct grip training. I like the set up you have, best of luck.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’ve never been able to get my hook grip as strong as my over-under. It’s about inbetween my regular grip and over-under. That was even with a couple months of work dedicated to it. Do you think this could be because of finger strength?[/quote]
Well, the over-under grip is slightly stronger than thew hook grip for most, even those who use the hook grip a lot. BUT the over-under grip is know to be more dangerous (biceps injuries as well as muscle imbalances… one of my clients developped a postural issues because of that grip).
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’ve never been able to get my hook grip as strong as my over-under. It’s about inbetween my regular grip and over-under. That was even with a couple months of work dedicated to it. Do you think this could be because of finger strength?[/quote]
Well, the over-under grip is slightly stronger than thew hook grip for most, even those who use the hook grip a lot. BUT the over-under grip is know to be more dangerous (biceps injuries as well as muscle imbalances… one of my clients developped a postural issues because of that grip).[/quote]
this is SO true! i’ve always used the over/under because it was what i was told and it’s stronger. as i got older, it became more and more painful in the elbow joints and bicep tendons. i learned here on tnation that it wasnt such a good idea and have been using the regular grip ever since. Now i’m doing more weight than i have in many years and have no pain whatsoever. and that’s without straps or hook grip.
