Thibs Q&A April 21-28

Coach,

I’m doing your 8 week bench press program, in the Stop Explosive Bench press…there is a 3x10 with a load of 55%. tempo of 5 sec. eccentric, 2 sec. pause, and then explode up.
I had to lower the weight a tiny bit cause the first set was a bit too much.
But after when I get to 7 reps…8-10 are pretty damn brutal and it isn’t an explosive bench anymore lol it’s actually to failure by the tenth one…is this okay? or does it defeat the purpose?

Same goes with the pushup too…15 sec. hold in down position, then porject self in air. Well on the 5th rep I can’t project myself…just too much of a burn and muscles getting tired.
But is this alright?

Thanks!

Coach,

In the overload day of the beast program, it’s say to do a negative and partial on the deadlift, but can it be safe to do it on squat instead? half squat and one negatif reps at the squat? I know that it’s not a good choice for someone who follow the beeast program (it’s not an overall exercice) but for someone who only want to get stronger on the squat.
How much % of my 1Rm should i try to do those negative and partial?

Thx

[quote]donaldlucas wrote:
Coach,

I am in desperate need of help. Been working out for 2 years now , gained several pounds clean muscle (eliminating ALL JUNK, processed foods, all sodas and high sugar beverages) basically I live day-in-day-out CLEAN .

My problem is why I’m having a hard time getting defined. My biceps seem like they are filled with water (puffy) , my muscles are not defined/cut. Is this an estrogen problem???

Thanks Coach ![/quote]

Much simpler than that. You still carry too much fat. There is what I call a “muscle no man’s land” where you are not lean enough to look cut/defined and not fat enough to look ‘fat’.

As long as you are in that ‘zone’, even if you lose fat, you will not look cut. Normally this zone is from 12-18% body fat.

You might have dropped somewhat in that zone and are still in it. Even though you gained muscle and lost fat, it’s still not enough to have a hard look.

Most people grossly underestimate the amount of fat they need to drop to look defined.

"Only at this point will the body build up actin/myosin components triggered from a training effect. This takes time and an understanding of creating supercompensation to energy stores within the cell. Once this happens and cells are properly hydrated, only then will there by a signal for higher concentrations of IGF 1 and 2, which will then, combined with other growth factors, create a bigger cell.

What all this means is that concentrating on always ‘burning off’ nutrients, neglects proper storage essential to real growth. Most dieting bodybuilders will tell you they’re always hungriest on off days of training. This is essential biofeedback.

Hunger means two things ? fat is being burned (hence the hunger signal), and the body is in “need” of something. This is a very simplistic extrapolation, but true none the less. On the Cycle Diet, my clients and athletes are instructed to take their cheat days, or spike meals on off days from training, and the reason is simple. It’s so they can eat MORE, and store MORE.

Remember, once a fat burning metabolism has been established, then energy goes to where it’s needed most. With proper training stimulus, this means nutrient supercompensation within the cells, which is exactly what the aim should be. Eating less on off days misses this entirely because once again the focus is too micro analytical. "

Do you agree that it is better to eat more on off days?

[quote]Big_Phil wrote:
Coach,

In the overload day of the beast program, it’s say to do a negative and partial on the deadlift, but can it be safe to do it on squat instead? half squat and one negatif reps at the squat? I know that it’s not a good choice for someone who follow the beeast program (it’s not an overall exercice) but for someone who only want to get stronger on the squat.[/quote]

Yes, I’ve used it in the past. But it can’t be a full ass to the grass negative squat since it will be dangerous to catch the bar on safety pins and try to get under from that position. You should do the negative to parallel level only.

[quote]Big_Phil wrote:
How much % of my 1Rm should i try to do those negative and partial?
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I wouldn’t go too heavy. Start with 95-100% of your 1RM and lower it AS SLOWLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. Perform gradually heavier sets until you can’t lower the bar in 5 seconds.

Before answering your question, here is a segment from my 2nd book (Theory and Application of Modern Strength and Power Methods) dealing with this topic:

''Dynamic effort method

This method relies on lifting sub-maximal loads with a high degree of acceleration.

The dynamic effort method allows for maximal motor unit recruitment through an increase in intramuscular coordination and increased motor unit activation via a potentiation of the central nervous system. There is also some evidence that explosive (high acceleration) exercise increases the rate of fast-twitch fiber innervation, leading to an inverted motor recruitment pattern.

Normal motor recruitment pattern: The slow-twitch fibers are recruited first and as the intensity of the movement and the demand on the muscle increases, the fast twitch fibers enter into the action. This is known as the ?size principle.? According to the size principle, the smallest, most oxidative (ST) fibers are recruited first and the most powerful fibers (FT) are recruited last.

Inverted recruitment pattern: During explosive exercises (especially those of a ballistic nature) the activation threshold of all the motor units is brought to the same level. This means that the signal to activate the motor units occurs at the same time for all types of fibers. However, since the nerve impulse takes less time to innervate the fast-twitch fibers than the slow-twitch fibers (60ms vs. 140ms), these FT fibers enter into action first, hence the reverse order of activation/recruitment. This form of recruitment is also found in maximal/supra-maximal eccentric training and EMS training.

Dynamic effort methods offer a lot to most athletes who need explosive strength and speed.

We will discuss three different applications of the dynamic effort method:

I. Olympic lift variations
II. Regular lifts with a maximum power load (45-65%)
III. Ballistic lifts (10-25%)

Olympic lift variations

The Olympic lifts include the competitive lifts (snatch, clean & jerk) as well as their derivatives. When talking about Olympic lifts we should use a three-word term:

First word: position of the catch/reception of the barbell (muscle; power; squat; split)
Muscle = catch with no bending of the knees
Power = catch with a slight bending of the knees (less than 90 degrees)
Squat = catch with an important bending of the knees

Second word: general type of lift (snatch; clean; jerk) Snatch = lifting the bar from the starting position straight to overhead
Clean = lifting the bar from the starting position to the shoulders/clavicles
Jerk = lifting the bar from the shoulders to overhead

Third word: starting position (floor; hang; blocks)
Floor = the bar starts on the floor
Hang = the bar starts above or below the knees, with the lifter holding it there
Blocks = the bar starts on blocks leaving it above or below the knees

Note: An athlete who doesn?t plan on competing in Olympic lifting should stick with the easier variations of these lifts:

Muscle snatch from the hang
Muscle snatch from the blocks
Power snatch from the hang
Power snatch from the blocks
Muscle clean from the hang
Muscle clean from the blocks
Power clean from the hang
Power clean from the blocks
Muscle jerk from the clavicles
Power jerk from the clavicles
Split jerk from the clavicles

The Olympic lifts are explosive by nature. This means that to complete the lift you must produce a lot of acceleration. Because of this, it is possible to use a relatively heavy load and still produce a high level of power. The Olympic lifts are a rather unique animal. For one thing, few training exercises have such a mystique surrounding them as the Olympic lifts. But these lifts are nothing mysterious and their method of action is not a secret. We know that the Olympic lifts work and we know why they work.

  1. The Olympic lifts have a very large power output. The body improves what it is trained to do, train to produce a lot of power and you?ll get better at producing power! The following table by Dr. Mike Stone illustrates the superiority of the Olympic lifts when compared to ?regular? strength exercises in terms of peak power production:

  2. The Olympic lifts require that you synchronize several muscle actions to produce one fluid, powerful motion. While the specific technique of the Olympic lifts cannot improve your skills in sport movements, these lifts can develop your general capacity to solve complex motor tasks. This means that becoming efficient in the Olympic lifts will improve the efficacy of the nervous system to create well-timed motor patterns, and this general capacity can be transferred to sports.

  3. The Olympic lifts develop strength and power in muscles that are key in most sports: quadriceps, hamstrings, calves, glutes, lower back, traps, and arms.

  4. The Olympic lifts teach an athlete to receive an outside force and how to absorb it. This is critical for optimum sport performance and can also help reduce the risk of on-field injuries due to external forces.

  5. The Olympic lifts are fun to do! Once learned properly they are among the most enjoyable and fulfilling strength exercises you can do. There is something special about hoisting a heavy weight from the floor to over your head in one powerful motion!

  6. The Olympic lifts are a great way to develop CNS efficacy and to train the CNS to recruit high threshold muscle fibers, which are normally hard to stimulate. When an Olympic lifting program is combined with ?regular? strength training or bodybuilding training, the CNS stimulating effect of the Olympic lifts magnifies the gains brought on by the other two types of training.

  7. Of special interest to women, the Olympic lifts are not exercises in which you feel a localized pump. As a result, women will not have the impression of bulking up. Obviously this is just a subjective and psychological benefit, but if it keeps them interested in training, it?s all good!

Regular lifts with a maximum power load (40 -65%)

The Olympic lifts are not the only exercises that can produce a lot of power. By using an optimal load and maximal acceleration with regular exercises such as the bench press and squat, you can get the same power enhancement benefits as with the Olympic lifts.

Over the past few years there has been a significant effort from the scientific crowd to establish just where that optimal percentage is situated. The varying types of study designs and different fitness level of the test subjects led to somewhat conflicting results.

For example Siegel et al. (2002) found that the greatest power output was between 50 and 70% of 1RM for the squat and between 40 and 60% for the bench press.

Baker et al. (2001) found that power output was maximized with loads of 55-59% in the squat (a bit lower than the Siegel study), but power output was still very high in the 47-63% range. They also found that the load maximizing power output in the bench press was 46 to 62% with an average peak occurring at 55%.

These two recent studies offer a somewhat conflicting conclusion compared to the earlier investigations in regard to peak power, which supposedly occurred at around 30% of 1RM.

It is because of this discrepancy, as well as the success of the Westside Barbell lifters (who are using 40-60% to develop power), that I decided to conduct a little study on peak power. Using the Fitrodyne unit by Tendo Sport, I decided to establish the ?power curve? and ?velocity curve? for strength lifts. In doing so I tested several athletes (hockey players, football players, powerlifters, a sprinter, and an Olympic lifter) on the bench press using loads ranging from 10% up to 100% of their maximum. Velocity as well as power output was recorded at each percentage.

General findings

  1. Peak power occurs at 45-55% on average.

  2. Submaximal power (90-100% of max power) is produced with loads ranging from 40 to 65% of maximum.

  3. Maximum velocity is reached with the lightest tested load (10%); it is quite possible that it could be even higher with lighter loads.

  4. Submaximal velocity (90-100% of max velocity) is produced with loads ranging from 10 to 25% of maximum.

  5. There is an inverse proportional relationship between velocity and load; the higher the load, the slower the bar speed.

  6. The power curve is parabolic; at the highest velocities, the load is too low and at the heaviest loads the velocity is too low to lead to a large power output.

From this curve we can conclude that to train for maximum power when using regular strength lifts we should use a load ranging from 40 to 65% of one?s concentric maximum, lifting the bar as fast as possible.

Ballistic lifts (10-25%)

Ballistic refers to an actual projection of the source of resistance. The source of resistance itself can either be from an outside source (e.g. medicine ball) or from the athlete?s bodyweight. The intensity of these exercises varies from very low (simple bounding drills) to very high (loaded absorption drills, high impact plyos). These exercises are the ones in which the acceleration factor is the greatest in relation to total force production. These exercises have a great impact on the nervous system because of the high accelerative demands. While low intensity ballistic exercises (bounding drills, basic jump training, light medicine ball throws, etc.) are not very stressful (and thus can be used quite often, mostly as a good specific warm-up tool), high intensity ballistic exercises (depth jumps, weighted jumps, heavy medicine ball throws, loaded absorption drills) should only be used infrequently (once or twice a week) for a limited period of time (4-6 weeks). The latter exercises (high intensity) do carry a great potential for power improvement, but they are very stressful on the nervous system and the tendons. It is also important to understand that the training effect of the high intensity ballistic exercises is delayed, meaning that the improvements in the capacity to produce power are best seen 2-3 weeks after the last stimulation.

In the power curve presented earlier, we see that speed is maximized with this method. This training method can be used to train speed of movement, but has little benefit for improving strength. When training in this zone (10-25%) it is preferable to project the load or body into the air, because with regular lifting the deceleration phase will be much longer, which will have a negative effect on speed. Exercises such as jump squats, bench throws, and medicine ball throws are best suited for this training zone.

[quote]RustBeltGym wrote:
Coach,

Are there any specific benchmarks or tests that you use to determine when a person needs to start implementing dedicated power work as opposed to focusing on just getting “stronger.” e.g. to determine if the person still does not yet have the strength base to make the power training maximally effective[/quote]

I think that it’s more of a subjective/qualitative analysis. It is prettty obvious when someone is strong but slow or fast but weak. The best approach is always to put more emphasis on what is the weakest link in the chain.

If someone is superstrong, but has zero explosiveness then explosive training should be increased. If someone is explosive but relatively weak (normally this is a genetic thing and these guys have the greatest overall athletic potential) then strength work should pre-dominate.

[quote]RustBeltGym wrote:
And for developing strength-speed, what would you rate as your top choices for this goal? I see a lot of back and forth about Olynpic lifts and their variations with some coaches loving them and others avoiding them, so I’d be interested in when you might decide to leave these out *if at all) and what you’d use in their place.

Thanks, coach!

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The stuff I posted in this regard should help.

Specifically in regard to the olympic lifts, if someone has a good olympic lifting coach OR has good technique, these lifts are hard to beat to build power.

However, without proper coaching, if the technique is learned wrong not only will they not be effective but they can be dangerous.

[quote]rasturai wrote:
Coach,

I’m doing your 8 week bench press program, in the Stop Explosive Bench press…there is a 3x10 with a load of 55%. tempo of 5 sec. eccentric, 2 sec. pause, and then explode up.
I had to lower the weight a tiny bit cause the first set was a bit too much.
But after when I get to 7 reps…8-10 are pretty damn brutal and it isn’t an explosive bench anymore lol it’s actually to failure by the tenth one…is this okay? or does it defeat the purpose?

Same goes with the pushup too…15 sec. hold in down position, then porject self in air. Well on the 5th rep I can’t project myself…just too much of a burn and muscles getting tired.
But is this alright?

Thanks![/quote]

You are either weak or not very explosive by nature.

When speed decreases, lower the bar weight to 30-40%.

For the push-ups, do them inclined (see picture)

Hi coach.

I’m struggling to find one of your posts where you mentioned a training strategy you used while losing fat.

I remember it was something like this:

3 times a week.

AM Strength-like training, the big 3, squat, bench and DL.

PM Muscle group split: legs, chest and back, shoulders and arms.

Am I right? Beacause I can’t find this post and it was really interesting.

Thank you for all this help and knowledge you share.

hi Coach

High intensity Cardio (intervals) helps to lose fat via an increase in total energy expenditure and you can use it to raise your resting metabolism…

lactate-inducing sessions raise growth hormone output after the completion of the workout…

they seems to be the same, as metabolic result and demand in glycogen, to traditional high intensity bodybuilding workouts.

What’s about the main difference in these types of training when fat loss is the purpose?
Why are not high volume/frequency bodybuilding workouts enough to lose fat ( maintaining Heavy Lifting + Low intensity cardio)?

performing intervals in “day off”, is it as stressful as a hard lifting workout?

Im considering if and how to pair intervals with bodybuilding sessions (lift as first)or to perform it on my days “off”… or switch immediately to low intensity cardio after strength training ( i can train 4-5 times per week and i’m starting the highly restrictive Low Carb Diet).

thanks a lot

Coach-

just wrapping up v-Diet beginner lift program and moving to transition. i still have fat to lose and am looking at a million different programs/articles, just read your how to design a damn good program 1 & 2 and it just seemed like information overload! can you point me in the direction of a good program i can stick to? i feel overwhelmed reading all this great info. thanks for any help.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
rasturai wrote:
Coach,

I’m doing your 8 week bench press program, in the Stop Explosive Bench press…there is a 3x10 with a load of 55%. tempo of 5 sec. eccentric, 2 sec. pause, and then explode up.
I had to lower the weight a tiny bit cause the first set was a bit too much.
But after when I get to 7 reps…8-10 are pretty damn brutal and it isn’t an explosive bench anymore lol it’s actually to failure by the tenth one…is this okay? or does it defeat the purpose?

Same goes with the pushup too…15 sec. hold in down position, then porject self in air. Well on the 5th rep I can’t project myself…just too much of a burn and muscles getting tired.
But is this alright?

Thanks!

You are either weak or not very explosive by nature.

When speed decreases, lower the bar weight to 30-40%.

For the push-ups, do them inclined (see picture)
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Coach,

Yeah I’ve only done high intensity low volume, low reps. So more of these reps/sets and methods are really shokcing my body.
I’m actually benching 390 right now at 204…I’m 19 years old. I just think cause I’ve always done high intensity and very low reps always this is something new to me.

Let me correct myself…ALL reps are very explosive off my chest, esp. with that light of weight except 8-10. It suddenly just drops off out of nowhere when I reach 8-10 it’s quite the struggle. Everything else is explosive for stop explosive bench press, and I have good speed coming off the chest.

And thank you for the recommendation of doing the pushups incline. I felt my muscles were getting too tired. 1-3 I could really blast myself off the floor, But 4 and 5 I got up but not near as much.

Thanks a lot CT, I’ll tell you my progress if I see you around on the forums!

Coach,

I am currently on a program for another 3 weeks before being able to start your “destroying fat” workouts. I am having pretty good results strength wise with what I am doing now so I didn’t want to switch it yet.

right now I’m doing 4 workouts a week. 2 upper push and 2 upper pull/lower days with low/moderate volume. I am also doing low intensity cardio 3x a week for 30 min.

I also have “gym” at my school 2x a week which is basically warm ups followed by ultimate frisbee (basically soccer/handball with a frisbee)

Until I start the Destroying Fat protocol is there anything you would change/add with this to make it more effective?

Thanks

Hi CT-

I’ve been reading a lot about leptin and carbs and I have been following a low carb approach for a long time - only carbs were berries (1-2 servings in the am peri-training) one scoop Surge pwo and veggies. I stayed very lean (< 10%) for 2 years. I also ate a lot of protein.

Now I am getting soft for no reason. I eat the same. Do you think that increasing carbs could significantly increase my metabolism and health?

Also, I have never gone over 1 scoop Surge pwo at the weight of 110 lbs. Could I speed up muscle growth with more Surge? Or can your muscles only grow so fast and trying to pump more into them faster not help?

Finally, you talked in an earlier post about burning up muscle tissue without proper workout nutrition. For the last 3 years i have worked out after having whey and taking BCAAs. I reload with Surge after. I have found I get rather loopy and unfocused if I have the Surge during and I also think I gain fat with it.

But shoudl I work to try to change this? or is it okay as long as I have the BCAAs and Surge after?

Hi Thibs,

This site is often all about foods that fuel, or power foods. Information is somewhat limited about a particular drink so I am here to ask your wise-ness.

Kefir

A yogurt tasting drink, fermented using either the powder or grains of Kefir. Storebought Kefir is mass produced with the powder starter, but I am looking to make my own Kefir at home using real Kefir grains and milk.

-Do you think the drink is all it’s hyped up to be (aka super probiotic elixir of rejuvenating health)?

-When is the best time to consume Yogurt or Kefir …and what other foods are utilized/digested well alongside?

Finally, what are your overall opinions of Kefir in terms of function vs hype.

Thib,

I was hoping you might be able to help give me some general parameters for two specific situations.

Firstly, is daily sled work a good way to simultaneously increase muscle activation and also increase daily energy expenditure without adding extra stress to the body? If so, what types of parameters are optimal for daily work of this nature?

Secondly, if improvement on a lift through frequent practice (possibly even daily) is desired, is there a “sweet spot” in terms reps short of failure where you can perform many sets throughout the day (if this is an option) and derive the benefits of frequent exposure without adding the need for more recovery time on top of regularly scheduled lifting sessions?

p.s. kudos on your latest DVD and manual. As usual it is top-flight stuff.

Hey Coach,

What kind of conditioning would you generally recommenced to someone whose goal is strength/power but they would like to be in decent shape and maintain a lean physique without interfering with their strength/power gains? Thanks!

[quote]SouthsideMayhem wrote:
Firstly, is daily sled work a good way to simultaneously increase muscle activation and also increase daily energy expenditure without adding extra stress to the body? If so, what types of parameters are optimal for daily work of this nature?[/quote]

It’s great for overall conditioning, building work capacity, losing some fat, improving muscle endurance and facilitating recovery (if done at a low intensity).

However I don’t seen sled pulling as a good way to improve high threshold motor units activation for the simple reason that unless you are sprinting with the sled, or pulling near maximal weights (both of which then become CNS-intensive methods which cannot be trained every day) you will not really recruit or stimulate these fibers.

[quote]SouthsideMayhem wrote:
Secondly, if improvement on a lift through frequent practice (possibly even daily) is desired, is there a “sweet spot” in terms reps short of failure where you can perform many sets throughout the day (if this is an option) and derive the benefits of frequent exposure without adding the need for more recovery time on top of regularly scheduled lifting sessions?
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There aren’t any exact parameters since it will heavily depend on several factors such as nutritional status, work capacity, recovery capacity, rest of your training program, etc.

But some things to consider:

  1. In most lifters (very advanced lifters would be the exception) any lift above 80% will have basically the same recruitment pattern as a near-maximal or even maximal lift, this is especially true if compensatory acceleration (trying to move the weight as fast as you can) is used.

  2. Lifts above 90% are really draining on the nervous system, even if the set is not performed to failure.

  3. The close a set is to failure, the more draining it becomes on the CNS.

  4. Frequent practice is meant to improve motor learning. To maximize this type of improvement you must perform as many SPECIFIC and TECHNICALLY PERFECT reps as you can without creatining neural fatigue.

So the number of lifts per day and the frequency of the lifting practice will be influenced both by the load used and closeness to failure.

It is thus best to avoid going close to failure with loads closing in on 90% but you can get closer to failure when using sets nearer to the 80% mark.

As a rule of thumb, this is a good starting guideline:

80-84% = stop 2 reps short of failure (normally sets of around 5 reps are a good starting point)

85-87% = stop 3 reps short of failure (normally sets of 3 reps are a good starting point)

88-90% = limit yourself to sets of 1 rep

Hey Coach,

Just a quick question, when someone is designing their own diet, should they count grams of Fish Oil as a part of their total fat allowance.

And the same for adding Amino acids i.e Glutamine, Glycine etc, should we count the grams as protein calories and a part of the daily caloric intake?

Thanks.

LR

Hey coach,

I am doing cardio to lose weight two of the days I’m doing HIIT, and the other 2 im riding a bike at a low to moderate intensity. should i be doing this before or after my workout?

Hey CT!

Massive fan here, thanks for being so humble as to answer everyones questions, I’m sure you got tons of more profitable stuff to do.

Question:
What is your view on tribulus (Tribulus terrestris) supplementation for increased testosterone and strength gain? Clinical research indicates that it pretty much does nothing besides a dismal increase here and there in libido.

Thank you so much.